2.6GHz PowerMacs Tomorrow?

[paulypants]

if this is true and there is no 3ghz announcment tomorrow or at wwdc, there will be many many pissed customers and stock holders who counted on steve's promise of 3ghz within a year. dont give me that "he has till sept 22" bs. he said 3 in a year and thats what i expect.

aaaaaawwww...

 

[pjkelnhofer]

Ram slots and PCI-X? They might still leave those off the entry level, making the Dual 2.0 more valuable in that respect.

maybe the 2.2 won't be dual but a single. So 2500 for a dual 2.0 or 1800-2300 for a single 2.2? makes it more interesting to decide?

But so far everything has pointed to the entire line going Dual and using the same mobo. To me that would mean same RAM and PCI-X as well.

Of course, those rumors may not be true.

 

[mklos]

True. I can very easily see him saying that. But then we can only take his promises with a grain of salt next time.

I don't see what everyone's problem is with this stupid promise! Thats all everyone talks about is how Steve made this promise! Well technically it wasn't actually Steve Jobs that made the promise, it was a combination of Apple and IBM. Steve Jobs isn't a computer god! He can't just wave his hands over the G5 processor and whoosh...now were at 3 GHz. When he announced that Apple and IBM would be at 3 GHz within 1 year things were probably really going well with the development of the next generation G5 processor and maybe something went wrong. Apple can't control that. People are just going to have to be happy with what Apple brings to the table. If they can't be happy then go to www.dell.com and get a POS $499 2.6 GHz P4 computer. Then you'll have a whole bunch of things to bitch about. People are making the biggest deal out of something that nobody can control. If were not at 3 GHz on June 29th, then who gives a ****! When Apple gets there they get there.

 

[xtekdiver]

What about the monitors?

What about the monitors? I need one bad. I'm lugging my 20" cinema back and forth from work.

Would it make sense to wait to update the monitors?

 

[Duff-Man]

What about the monitors? I need one bad. I'm lugging my 20" cinema back and forth from work.

Would it make sense to wait to update the monitors?

Duff-Man says....AppleInsider has updated their story and says new monitors are possible this week too....oh yeah!

 

[PRØBE]

Hopefully we will see Dual 3GHZ by WWDC. I think we will.

erm...unlikely if they update to 2.6 tomorrow. Lol imagine if they did what you suggest and update AGAIN to 3ghz just a week later. hmm.


Sillyness aside, what an exciting week this is going to be! (and already has been). I haven't got enough cash saved up yet to upgrade so I guess the 3ghz will be on the streets by the time i do. 350ghz G4 sawtooth with 16 vram to a dual 3ghz G5. That will be one sweet speed jump. Love the new music streaming wifi gadget.

 

[ffakr]

Why is 3Ghz dominance?

Because, the PPC 970 performs more efficiently than the P4, as does the Athlon64. The Athlon 64 performs anywhere from slower to faster than the G5 at the same clock.. depends on the benchmark. The PPC 970 can do more work per clock cycle, but it has a longer pipe and it doesn't have the on die [low latency] memory controller like the Athlon 64 does.

I'm guessing the point is.. the Athlon is at 2.4 GHz now and it keeps up with the 3.4 GHz P4s.. sometimes faster, sometimes slower.

A 2.6 GHz PPC 970 would compare favorably with the current Athlons and P4s but it wouldn't dominate them. You'd still find plenty of benchmarks where either platform could beat the mac (as you'd find plenty were the mac beat the PCs). A 3 GHz PPC 970, however, would likely be so fast that it would dominate the competition for a while at least.

side topic... half the problem with us vs. them is that they've got better compilers. Until we see widespread use of IBM's xlc/xlf compilers, we won't see the full potential of the G5. My colleague's code runs about 30% faster with IBM's compilers vs. gcc.
I expect that Apple will recompile a lot of the core of Tiger with IBM's tools and well see a good speed up for many parts of the OS.

 

[Hattig]

Personally, I'm happy with a 30% boost in one year.. it'd be better than Intel or AMD has managed..

AMD: Last June: 1.8GHz Opteron (x44) to This June: 2.4GHz Opteron (x50)
33.3% clock speed increase

2.6GHz G5 will be more than adequately powerful though. It might not be 3GHz, but 90nm has been a thorn for all the semiconductor companies.

