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2.6GHz PowerMacs Tomorrow?

MilesAhead said:
Man, I sure do get tired of these whiny "But Steve promised!" posts about the 3GHz machines. Folks, Steve does not make computer chips. His company does not make computer chips. IBM makes them. Steve can cajole, beg, plead, or threaten IBM as much as he likes but the fact remains, that all promises aside, Apple can't make a 3GHz PowerMac until IBM makes a 3GHz chip. It's that simple. I'm sure Steve made his now-infamous promise based on what was AT THE TIME good information about future chip yields and development, but for whatever reason, Big Blue is not where they expected to be now.

There seem to be 3 kinds of people here:
1) Conspiracy theorists who think Apple has been hiding the 3ers in the warehouse behind the crates of everlasting light bulbs and perpetual motion machines,
2) Wishful thinkers who believe that if Steve said it would be so, it will be so. I sure hope their parents never had problems finding the right toys for Christmas, and
3) A relatively smaller and certainly quieter bunch of pragmatists who realize that although Apple wants 3 gig chips and IBM would love to sell them, they aren't ready yet.

It is beyond silly to go poring over the "promise" speech looking for hidden nuances of when to expect these machines. Folks, they will come when the chips are ready, and not a second before.
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I'm in number 3. All I have to say to the people that predicted the 3ghz and all that other jazz, "Haha, you were wrong"

it seems this website is short on realist today.
 
Flowbee said:
Another face-saving scenario...

Apple releases a 3.2Ghz G5 in September and then says: "See, we made the 3.0 target when we said we would, we just didn't release a new machine at that time." :D
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Correct. I predict late Aug or early Sept. for 3Ghz+.

My issue is:
In two weeks I'm buying a G5 2Ghz:

will it be reduced in price or will I get a chance to buy a new G5 2.6?

I can only hope for new LCD's. We need one 23"+ and one 17-19" display.

I'll be buying a new 3Ghz and 23"+ LCD around X-mas.
 
mklos said:
I don't see what everyone's problem is with this stupid promise! Thats all everyone talks about is how Steve made this promise! Well technically it wasn't actually Steve Jobs that made the promise, it was a combination of Apple and IBM. Steve Jobs isn't a computer god! He can't just wave his hands over the G5 processor and whoosh...now were at 3 GHz. When he announced that Apple and IBM would be at 3 GHz within 1 year things were probably really going well with the development of the next generation G5 processor and maybe something went wrong. Apple can't control that. People are just going to have to be happy with what Apple brings to the table. If they can't be happy then go to www.dell.com and get a POS $499 2.6 GHz P4 computer. Then you'll have a whole bunch of things to bitch about. People are making the biggest deal out of something that nobody can control. If were not at 3 GHz on June 29th, then who gives a ****! When Apple gets there they get there.
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the voice of reason! Thank you!

Steve Jobs can't control IBM's unexpected production problems. A dual 2.6 Ghz G5 will be BLAZING fast; enjoy it.
 
i dont know if this makes sense but what if the top of the line g5 proccessor is 2.6 do you think that apple will possibly try an over clock to 2.8 they didi it with 1.8 to 2.0
 
Boohoo

Flyers486 said:
I'd have to say that any comments dismissing the gripes of the mac community over a lack of 3ghz machines are misguided. Yes I am certain the new machines will be excellent and continue to out perform their PC breatheren, but I am also certain of specific comments from the CEO of Apple Comp. stating that 3ghz would be here by WWDC. Those machines should be here now. Any belief otherwise is simply fanboyism gone arry. The priority for us as a community is to have technological dominance, thus drawing more users to the mac marketplace. 2.6 ghz is not dominance. The promised 3ghz is dominance.

Greg
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I can see a whole lot of people sticking out their bottom lips and sulking if there's no magic 3ghz. GROW UP people. I don't recall Steve Jobs ever saying "I promise you all IBM will hit 3ghz in 12 months". He merely made a prediction based on the information he had available at that time. It's childish to hold him personally responsible if the 3ghz is later coming than predicted.
I'm sure he and all those around him, IBM included, thought that
the 3ghz line would have been quicker coming. If you have beening keeping track of all the yield troubles IBM have been having plus the Apple heat sensor rumor, you may understand why. there have been delays and an update possibly cancelled earlier this year. The 3ghz still might be ready by september or at least announced then so relax a little.
 
Mac|caM said:
Um, Intel announced a little while ago that they wouldn't advertise clock speed anymore, because it isn't the true measure of speed. They're going with this crazy number system (3xx, 5xx, and 7xx) to measure their computers, based on processor type, mobility (Centrino vs. Pentium), clock speed, etc.
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This has been AMD's practice for sometime, but you can still always find out the clockspeed of a system.

