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2.6GHz PowerMac G5s at MacWorld SF 2004?

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Re: Somehow you could forsee that it would not have happend today

Originally posted by ionas

(whats the reason to release information on tuesday not on monday?)
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Because Monday's newspapers do not cover breaking news. Sunday Night deadline for newspapers, no one will see your release. Small business sections, special features etc. Much of Mondays paper is printed on Saturday and Sunday.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: in the future...

Originally posted by john123
You tell one fib about where you went to school and the whole world starts tracking your movements... :)

Good to see you too. This place is huge, which is why I don't post very much...but here's hoping for new G5s this month!
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yeah back in 2000 and 2001, there were probably just a dozen of us on here everyday doing posts even though there were hundreds of registered members and we all got to know each other

i admit there are a lot of people who are here these days...one section which is populated by a small number of posters who are there nearly everyday is the political sections but the heated arguments there keep out most macrumors members

i have never been a demigod, but i bet that section has a tiny cadre of members who talk to each other everyday
 
jef

john123.... could swear ive heard that name before.

Political section poses as a nice decoy for heated debaters/flamers. I must say these boards are alot more placid nowadays.

G5 at 2.6 would simply crush an Athlon, IBM seem to have alot of momentum at the moment, and its good for apple, unlike moto. Who on earth could have foreseen that a year ago, eh? ;)

I must say though, surely an under clocked 970fx would be heat efficient enough to fit inside a powerbook, after all, thats probably the section of products that need it most given the rising sales of laptops. And the current SDR FSB, 1.33Ghz, ATA100 setup is a little dated, to say the least. Think about it, you could underclock a 2.6 by 800mhz and it would be a good laptop cpu.
 
Re: jef

Originally posted by V.A.Toss
john123.... could swear ive heard that name before.
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i think he was one of the early adopters in the original round of flamewars

...along with sparky and kyla, or something to that effect:p
 
Originally posted by bannedagain
Since AMD and IBM are working raather closley with each other in their SOI process, I wounder if We can expect to see jumps in the AMD64's clock speed arround the time of the next G5 speed bump.
Or even 90nm AMD64's/Opterons
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AMD is licensing tech from IBM, so it's probably more accurate to say AMD is working rather closely with IBM.
That's beside the point though. AMD has released a 2004 roadmap already and they are looking at a max of around 2.6 (maybe 2.8) by the end of the year. They will be moving to a new pin out later that should boost the performance of the 'single channel memory' Athlon 64s that are out now.
It looks like IBM will be the raw performance king for 2004. Like anything, however, it will be faster in some things and slower than others. In Q3 of this year, you'll be able to find stuff that runs faster on Athlon, stuff that runs faster in Intel, and stuff that runs faster on the G5.
 
Tuesday's 1/27s the magical day. Agreed that NOTHING will be special about a Saturday, in terms of announcements. Sure it's a date, but Steve said in the KeyNote that 2004 is the 20th anniversary of the Mac. Hello, 2004 is a YEAR. Granted 1/24 is special, but Apple won't blow an announcement on a day that only Apple people know...when he can unload it on the computing universe. A lot can happen in a year. We'll still be thrown a bone, on a Tuesday as usual. I bet we see only a "Happy Birthday" on Saturday, on the website. The G5 upgrades must be ready to go (2, 2.2, 2.4). That would leave one solid round of upgrades to go before Steve takes us to 3GHZ heaven, just when he promised he would (summerish).

Just my three cents.

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u got a good point there

maybe you are right and we will "only" see 2.0 2.2 and 2.4 or even only 1.8, 2.0 and 2.3 / 2.4

there will then be space for a 2nd release with 2.2 2.4 2.6 or 2.3 2.5 2.8

just some ideas...

sleep well :)
 
Originally posted by the_mole1314
Woah, 2.6ghz G5. Um, wow. I really don't know what to say. WOW!
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LOL. That would be quite a scene...I can already imagine the opening scene from Ghostbusters, only the cards are replaced with 1u G5's. Hahaha. (ouch!)
 
I think there are two key dates, the actual anniversary of the Mac (the 24th) and the Superbowl (Feb 1st). Yes, I realize that the Superbowl isn't an Apple event . . . but has anyone else noticed that the incentives some retail establishments (like Amazon) are offering on current products expire Feb 1st?
 
Originally posted by ffakr
AMD is licensing tech from IBM, so it's probably more accurate to say AMD is working rather closely with IBM.
That's beside the point though. AMD has released a 2004 roadmap already and they are looking at a max of around 2.6 (maybe 2.8) by the end of the year. They will be moving to a new pin out later that should boost the performance of the 'single channel memory' Athlon 64s that are out now.
It looks like IBM will be the raw performance king for 2004. Like anything, however, it will be faster in some things and slower than others. In Q3 of this year, you'll be able to find stuff that runs faster on Athlon, stuff that runs faster in Intel, and stuff that runs faster on the G5.
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AMD also outsources Athlon production to IBM.
 