 

[cr2sh]

I don't care what apple does with the Powermac line.. as long as we're getting displays to match 'em!

 

[PRØBE]

Eh.. I'm thinking 3 GHz at WWDC.

Don't you just love people who post without even reading what the thread's about?

 

[King Cobra]

Did you actually read the article?

Why would they sell a Dual 2.6 at that price if that's also the price they are selling the Dual 2.0 at?

I don't think "you" (singular) is alone...

There must be a trend among newbies (charges up)...most of them read the title of the thread, graze through the article for only keywords, such as "G5" and "GHz," especially ones that are relevant to only the article title, post a half-assed (or completely-assed) opinion, then respond to someone's comment on the opinion, saying that they actually "read" the article.

So to whom it concerns, "you" (plural) might want to [re]read: The source said that the company's plans call for an announcement of the long-awaited G5 refresh tomorrow, on Tuesday, June 8, but stressed that announcement dates for speed bumps can be subject to change.

That means that it is wrong to conclude "We'll have 2.6GHz updated on that day and absolutely no other."

Now, watch...eventually there will be at least one newb that browses through my post, quotes it, posts some half-assed comment, and claims to have "read" my post regardless of how I show otherwise. Must be part of that all-important "I want my avatar, so let me have my say" trend.


So, with relevance to the article...2.6GHz? Even if announced at WWDC, Steve did say within 12 months. I'll be patient up to the day of WWDC 2004 (even though I'll have to miss it for class), because of one thing: Steve's reputation is on the line.

 

[Mac|caM]

3ghz is dominance because Apple would return to clockspeed parity with intel and, at the same time, have "real speeds" faster than any other chip on the market. This should be Apple's desktop priority as the majority of the marketplace (outside AMD and Apple fans) still believes clockspeed is "real speed". Those are the users Apple needs to gain market share. Expansion should be Apple's priority.

Um, Intel announced a little while ago that they wouldn't advertise clock speed anymore, because it isn't the true measure of speed. They're going with this crazy number system (3xx, 5xx, and 7xx) to measure their computers, based on processor type, mobility (Centrino vs. Pentium), clock speed, etc.

 

[Stella]

Updated PM, Airtunes etc... what will be left for WWDC - iMac G5 and tiger... there must be more, normally is, isn't there?

Could it be.... G5 PB?

 

[yoman]

erm...unlikely if they update to 2.6 tomorrow. Lol imagine if they did what you suggest and update AGAIN to 3ghz just a week later. hmm.


Sillyness aside, what an exciting week this is going to be! (and already has been). I haven't got enough cash saved up yet to upgrade so I guess the 3ghz will be on the streets by the time i do. 350ghz G4 sawtooth with 16 vram to a dual 3ghz G5. That will be one sweet speed jump. Love the new music streaming wifi gadget.

I think you mean a speed drop. 350GHz G4 Sawtooth is quite a machine. Forget the dual 3Ghz G5. Sorry couldn't resist

 

[NusuniAdmin]

Just imagen.....

...just imagen in a few years.....at wwdc 2008 (i picked a random year)....steve jobs up on stage with his turtle neck and really out of fasion tight jeans.....and he says "there is one more thing....you may have seen on the net some amazing specs for our G5...well they are false and true. Today we are introducing the worlds most powerful personal computer at speeds of up to 7 ghz. This processor is no longer 64 bit, but we've gona all out to 128 bit. We and IBM have been working very closely for this processor and we think it will make one heck of a machine, lets look at our fake errr real specs tests against the pentium frank processor. Remember we are using a 7 ghz G6 and they are using a 10 ghz frank processor."....

just my thoughts on the future

 

[mvc]

Updated PM, Airtunes etc... what will be left for WWDC - iMac G5 and tiger... there must be more, normally is, isn't there?

Could it be.... G5 PB?

You just had to, didn't you. And... there are two d's in Goddess.

 

[PRØBE]

Sigh

I'm thinking they might release the new G5s before WWDC (possible announce the 3Ghz @ WWDC), just to pave the way for the iMac G5

Lol this is becoming an epidemic!