There really is no truly objective way for rating chips with different architectures. Each chip will always have strenghs and weaknesses. I believe that the G5 especially at 2.6 GHz, is right on par (possibly ahead for a lot things) with what AMD and Intel are making.

To me it is the OS, the software and the design that have always set Mac apart. So long as they keep leading the way in those categories it will mean very little to me if some one else chips are 10% better in raw MHz or faster in a Cinebench test.
 
Lancetx said:
Agreed. I'd be satisfied with a Dual 3GHz in time for MWSF in January 2005. A Dual 2.6GHz at the high end is rather impressive for now. Lord knows that Intel sure hasn't had a 30% performance increase over the past year like this would be for Apple/IBM...
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When you think about it, a projection of a 50% speed increase within one year was pretty darned agreesive.

To make a 30% increase is still outstanding for sure!

A dual 2.6 would sure be a nice machine! :D

Sushi
 
I wonder...

I wonder if the headlines when Apple does refresh the Power Mac line, for a site like cnet news (http://news.com.com) for instance will read:

Apple Releases Updated Power Mac G5s

or

Apple Releases Updated Power Mac G5s; Fails To Reach 3GHz

Because I was reading an article from there a few days ago, I think in reference to the supposed images of a yet unreleased G5 from the service manual, and they ended it by saying "...Steve Jobs promised that the PM line would hit 3GHz within a year." I hope he doesn't think the press is going to forget about his "Within 12 Months" statement.
 
Now to convince my parents to buy me at least one new Apple product for my sixteenth birthday this month... :cool:

Tomorrow sounds exciting. I like these stealth updates. The rumor mills are busy working to the last minute, and then Apple slaps us with great surprises. It's great for business and us.
 
What if this were a snippet of Steve's demo at WWDC?

Steve: "We just opened the European iTunes store last week. One million downloads, not bad. The interesting thing about iTunes is that it runs on Windows and OSX. By the way, most of iTunes is code from our Safari browser. And we were tinkering around..."

(stops, reaches over and pulls black veil off of a non-descript PC)

"Did I mention that we've ported Safari to Windows? Here it is."

(Hoots and hisses in the audience).

So why not? The competition has said that they're not going to update their browser for three years. Come to think of it. Windows isn't going to see a new upgrade for 3 years either. Hmmm.

(Steve reboots)

"I think we should give our friends with Intel processors an upgrade a little sooner. This is the beta OSX Tiger for Intel processors. It runs all Apple software and it'll ship in January 2005" https://forums.macrumors.com/newreply.php#

Shock and awe... Buy your Apple stock now.
 
triton said:
Hopefully we will see Dual 3GHZ by WWDC. I think we will. ;)
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Yes, I have a feeling that Apple may release a dual 2, dual 2.3 and 2.6 (for example) tomorrow, then the 3.0 GHz announcement at WWDC.
 
I think apple will stick with IBM for a while. Even with those problems back in november, has intel and AMD made a 30% increase in performance recently. Have they ever made a 30% increase? With a year pass how much did performance gain did we get with Moto? IBM is holding a bright future for apple and IBM's processor indrustry. We could make Gates look bad if the rumors are true about the Xbox2 using the PPC 975. The press will be saying," Why did you choose a chip that your competion uses in their G5 computers?" Back on topic, 2.6 Ghz would be impressive. At the rate IBM is moving, we could surpass intel on clockspeed and reach longhorns requirement before intel does( I am not implenting that MS would switch to IBM). For the number thing, I would fall under number 3. I would not be mad at Jobs because it wasn't apple's or IBM's fault. The chip had its problems. We could be waiting intill september if apple stuck with Moto so be happy what you got.
 
pjkelnhofer said:
I think a lot of people are missing the point to this. If the PowerMac G5 is updated tomorrow to 2.6GHz, then there will be no PowerMac announcement at WWDC. At the very most, Steve may say we are still looking at 3 GHz by the end of this year (I doubt this would really canabilize sales as they would be expected to update again in six months anyhow not once per year).

The only thing in the ThinkSecret story that makes no sense to me is the discounted prices of the Rev. A PowerMac G5's. If the whole like is upgraded (2.2, 2.4, 2.6GHz) and the price points stay the same (or at the most go up slightly), then the old Dual 2 GHz will cost more than whatever the new bottom model is (would you pay $2500 for a Rev. A, Dual 2 GHz, or somewhere between $1800-$2300 for a Rev. B, Dual 2.2 Ghz).