Re: Re: jef

Originally posted by jefhatfield
i think he was one of the early adopters in the original round of flamewars

...along with sparky and kyla, or something to that effect:p
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This is true -- but that was back when:
(a) people were not posting NEARLY as much (making the flamewars more amusing and less of an annoyance); and
(b) it was clearly for enjoyment, like a spectator sport. Just like pro wrestling, it was for entertainment value across the board -- no one really got "mad" at anyone.

Ahh those were the days....:rolleyes:
 
g5 chip ghz speeds

is it possible to clock the g5 2.3 or 2.5 or 2.7 ghz?

what about the bus ghz speed then?
which multiplier?

if not we can see:

1.8 2.0 2.2
Most unlikely; there will be no new arguments to buy a g5, cause 2.2 isn't much more than 2.0; maybe they will do this and another bump before the 3ghz bump will follow after, but imho even that is most unlikely.

1.8 2.0 2.4
this is very likely because you wont need to clear stock and there is still a huge bump between 2.0 and 2.4;
they can go for big profits on the 2.4 line because it is just absolutely faster.

1.8 2.2 2.6
most unlikely cause they will make sure all 1.8 are out while they will keep some 2.0 until the release date so that they got any kind of computers in stock.
further 2.6 does not over a big bump to 3ghz anymore.

2.0 2.2 2.6
likely if they consider 2.6 to be low enough to release a 3ghz model later. nice step from the middle to the highest model (good profits possible)

2.0 2.4 2.6
not likely because there is a bigger gap between the low and middle model compared to the middle and high mode.

2.0 2.4 2.8
this would be a blast! cause the biggest model would be so damn fast, not likely because the step to 3ghz, which will be a huge marketing event. wont be big enough

1.8 2.2 2.8
(same as above)

2.0 2.4 2.8
(same as above)

(no i didnt list all combinations)



so this is what i expect (most at top),
if cpu only works with even numbers:

1 - 1.8 2.0 2.4
2 - 2.0 2.2 2.6
 
Re: g5 chip ghz speeds

Originally posted by ionas

2.0 2.2 2.6
likely if they consider 2.6 to be low enough to release a 3ghz model later. nice step from the middle to the highest model (good profits possible) [/B]
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I think that when they will shift to 3Ghz they may directly go beyond 3.0 and maybe release a 3.2 Ghz as the fastest model. But I don't expect them any sooner than August-September 2004. I think going beyond 3.0 might be necessary at the time of release to compete with the possible 4.0 Ghz pentiums (Prescott) that will be out or would soon come out at the time.
 
yeh

i thought about going beyond 3ghz directly as well.

still i think apple knows how to do it now, they learned and they will go for 3ghz as fast as possible

this means they wont release a 3.x+ model but only a 3ghz model.

i can even imagen that they will take the actual 970fx at 90nm to 3ghz if they need to.

this said i would expect 2.4, 2.6 and 3.0 cpus.

(and release 3.5 ghz on 975/980 basis in january or march 05)
 
ah and about the prescott

apple made clear that they dont go for the pure mhz speed race but that they go for the performance race (with the comparison of a dual 2.0 g5 to a fual 3.0 ghz xeon at the WWDC)

if the 3ghz beats the prescott they wont need more speed.

and atm the prescott got much problems - more heat and less performance at the same speeds compared to the old p4's.
 
Sure, Apple will move to 3 Ghz as soon as possible, but it's not only up to them. IBM plays a major role in this too. Officially the 970fx only goes up to 2 Ghz now. Although I think this is just IBM being a bit conservative I don't think they can jump to 3 Ghz right now. That would be a step of a whole Ghz. That's really too much. Also if they would go to 3.5 Ghz 975/980 somewhere around Jan-March 2005, there would be too much time inbetween and the update would not be significant enough.

I expect the max speed to be 2.6 Ghz. But I wouldn’t be surprised if it won’t go beyond 2.4 Ghz in the coming update.
 
What the big deal?

I would be _shocked_ if the current G5 could not be clocked at 3GHz.

I keep a P4 machine in my stable. The first one was a 1.6GHz model that lived at 2.4GHz the entire time I owned it (bought 2.5 years ago now). The current is a 2.4GHz that has lived at 3.36GHz for five months now. These chips are made with the same 130nm process but _lack_ SOI tech with reduces electrons 'bleeding' between circuits and being to 'noisy' to clock at high frequencies.