I can't wait to find out what chip they are using for the 2.6. Probably the 90nm though I thought they were still having supply issues on those. (based on X-serve shipping times)

 

[triton]

I'm sorry, but you guys completely irrational. If Apple releases 2.6 ghz tomorrow, there is no way in hell that they will do ANOTHER revision 12 days later. That is absolutely the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Apple has NEVER broken up its releases like that. Why won't Apple simply wait 12 days and announce everything together?

Anyways, this talk of 3.0 ghz at WWDC is moot. Steve Jobs modified his original promise and said 3.0 ghz by the end of the summer. WWDC is NOT the end of the summer. Mid-September is. If Apple releases 2.6 ghz tomorrow, it gives Apple three months to do another revision. Steve WILL keep his promise. (Isn't he obligated by law to not make such public claims?)

Be patient young grasshoppa *I must keep saying this to myself or I will go nuts waiting for the dual ghz. *

 

[MacinDoc]

Mixed news

The latest ThinkSecret article, if true, offers mixed news. If Apple is still selling all 3 current models at the prices listed, then the new models will be at higher price points.

Dual 1.8 $2199
Dual 2.0 $2499
Dual 2.2 $2799
Dual 2.4 $3099
Dual 2.6 $3399 (or even $3499)

If Apple was to subsequently (at MacWorld Paris, as some have suggested) introduce a dual 3.0 model, it would likely have to be priced at $4499. I'm no expert on this, but I think this puts it well into the workstation price range.

 

[PRØBE]

I think you mean a speed drop. 350GHz G4 Sawtooth is quite a machine. Forget the dual 3Ghz G5. Sorry couldn't resist

Lol, silly me.
A 350 ghz g4 would indeed be one hell of a machine. Shall I be first to start off the "I want a 350ghz G4 powerbook" posts?

 

[Flowbee]

Another face-saving scenario...

Apple releases a 3.2Ghz G5 in September and then says: "See, we made the 3.0 target when we said we would, we just didn't release a new machine at that time."

 

[MilesAhead]

Man, I sure do get tired of these whiny "But Steve promised!" posts about the 3GHz machines. Folks, Steve does not make computer chips. His company does not make computer chips. IBM makes them. Steve can cajole, beg, plead, or threaten IBM as much as he likes but the fact remains, that all promises aside, Apple can't make a 3GHz PowerMac until IBM makes a 3GHz chip. It's that simple. I'm sure Steve made his now-infamous promise based on what was AT THE TIME good information about future chip yields and development, but for whatever reason, Big Blue is not where they expected to be now.

There seem to be 3 kinds of people here:
1) Conspiracy theorists who think Apple has been hiding the 3ers in the warehouse behind the crates of everlasting light bulbs and perpetual motion machines,
2) Wishful thinkers who believe that if Steve said it would be so, it will be so. I sure hope their parents never had problems finding the right toys for Christmas, and
3) A relatively smaller and certainly quieter bunch of pragmatists who realize that although Apple wants 3 gig chips and IBM would love to sell them, they aren't ready yet.

It is beyond silly to go poring over the "promise" speech looking for hidden nuances of when to expect these machines. Folks, they will come when the chips are ready, and not a second before.

 

[LaMerVipere]

Apple Insider Chimes In As Well...

Well Apple Insider has now joined the fray...

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=492

Yay, I can't wait.

 

[iJed]

Well assuming this is true (which I believe it is) and these machines have PCI-Express then I'll be ordering my G5 tomorrow!

 

[rareflares]

Ok, assuming the 2.6's get announced tomorrow, i believe WWDC will have the following

1.)iMac G5 15"-20"- 1.6-2.0 Ghz single G5's with FSB at 33% of the proc. speed (Apple loves to cripple the iMac ), 120 GB HD, 256-512 MB RAM, ATI Radeon 9600 and COMPLETE redesign for the G5. Heat in the current form factor would be a problem so i expect this to be a major portion of the announcement.

These specs are based purely on if they intend to keep the iMac in the current price bracket. These would be VERY competitive IMO to similar PCs (or at least a big improvement over the current iMacs).

2.) Tiger - Steve Jobs demos 10.4
3.) Displays - new design, new models, etc. etc. etc.
4.) iPod - models are 20, 40, 60 GB. i'm hoping the fabled features of color video/picture capabilities will come up, but i'm not expecting anything.
5.) Any other updates for iLife, SDK's, and other developer stuff
6.) ??

but of course, as all of you will soon point out, i know absolutely nothing ....