2.6GHz PowerMacs Tomorrow?

[capdesign]

Good point...

Depends on what kind of designer you are. If you are a multimedia designer (ie: video) compression times are much faster with faster processor G5's. A 600mhz jump is very noticeable.

I'm a 3D animator, and every little ounce of clockspeed is noticable.

Now I just need to figure out how Im going to pay for this thing...

Donations anyone? I'll put you in my credits for my next short film!!

Quark and Dreamweaver are my "Beasts of Burden"...I am a 9.2.2 slacker.

I spend about 1% of my time in Cleaner.

I am only upgrading because of some quark 5 - 6 issues I have been encountering and the desire to have supported hardware over the next couple of years.

I am Cheap!

Would I notice a difference between dual 1.8s and dual 2.0s?

 

[~Shard~]

Am I the only fool waiting for updates so I can buy dual 1.8s at a reduced price?

Nope - my friend is in the exact same position! He's been waiting for the past 3 months for PowerMac updates, bt not so he can buy a new one - so that he can buy an old DP 1.8 or DP 2.0 for a significant savings! All he really wants is a DP 1.8, but doesn't want to pay top dollar for what is effectively year-old technology. Of course, depending what price point these new PowerMacs are released at, and what other hardware goodies have been upgraded, he might have to think twice!

 

[eric_n_dfw]

there was no prediction made, it was a statement made as a fact, that apple will reach 3 ghz by next year (the end of this month or so for announcement, shipment by end of summer i guess)

How the heck is an event in the future ever fact? Even "The sun will rise tomorrow" is a prediction.

Words mean things:

• pre·dict
  • v. pre·dict·ed, pre·dict·ing, pre·dicts
    v. tr.
    To state, tell about, or make known in advance, especially on the basis of special knowledge.
    
  • v. intr.
    To foretell something; prophesy
• fact
  • n.
    1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
       
    2. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed:
       • Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
         
       • A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
         
       • Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
    3. A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.
       
    4. Law. The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.

 

[jcshas]

Cool
but, still can't afford one

 

[~Shard~]

How about this possibility - PowerMacs up to 2.6 GHz are in fact announced tomorrow, however Jobs still keeps his promise of 3 GHz by the end of summer, and everyone is happy (give or take!) For things to work out this way, Jobs only announces the 3 Ghz at WWDC or (shortly thereafter), saying they'll be shipping in a few months. This way, the 3 GHz are still a reality by the end of summer, allowing Jobs to keep his promise, yet by the time they actually are shipping, this would give this 2.6 GHz PowerMac update at least a few months to be in the marketplace, without the systems being completely obsolete and "old news" only a few weeks after they are released (and thus pissing a lot of people off!)

Just a possibility - not saying it will happen that way. No matter what though, any updates to the PowerMac line will be better than nothing! I'll be keeping my eyes open for tomorrow...

 

[eric_n_dfw]

1. So there is a brief mention of the *possibility* of a quad-pocessor workstation/high-end model...I am curious as to whether the benefits of the additional processors would be worth the added costs...is any software written to take advantage of four processors (that is relevant)...is there a possibility of this pertaining to multi-core processors instead...seems like an intriguing idea, but not very pragmatic...anyone with pertinent tech knowledge want to help me out...?

OS X (and any SMP aware OS) should be able to spread processes/threads across as many CPU's as you throw at it.(to a point)

From what I've read, different OS's are better than others when you move to higher numbers of processors, but as long as it supports more than 1, it sould take advantage of 2, 4 or more. There usually are diminishing returns the greater that number gets though, which is why a dual 500Mhz G4 is not usually as fast as a single 1Ghz one. (it can be a certain things, but not usually) The overhead of cordinating the work/data between processors, AFAIK, is one of the reasons why.

Some very high end machines by SGI, Sun, Unisys and others have specially tuned OS versions for anywhere from 32 to 100+ processors too.

FWIW: It seems that clustering many single processor (or dual I guess) seems to be the most cost effective way to obtain insane computational speeds, though, as evidenced by the "Big Mac", Google and others.

 

[crowdaddy]

I've got a feeling that a big bang is coming that no one expected. Apple is in trouble if it cannot produce the 3 ghz. They have been out of revisions and major upgrades for a while...I have a gut feeling that they met 3 ghz and even exceeded it. This may be extremely optimistic, but, just think, if they do not produce at least a 3 ghz processor any time soon, many mac customers will take this as a red-flag and jump ship, the stock will crash and apple may turn into a music company. This is pretty extreme I know but it looks at the big picture. The other companies are pushing the envelope and it is fitting for apple to step up to the plate and smack one home.

 

[utilizer]

"It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year"

So, new G5 Power Macs tomorrow as well as interactive tablet displays, huh? How cool is this! I need to make more money to buy these toys!

[Don't know if it's been said but here it goes!]
Then BOOM! WWDC brings us G5 PowerBooks; line up your socks nay-sayers, 'cause it looks like you'll eating them on the 28th!