IBM and Apple can pull 3GHz out when ever they want. And they _don't_ need the 970fx, 975 or 980 to do it.

If Apple would let me play with a machine's BIOS I could prove it.

ALSO, I believe the 1.6 G5 is fully capable of being clocked at 2GHz with the right voltage and cooling.

A lot of chips and ram come through my house every year, and I can say with CERTAINTY that the major fab's binning policies are insane. Most chips they bin at lower frequencies will run their entire life at much higher frequencies.
 
intel is a specialist at running speeds at hight fequencies

their dies are optimized for that.

i dont know about the ppc970 in that case; while it scales better than the power4 (regarding mhz) i wont compare it to a p4 that was build just to REACH MHZ and not to give performance.

and further you said that most of the chips will run at much higher frequencies without a problem.

"most" is not okay - nearly all may be okay.

if 3% of the cpus break after 1 year use - imagen how expensive this is too apple.

while i can imagen that the actual ppc970 can go up to 2.4 ghz (just because ibm once said that ;p afaik) i cant imagen 3ghz.

the 90nm 970fx might go up to 3ghz, but not much more.

and about cooling: yes you can use BIGGER fans that STILL SPIN FAST.

then your system will sound like a "propeller" airplain.

;)

you really want that?
 
Re: intel is a specialist at running speeds at hight fequencies

Originally posted by ionas
their dies are optimized for that.

i dont know about the ppc970 in that case; while it scales better than the power4 (regarding mhz) i wont compare it to a p4 that was build just to REACH MHZ and not to give performance.

and further you said that most of the chips will run at much higher frequencies without a problem.

"most" is not okay - nearly all may be okay.

if 3% of the cpus break after 1 year use - imagen how expensive this is too apple.

while i can imagen that the actual ppc970 can go up to 2.4 ghz (just because ibm once said that ;p afaik) i cant imagen 3ghz.

the 90nm 970fx might go up to 3ghz, but not much more.

and about cooling: yes you can use BIGGER fans that STILL SPIN FAST.

then your system will sound like a "propeller" airplain.

;)

you really want that?
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mhz for mhz, the p4 is definitely slower than our g5, but overall, i hate to say it, the pc world still has us beat

i would like to say that we are faster than them, but we are still in catch up mode

i think the indroduction of the g5 for us was a great step forward in the right direction catching up with the faster pc world

i think if intel and amd stay bottlenecked around the 3+ ghz area, we have a chance to catch them if their fastest is a 3.2 ghz and ours reaches out at dual 2.6 ghz in that period

but being well funded and in competition with each other, i think the next jump in processor speed into unknown areas is going to go to intel or amd...it will most likely take a couple of years to catch up...fully... to the pc world

that being said, i prefer using macs with their easier operating systems and user friendliness, over the pc world's offerings

if i had to go pc only, i would go sony but since i have a choice, i boot up with my ibook and g4 the most and the two pc machines i own usually stay unplugged:p
 
lol but sony is big crap ;p

worst support and service, medium product quality, high (mostly) product design.

i would go for HPQ biz models or IBM (or toshiba, for notebooks)



and still your arguments dont fit well.

pro audio and 2d gfx ware runs lots faster on mac. just 3d aint that fast, which is due to the bad 3d support by product developers and companies as well as by gfx card builders.

u know how much power the radeon 9800 has that is unsleashed in a mac? i dont - and i do not want to guess that ;p.
 
Re: lol but sony is big crap ;p

Originally posted by ionas
worst support and service, medium product quality, high (mostly) product design.

i would go for HPQ biz models or IBM (or toshiba, for notebooks)



and still your arguments dont fit well.

pro audio and 2d gfx ware runs lots faster on mac. just 3d aint that fast, which is due to the bad 3d support by product developers and companies as well as by gfx card builders.

u know how much power the radeon 9800 has that is unsleashed in a mac? i dont - and i do not want to guess that ;p.
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i don't know about hpq, but i agree that toshiba makes great notebooks

i also like alien notebooks...a bit pricey, but nice ;)
 
well the question is what vendors are left for professional company usage regarding pcs?

dell? no
gateway? no
ibm? yes
sony? no
sun? no
hp compaq? yes
apple? yes, of course, but only if you do not have to stick to windows cause of your customers, but even then, vpc helps out in many cases.

there arent so many possibilites...

toshiba notebooks are so great, i wish they would run mac os x and feature a g5 1.5ghz 90nm that scales low to 500mhz via speed stepping ;-)

tecra s1 and m10 m20 m30 are all great machines :-]
 
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