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Touchscreen was an obvious idea, Apple didn't invent it, just made a very well implemented version of it. If someone else produces a similar device they are not copying Apple, they are simply following a technology trend as its the best tech we have at the moment to do the things we want.

I think this new Zune looks smart, has some nice features and if it can play the games off Xbox Live (It would have to be of a similar gameplaying standard as a Gameboy Advance for most of them) then it looks appealing.

Not everybody wants to own an iPod.
 
a little too late...?

I'm all for more iPod rivals & all, competition is always good. I'm mean, if it weren't for OS X & Linux, windows would just be getting to XP??? Slight exaggeration I know, but it shows what competition can achieve.

The only problem I'm finding is that its going to be hard to achieve the outcome of having a product with a better UI, although its hard to better something without imitation. The only thing you can better is the design, but then, your not really bettering the design, just putting your flare on a standard design. I mean you look at all the iPod rivals out there. They all imitate the iPod range in some form. The only one that didn't was the Sony Digital Walkman, & I don't need to bring that into the debate as, well, it flopped like most of Sony's innovations.

I'm looking forward to having a play with it but it's going to take something special to steer me away from Apple products. I'm not a fanboy, just took to them better than any other gadget/ product I've ever brought. The closest thing I've looked & thought twice about was the new Palm Pre, but even then the functionality doesn't compare to the iPhone for me.


Good luck Microsoft, but your too late with the Zune. Just stick to your software & OS along with the Consoles.

But then I may be wrong....
 
Once again Microsoft take someone else's idea, put a clock in it and call it progress.

As opposed to Apple taking somebody elses ideas, removing a lot of functionality, adding some shiny pretty and call it progress?
 
IPod Killer?.....Nah

Right now, I'd say the new Zune being a must have gadget is a push. Depending on what pictures or vids you saw, you either love or hate it. I've never had a Zune. I've use other non-Apple players that I have enjoyed. I'll wait until the new Zune and iPod/iPhone come out before passing judgment. Radio? I don't live in market where I care for radio. New zune meh. Marketplace? Need to see what is has. Being objective, I have 16 iPhone/iPod Touch apps even though I don't either yet. Double meh. Zune offering DRM free music? I might be wrong but Apple has DRM free music now. If you hate DRM take it up the music companies. So triple meh. I didn't hear the music or see the device play video. So wait and see. I will give a thumbs up for the screen. One question, will it die because leap time? One feature that would be really awesome from either Apple or MS for their platforms would be the ability to sync your libraries on different machines. I have iTunes on all my computers, PC or Mac. I can't plug my iPod from my Mac into my PCs. It would be really cool if the software could talk to all my devices and sync up. But considering that MS does give a sh** that I can't use a Zune on a Mac. A universal sync feature probably isn't happening anytime soon. One more thing...does anyone have a clue as to the size of storage on Zune-HD? So to the point, without any definitive specs I thimk it's too early to say that the new Zune is going to be a smash. YOMV.
 
As opposed to Apple taking somebody elses ideas, removing a lot of functionality, adding some shiny pretty and call it progress?

Hmmm, Have you tried the zune software?

"removing a lot of functionality, adding some shiny pretty and call it progress"

Seems to describe zune to a T.

  • No full screen playback,
  • Worse playback than media player
  • dead space getting in the way of media information
  • no right clicking to open files in better players
  • trouble recognising file names
  • compatibility issues with older machines
  • can't scrub through a movie to find the scene you want....

Yes its prettier than iTunes - but at a crippling cost to the substance.

Even if there were no iPods and i owned a zune - i would still use itunes to manage my media - because it just works.
 
IPod Killer?

Right now, I'd say the new Zune being a must have gadget is a push. Depending on what pictures or vids you saw, you either love or hate it. I've never had a Zune. I've use other non-Apple players that I have enjoyed. I'll wait until the new Zune and iPod/iPhone come out before passing judgment. Radio? I don't live in market where I care for radio. New zune meh. Marketplace? Need to see what is has. Being objective, I have 16 iPhone/iPod Touch apps even though I don't either yet. Double meh. Zune offering DRM free music? I might be wrong but Apple has DRM free music now. If you hate DRM take it up the music companies. So triple meh. I didn't hear the music or see the device play video. So wait and see. I will give a thumbs up for the screen. One question, will it die because leap time? One feature that would be really awesome from either Apple or MS for their platforms would be the ability to sync your libraries on different machines. I have iTunes on all my computers, PC or Mac. I can't plug my iPod from my Mac into my PCs. It would be really cool if the software could talk to all my devices and sync up. But considering that MS does give a sh** that I can't use a Zune on a Mac. A universal sync feature probably isn't happening anytime soon. One more thing...does anyone have a clue as to the size of storage on Zune-HD? So to the point, without any definitive specs I thimk it's too early to say that the new Zune is going to be a smash. YOMV.
 
TO APPLE: please listen to what your customers (AKA cash flow) want. How flippin hard is it to put a radio tuner (or HD radio in microsofts case) in an iPod?! I never, ever thought I'd say this, but... Kudo's to microsoft :(

I don't want a radio in my iphone/ipod. I can't remember that last time I listened to the radio.
 