 

[windowsblowsass]

How about this possibility - PowerMacs up to 2.6 GHz are in fact announced tomorrow, however Jobs still keeps his promise of 3 GHz by the end of summer, and everyone is happy (give or take!) For things to work out this way, Jobs only announces the 3 Ghz at WWDC or (shortly thereafter), saying they'll be shipping in a few months. This way, the 3 GHz are still a reality by the end of summer, allowing Jobs to keep his promise, yet by the time they actually are shipping, this would give this 2.6 GHz PowerMac update at least a few months to be in the marketplace, without the systems being completely obsolete and "old news" only a few weeks after they are released (and thus pissing a lot of people off!)

Just a possibility - not saying it will happen that way. No matter what though, any updates to the PowerMac line will be better than nothing! I'll be keeping my eyes open for tomorrow...

thats what i was thinking im betting that will be the "one more thing" ...and one more thing... those 2.6 g5s bet you thought i didnt keep my promise aye well think again introducing the 3ghz g5 (shipping in august/september)

 

[capdesign]

Don't know if you are kidding...

So, new G5 Power Macs tomorrow as well as interactive tablet displays, huh? How cool is this! I need to make more money to buy these toys!

[Don't know if it's been said but here it goes!]
Then BOOM! WWDC brings us G5 PowerBooks; line up your socks nay-sayers, 'cause it looks like you'll eating them on the 28th!

I don't know if you are joking around... but my apple guy said "G5s in all macs but Ibooks for WWDC" I assume he didn't mean Ipods. My apple guy is often a LIAR!

 

[windowsblowsass]

I don't know if you are joking around... but my apple guy said "G5s in all macs but Ibooks for WWDC" I assume he didn't mean Ipods. My apple guy is often a LIAR!

i want a g5 ipod
i can hear it now if the power book has a g5 why ant the ipod

 

[windowsblowsass]

i wonder which will be longer, the powermac g5 rev 2 release forum or the powerbook g5 release forum....Wunder if either will beat the Drunk Thread's record

the drunk thread now consists of over 25000 posts

 

[MilesAhead]

there was no prediction made, it was a statement made as a fact, that apple will reach 3 ghz by next year (the end of this month or so for announcement, shipment by end of summer i guess). if they don't reach 3ghz, it was awfully reckless of him to make that statement, because they surely knew that they would be using a 90nm chip, which ibm hadn't done before, and there would likely be some problem solving to be done. granted delays were probably a bit more severe than they anticipated, but they should have been anticipated. shame on them if they don't make it.

OK, let's look at it like this. Suppose I happen to be a friend of George Lucas, and George promises me that Star Wars Episode III is going to be great, the best of all the Star Wars movies. I then tell all my other friends about how great EpIII will be, and because they know that I know George, they believe me. Bear in mind that I am not making the movie, I haven't seen the movie, but the best information I have from someone in the loop says that Episode III is great.

Flash forward to 2005. Episode III is out, and it stinks. Is it my fault? Did the movie automatically have to be great because I said it would be? Of course not.

Boys and girls, SJ has a lot of talents, but telling the future is not one of them; neither is conjuring a non-existent 3 GHz chip out of the air. Promising a 3GHz system doesn't make it exist all by itself. there is not even a hint of these chips being available. There is nothing to indicate that a POWER5 derived chip is even close. The 3ers will be ready when they are ready. Relax.

 

[g4cubed]

I can't believe what I'm hearing from some people. Everyone was jumping for joy when we hit 2.0GHz. Now 2.6GHz isn't good enough. I say just learn to be patient. It will come sooner than everyone thinks and then some.

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Learn the art of patience. Apply discipline to your thoughts when they become anxious over the outcome of a goal. Impatience breeds anxiety, fear, discouragement and failure. Patience creates confidence, decisiveness, and a rational outlook, which eventually leads to success.
Brian Adams

 

[~Shard~]

Flash forward to 2005. Episode III is out, and it stinks. Is it my fault? Did the movie automatically have to be great because I said it would be? Of course not.

Sure it is your fault - you should have known Episode III was going to stink just like Episodes I and II, no matter what Lucas told you! You don't need to be able to predict the future to know that!

 

[Flowbee]

Jobs took the stage and said, "What about the future? We're at 2 GHz today. IBM and Apple are today announcing that within 12 months, we'll be at 3GHz." Verbatim quote.

Who's to say that they're *not* already at 3GHz? The processor may be at 3GHz+ for all we know, they just may not be ready to ship a system with that processor yet. Could be due to power issues, heat issues, or any number of other unknowns.

Jobs said the processor would be at 3.0GHz within a year... not that Apple would necessarily be *shipping* a 3Ghz machine within a year.

 

[jocknerd]

The latest ThinkSecret article, if true, offers mixed news. If Apple is still selling all 3 current models at the prices listed, then the new models will be at higher price points.

Dual 1.8 $2199
Dual 2.0 $2499
Dual 2.2 $2799
Dual 2.4 $3099
Dual 2.6 $3399 (or evev $3499)

If Apple was to subsequently (at MacWorld Paris, as some have suggested) introduce a dual 3.0 model, it would likely have to be priced at $4499. I'm no expert on this, but I think this puts it well into the workstation price range.