I guess will we know tomorrow. I will be checking Apple.com early and often.
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These were my thoughts exactly and frankly they are very troubling. The prices for the old models either will be much lower than reported in the article, or they are correct and the prices for the new models are going to be much higher than the current price points. I don't see a way that Apple can sell the old 1.6ghz's for 1600 dollars when they are offering a new lowest model for 1800$ which is over dual 2ghz unless they actually don't have any new speeds besides the 2.6s. Needless to say that would be very disappointing, even if dual 1.8 is their lowest model at 1800 who would buy a 1.6 for 200 dollars less, it just doesn't make sense. Oh well, we will just have to wait and see what Apple does before I decide how much money they are going to get from me.
 
Discount Promo?

If all this talk about new PMs holds true, and maybe new displays, will Apple also be discounting the displays? If so, does this promo apply? One could get a great deal on a DP 2.0 PM and a 23" display...
 
CybrCyfr said:
If all this talk about new PMs holds true, and maybe new displays, will Apple also be discounting the displays? If so, does this promo apply? One could get a great deal on a DP 2.0 PM and a 23" display...
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Darn I forgot all about that, why would Apple let this promo keep going after announcing updated Power Macs and, dare I say it, displays? :confused:
 
CybrCyfr said:
If all this talk about new PMs holds true, and maybe new displays, will Apple also be discounting the displays? If so, does this promo apply? One could get a great deal on a DP 2.0 PM and a 23" display...
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Nope. The promo is for any G5 PM but specifically mentions the model # for the 23" CD.

QUALIFYING PRODUCTS: All Apple Power Mac G5 computers; Apple display:M8537ZM/A 23-inch Apple Cinema HD Display
 
PRØBE said:
I can see a whole lot of people sticking out their bottom lips and sulking if there's no magic 3ghz. GROW UP people. I don't recall Steve Jobs ever saying "I promise you all IBM will hit 3ghz in 12 months". He merely made a prediction based on the information he had available at that time. It's childish to hold him personally responsible if the 3ghz is later coming than predicted.
I'm sure he and all those around him, IBM included, thought that
the 3ghz line would have been quicker coming. If you have beening keeping track of all the yield troubles IBM have been having plus the Apple heat sensor rumor, you may understand why. there have been delays and an update possibly cancelled earlier this year. The 3ghz still might be ready by september or at least announced then so relax a little.
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there was no prediction made, it was a statement made as a fact, that apple will reach 3 ghz by next year (the end of this month or so for announcement, shipment by end of summer i guess). if they don't reach 3ghz, it was awfully reckless of him to make that statement, because they surely knew that they would be using a 90nm chip, which ibm hadn't done before, and there would likely be some problem solving to be done. granted delays were probably a bit more severe than they anticipated, but they should have been anticipated. shame on them if they don't make it.
 
the sooner the better for me, i'll definitely buy a dual G5 this summer, and i'd like to buy refurbished ala $1399 for dual 2GHz or 2.2GHz, yea thats thinking ahead but i'm a cheap-ass
 
I think Apple has probably learned a very expensive lesson with this
"3GHz in a year" nonsense.

They will no longer make false or inaccurate statements as ridiculous as this and they will no longer fall into the trap where the consumer has expectations that new hardware releases will be tied to a Expo, Show, or Conference.

If the consumer has any expectation that a 3GHz system is in the near future, once again they will climb on the fence and play the wait game. Apple can not afford for this to happen. I think you will see the speed bump tomorrow and that is it for the balance of the year. Forget what Jobs said, it ain't gonna happen. If you need a new machine then buy the fastest machine that is available and that you can afford.

If you are holding out for a 3GHz machine, it is not because you need the computing power, it is because you just want to have bragging rights.

And the WWDC is not a hardware show, it is a software developers conference, so don't be disappointed if the only thing that comes out of it that gets you all excited & tingly is a peak at OS 10.4 (Tiger).

I'm done...
 
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what i cant understand is that apple would release an update for their 'pro' line tommorow and wait for an update for the g5 imac at a developers convention when the imac is a consumer machine. developers would be more interested in a pro machine than a consumer machine at wwdc.

or whatever...i dont know anything about wwdc. all i know is that macs are the best there is.
 
okay ... i would buy the dual 2.6 ghz ... though do not be dissappointed when we only see 2.4 ghz ... would i buy one too? i think so! even @ dual 2.4 ghz this machine will scream! have you ever had a look at the motion-real-time stuff ? http://www.apple.com/motion/quicktour/effects.html
pretty impressive on a dual 2.0 ghz :)
the apple fever is on and it's gettin' hotter and hotter ...
.a
 
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