Tell you the truth quite a few. Hardware is fairly robust and does not really fail that often. Big time when you remove a spinning hard disk. I was just last week working on some computer from the 80's. Let me tell you it was weird having to use DOS and try to move around that way but still was able work on the old OLD word perfect program.

So much for that counter argument.

Regarding the Reality Distortion Field and Apple products vs PC products' longevity...

Ummm, The Apple ][ & ][e pre-date ALL PCs!

Yes, life BEFORE even MS-DOS. Imagine writing a book that way.

Word Perfect didn't even exist let alone Microsoft Word!

Can you say Apple Writer?

Probably pre-dates the existence of half if not 3 quarters of all the people posting here, possibly even you! :)

Point - Counterpoint.

NEXT...
 
radio? The only time i would really miss a radio is for festivals and events, but then i would think about battery usage and buy an FM radio from the poundshop - amusingly shaped like a shuffle.

Its not something i would use - and would be one less useless feature i had to carry around.

see 'pages v word' for bloated software that throws everything at you so you can't find the features you use most.

I could also mention the point if a 'HD' feature in a gadget with a smaller screen than an iphone.

How many times would i want to share photos and videos with someone on a big screen telly where they would notice the difference between dvd quality and HD?

Yet its another function adding cost or bulk.

Its good that M$ is addressing the accusation on "no taste", but if you have tried the zune software - you will know too well that making something superficially pretty is easy, but it can have drastic effects if you forget the substance.
 
Excellent! I hope it forces Apple to include an OLED display in their new machines and to step up a bit with their hardware.

But beautiful? Really, with those screws on the back? I'd go for one but-

-Portable IE
-Horrible back
-No iTunes or Mac sync (rendering my 300gb library unusable on it)
Are really pushing me from even considering one.
 
See this looks really nice. Obviously it will fail miserably but still.

It proves Microsoft can actually make a decent product when inundated with competition.
 
Fail. I think I'll stick to the iPod touch or iPhone. Big deal with this Zune HD. It copies some of the UI effects of the iPhone but just has basic features such as music, movies and photos but no apps.
 
It makes no difference.

The Zune simply won't be enough to challenge the iPod/iTunes paradigm. Apple's ecosystem is not only well-implemented and ridiculously popular with consumers, it's also branded effectively by a company whose goals and focus can be clearly defined in only a few words - or rather, some key buzzwords that have been attached to the Apple name for years now. It's easy to pinpoint Apple's priorities and what the company cares about. It's a simple mission statement.

MS just doesn't have the image or that "we did it right the first time" reputation. MS is a corporate provider trying to play to the consumer. Except people can see through that. Too obvious.

The Zune might be a terrifically engineered product, but no one believes that Microsoft is capable of that kind of innovation that speaks to the right brain, and Apple has leveraged that famously in its ads.

The $30,000 to fill up your iPod" campaign by MS was a failure out of the gate. Subscription services have never been popular, and never will be, much less MS' oddball way of approaching it. Other than Spotify, which you still can't get on mobile devices, they seem to have largely missed the point.

And when we get the next-gen iPhone shortly, most of this will have hardly mattered. The iPhone as an all-in-one device that is proving wildly capable, and is gradually pushing everything else into obsolescence. Zune HD = no apps, no games, no momentum, nothing that we haven't seen before . . . while all the developers are flocking to develop for Apple's devices. All the talent is headed for Apple country, and it's paying off for both developers and users. Big time.

Users, pundits, developers, have already placed the iPhone and iPod Touch squarely against the DS and PSP, two devices which are rapidly losing their mindshare to Apple. And frankly, the more we see the comparisons, the more those two devices look like one-trick relics. No mean feat. Quite an accomoplishment by Apple. Mindhsare is ALL. And Apple actually has the goods to get it.

As long as Apple remains in the picture, and as long as they stick to their priorities and carry forward their philosophy about how they envision everyday people interacting with technology, no one else really has a chance.
 
It runs WindowsCE. It probably has around 10 times the number of apps and games the AppStore has.

They may regret giving it a small screen then.

Going so widescreen looks great for movies in the cinema but, in a handheld a narrow screen will just make sudoku a bit of a strain. :D
 
It looks so 80's :(

I was thinking the same thing. Does it remind anyone else of a Delorean? The case design is more retro cool than futuristic cool imho.

I do like the UI though, but if I tried to cram my 30 apps on a Zune, I could see problems with a UI that isn't simple and streamlined like an iPod/iPhone.

BTW, there seems to be a misconception that using an OLED screen is innovation. Going to a touchscreen from a wheel/button navigation is innovation. OLED is just a technological upgrade, like going from 16GB to 32GB. This is why the Zune could be considered an iPod copy. However, MS has always been about maximum compatibility and hardware features, hence the HDMI and HD radio (and since when has apple ever added a feature because another company has it?).

And with a grainy, out of focus video, low resolution, no reports on battery life, and many reports on low material lifetime, the verdict is still out on whether or not this is truly an upgrade over LCD.

This thing shows a lot of promise though, and I hope MS can deliver come release time;)
 
That showed absolutely nothing I wanted to actually see. I want to see the Marketplace or the Live store, whatever its called. I wanted to see the browser and how it is implemented, etc. I don't care about the music part and the photos part, to me that is an afterthought when buying a handheld with a large screen. If they try to "wow" me with the music UI, I will be very disappointed. That is so 2005.
 
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