Don't burst my bubble. I've had this ongoing fear that Apple would do something stupid like this. But I really don't see Apple having five different speeds. Thats just too much. I really think the prices will stay the same as they are now but with faster machines. Which processors are these going to be? Are they going to be from the same fabrication as the current ones or are they the new, lower wattage ones that produce less heat?

 

[Duff-Man]

Duff-Man says....some of you people are friggin' unbelievable....you are behaving like the 3Ghz PowerMac is the very first computer product that did not meet its "deadline" - cripes, this happens ALL the time with software, hardware, you name it. Relax. A dual 2.6 is 1.2 Ghz more power than what is shipping from apple *today* - that's certainly a great step and enough for me to get the credit card out......oh yeah!

 

[bathysphere]

OK, let's look at it like this. Suppose I happen to be a friend of George Lucas, and George promises me that Star Wars Episode III is going to be great, the best of all the Star Wars movies. I then tell all my other friends about how great EpIII will be, and because they know that I know George, they believe me. Bear in mind that I am not making the movie, I haven't seen the movie, but the best information I have from someone in the loop says that Episode III is great.

Flash forward to 2005. Episode III is out, and it stinks. Is it my fault? Did the movie automatically have to be great because I said it would be? Of course not.

Boys and girls, SJ has a lot of talents, but telling the future is not one of them; neither is conjuring a non-existent 3 GHz chip out of the air. Promising a 3GHz system doesn't make it exist all by itself. there is not even a hint of these chips being available. There is nothing to indicate that a POWER5 derived chip is even close. The 3ers will be ready when they are ready. Relax.

this is stupid.
i'm not even going to go into your analogy, because it is just a disaster. you're inconsistent within the analogy, not to mention that it doesn't apply.
but, if there was a substantial chance that they would be unable to deliver on the promise (which there definitely was, even without hindsight), he probably shouldn't have made that promise publicly. pretty irresponsible of him, don't you think?
also, i misspoke when i said the word 'fact'. replace 'fact' with 'guarantee'.
personally, i think 2.6 ghz is plenty fast, and will likely beat out most, if not all, competition. it's just stupid of steve jobs to publicly say they would get to 3ghz, and then not do it. it adversely effects his reputation as a businessman, his companies reputation, and probably adversely effected sales. but, we still may see them, so we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[tazznb]

Good Gravy!!!!!!! Do I have to spell it out for all of you!

***News Flash***
There will be PowerMacs with a top speed of 2.6Ghz tomorrow, only because WWDC will produce the ever-so-secret X-Station which tops out at 3.0Ghz.

These will be more expensive due to having larger ram and, larger HD capacity, **Pro graphics card, and **Dual CD Drives (**there was a slight mix up with people thinking they will have pro cards, and dual CD drives for the G5s.)

iMacs will sport 1.6Ghz & 2.0Ghz processors!



~Remember; he said they would have 3Ghz Processors, not 3Ghz G5s~

 

[~Shard~]

Who's to say that they're *not* already at 3GHz? The processor may be at 3GHz+ for all we know, they just may not be ready to ship a system with that processor yet. Could be due to power issues, heat issues, or any number of other unknowns.

Jobs said the processor would be at 3.0GHz within a year... not that Apple would necessarily be *shipping* a 3Ghz machine within a year.

Very true - having a chip at a certain clockspeed is one thing - successfully incorporating it into a new system with all the re-engineerting that is required is another.

Regardless, I could still see Jobs making the 3 GHz announcement sometime this summer, keeping his promise. And hey, who knows, maybe, despite all these rumors, new 2.6 GHz PowerMacs won't be released tomorrow, and updates won't occur until WWDC anyway! Unlikely, but it could happen...

 

[xy14]

Who says that the PowerMac G5 will have the 3Ghz processor? Steve said that "We will be looking at 3Ghz within 12 months." Where in that sentence did he mention the PowerMac G5?

 

[jettredmont]

Lol, silly me.
A 350 ghz g4 would indeed be one hell of a machine. Shall I be first to start off the "I want a 350ghz G4 powerbook" posts?

Sadly enough, though, the FSB would still never get above 200MHz ...

 

[quagmire]

I just thought of a very good idea for Jobs can do. Jobs can introduce the 3 Ghz G5 and then have it estimate a September-November shipping date. If apple and ibm still has problems with it they can just delay its shipping. Jobs would have kept his promise by introducing a 3 Ghz G5. It says no where and he said nothing about shipping the 3 Ghz G5.

 

[~Shard~]

I just thought of a very good idea for Jobs can do. Jobs can introduce the 3 Ghz G5 and then have it estimate a September-November shipping date. If apple and ibm still has problems with it they can just delay its shipping. Jobs would have kept his promise by introducing a 3 Ghz G5. It says no where and he said nothing about shipping the 3 Ghz G5.

Way to copy practically word for word what has been said on this and other threads multiple times already, including by myself.