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YouTuber Claims 15-Inch MacBook Pro With Upgraded Core i9 Chip is Severely Throttled Due to Thermal Issues

newnew777 said:
So I need to upgrade my MBP....pretty much can't wait any longer. I use it almost only for music production using Logic Pro and LOTS of plug-ins, soft synths/samplers and audio tracks.

My current Late 2013 15" MBP (4 core i7 2.6Ghz with 16 Gig RAM and I TB SSD) is starting to bog down too much.

I'm trying to figure out if I "play it safe" with the new MBP 15" 2.2Ghz with 32 Gig RAM and 4TB SSD if I will notice a very sizable difference in performance, which would appear to my very basic Apple techy knowledge, to come from the 32 gig of RAM and the two extra cores.

Also, not sure if the extra GHz from the 2.6 6 cores version (....and a bit extra heat on the negative side...) would make that much difference or not for Music/Audio production use.

Thx for the help
Mike
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Is your current model slowing down? It seems like you have good specs there
 
macpcf said:
Did you have any trouble with the keyboard? I am enjoying the 2015 keyboard. I tested the new keyboard in an apple store; although i don't like it that much, i can live with it. What I am worried about is the keyboard failure issue. After all, the only reason for me for preferring apple over other windows products is their quality control and macos. Don't want to spend over 2k if i cannot use the product for at least 5 years.

I am seriously considering dell xps 15, but it seems that they have lots of quality control issues with coil whine, screen ghosting, and some throttling as well. It seems like its difficult to get a good laptop without issues. I am doing further research on this. Lg gram does not have 32gigs model as far as I know. With my personal experience macbook pros runs without issues for a long time (lots of my colleagues use pre 2016 models without any issues; of course you can be unlucky and get a faulty model), which tempts me to buy a new macbook pro
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I ****ing hate it. This replaces a 2015 5k iMac so I mainly use my mechanical keyboard, but when I use just the keyboard... With that said the touchpad is best in class. TBH, I hate all laptop keyboards (with the exception of my Alienware), but this just sucks. I'd suggest buying a mechanical keyboard anyway for home use
 
DanBig said:
The issue is the race to the bottom of costs! Apple wants to keep its profits high so they are cutting every corner they can. A lot of this has to do with the management team putting the shareholders interests in front of their customers! It gets back the analogy which comes first? the horse or the cart. Apple as of late seems to be putting the cart in front! If you build for your customers the dollars will come in on their own! Trying to pull the wool over their eyes won't fix things and in the long haul it will sour your relationship. If you want loyal customers you need to treat them with respect and honesty!

While I maybe railing on Apple here, Apple is not the only one thats doing this! The last few years there seems to be a push across all industries to cow-tow to the majority stock holders to create higher stock prices with high profit numbers. There is a limit here on how high you can go and not loose your customer base. While Apple has the cash to weather the storm it still not good for us who depend on their gear.

Does this sound familiar? The Wall Street Crash of 1929 was also riding high in a similar way just before - The signs of Greed!

Apple management needs to shake the fantasies out of their heads and right this ship of theirs. Get back to the basics! Give your customer base what it needs not the fantasies swirling in your heads. Pro's need ports not dongles! Pro's need performance not throttling! Pro's need serviceable systems not throw-a-ways! OR systems that cost 1/3 the cost in a single repair.

And lastly, the customer base does not want band-aid solutions and extended warranties based on the day of first shipment, but the date of when they purchased it! And, when you have a extended warranty issue email and/or text notification to the person and a means to update your notification DB (use a QR code within About This Mac as the means to connect and validate) so they know!
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Totally agree with you. Lately apple's direction is weird. Looks over function and other gimmicks are deviating pro users from their fanbase. But i don't think they will change their direction.
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Zellio said:
I ****ing hate it. This replaces a 2015 5k iMac so I mainly use my mechanical keyboard, but when I use just the keyboard... With that said the touchpad is best in class. TBH, I hate all laptop keyboards (with the exception of my Alienware), but this just sucks. I'd suggest buying a mechanical keyboard anyway for home use
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Yeah thats what i thought. Thanks for the info!
 
macpcf said:
Is your current model slowing down? It seems like you have good specs there
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Yes, on some of the heavy soft synth intensive tracks.

I have to admit it's strange to see my specs form 2013 and see what's available in 2018...I would assume there are multiple tech advances that have happened since 2013 that will equate to MUCH better MBP performance for my music production that would be evident from just the additional 2 cores and extra 16 Gig of RAM.....at least I hope!

Thx
Mike
 
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GuruZac said:
Does this mean Apple outright lied about the function of the new keyboard design or does this just so happen to conincidentally work well for preventing particulates from entering in to the keyboard??
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At unveiling they told journalists that it wasn't meant to reduce that problem, only reduce noise. Unfortunately there is now apparently leaked internal documents saying otherwise. My guess would be they didn't want to publicly say they had improved it in that way for damage control/PR reasons, and also because of the lawsuits around it. That part is conjecture though.

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/19/apple-confirms-2018-mbp-keyboard-prevents-debris/
 
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Feenician said:
At unveiling they told journalists that it wasn't meant to reduce that problem, only reduce noise. Unfortunately there is now apparently leaked internal documents saying otherwise. My guess would be they didn't want to publicly say they had improved it in that way for damage control/PR reasons, and also because of the lawsuits around it. That part is conjecture though.

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/19/apple-confirms-2018-mbp-keyboard-prevents-debris/
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Not good. But I’ll wait for the dust to settle before making any conclusions. :cool:
 
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Someone got mugged. 10,000 USD on a machine that throttles most the time to 2.2ghz, get better for performance on a machine half the price...
 
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This was posted by Barefeats on Twitter while running Cinebench:
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https://twitter.com/barefeats/status/1020026457702084609

Barefeats is very respected in the Mac community and you've most likely seen his benchmarks at http://barefeats.com/

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I should have mentioned this is for the 2.6GHz i7 6-core.
 
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AndyMacAndMic said:
Do you use final cut on your iPhone a lot?
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You should probably read the entire conversation. Geromi912 is saying that it's not the software's job of manually throttling but if you read my first post, I mentioned Final Cut as a great example of handling video rendering.

Anyways, if you're talking about CPU utilization, 4k60 video recording utilizes the device's CPU just as much as FCPX would.
 
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farewelwilliams said:
You should probably read the entire conversation. Geromi912 is saying that it's not the software's job of manually throttling but if you read my first post, I mentioned Final Cut as a great example of handling video rendering.

Anyways, if you're talking about CPU utilization, 4k60 video recording utilizes the device's CPU just as much as FCPX would.
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Ah indeed. I missed that ;)
 
farewelwilliams said:
Geromi912 is saying that it's not the software's job of manually throttling but if you read my first post, I mentioned Final Cut as a great example of handling video rendering.
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It isn't the software's job. The fact that FCP might have slapped a bandaid on doesn't obviate Apple from their responsibility in this clusterf**k.
 
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I can see a silent firmware update coming that changes when the fans kick in at higher speeds in order to try keep the cpu cooler for longer.....
 
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Frank Dalton said:
It isn't the software's job. The fact that FCP might have slapped a bandaid on doesn't obviate Apple from their responsibility in this clusterf**k.
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Exactly. This thing is thermally a **** up, you cant “software fix” this.

They need to recall them...

If they undervolted it or got a special underclocked i9 chip like the iMac Pro (where they use a different variant of xeon that produces 3,0ghz instead of 3,3ghz like off the shelf variant), the thing might have performed fine and people would still be happy. At least happier.
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Ifti said:
I can see a silent firmware update coming that changes when the fans kick in at higher speeds in order to try keep the cpu cooler for longer.....
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Thats a band aid. They need to firmware update it to run at lower voltage and clocks. But then they would be false advertising...
 
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Ploki said:
Exactly. This thing is thermally a **** up, you cant “software fix” this.

They need to recall them...

If they undervolted it or got a special underclocked i9 chip like the iMac Pro (where they use a different variant of xeon that produces 3,0ghz instead of 3,3ghz like off the shelf variant), the thing might have performed fine and people would still be happy. At least happier.
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Thats a band aid. They need to firmware update it to run at lower voltage and clocks. But then they would be false advertising...
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A tad of arrogance here... *you* for sure have thermal issues ;)

Kidding a bit, but dude, you’re in no position to give them orders or make such assertions. Think about it 5sec. If people actually return those Macs, Apple will get it. You seem to be standing for *facts*, well ok, has the software update you already disregard been released and tested?
 
ek3 said:
A tad of arrogance here... *you* for sure have thermal issues ;)

Kidding a bit, but dude, you’re in no position to give them orders or make such assertions. Think about it 5sec. If people actually return those Macs, Apple will get it. You seem to be standing for *facts*, well ok, has the software update you already disregard been released and tested?
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Physics. These chips are good but way too hot, you can run the fans faster or underclock it... but on a 5k machine this is an unacceptable oversight.

I’m in no position? Well i (and apprently plenty others) are in position of not ordering one, so thats the position im taking?
 
Ploki said:
Physics. These chips are good but way too hot, you can run the fans faster or underclock it... but on a 5k machine this is an unacceptable oversight.

I’m in no position? Well i (and apprently plenty others) are in position of not ordering one, so thats the position im taking?
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Yes, and rightfully so. Do not order it if you are not convinced, I support that. But do not judge an unreleased solution (if they even choose that path), especially if you are all about facts. (Btw I have a PhD in Physics)
 
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ek3 said:
Yes, and rightfully so. Do not order it if you are not convinced, I support that. But do not judge an unreleased solution (if they even choose that path), especially if you are all about facts. (Btw I have a PhD in Physics)
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Well, then you probably know how heat works. They released this either insufficiently tested or undercooled, there’s really no other way around it, it doesnt achieve advertised speeds out of the box. Neither turbo nor base

I still wish they used nerfed chips like imac pro 10-core does, would fit the chassis better.
 
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All Apple will probably do is release a firmware update that removes turbo boost
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Ploki said:
Well, then you probably know how heat works. They released this either insufficiently tested or undercooled, there’s really no other way around it, it doesnt achieve advertised speeds out of the box. Neither turbo nor base

I still wish they used nerfed chips like imac pro 10-core does, would fit the chassis better.
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You'll get your 'nerfed chips' in a firmware update, They'll probably lower base speeds to 2.2 ghz and remove turbo boost and call it a day. In the end these chips will barely be faster then last gen
 
Ploki said:
Well, then you probably know how heat works. They released this either insufficiently tested or undercooled, there’s really no other way around it, it doesnt achieve advertised speeds out of the box. Neither turbo nor base

I still wish they used nerfed chips like imac pro 10-core does, would fit the chassis better.
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It looks like so. My personal usecase does not involve CPU+AVX2+GPU, only CPU+AVX2, so I’ll have my own testing, and decide whether or not I switch to an i7. I’m lucky enough I can use the cloud for my bigger computations. I don’t think it’s the case for video editors like most of you here. Your video editing usecase actually looks bad as of this early release, I understand the frustration, but as we have read, many expected so, and it’s hopefully not the end of the story.

Going to bed now ;) Cheers!
 
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