2.6GHz PowerMacs Tomorrow?

[quagmire]

Way to copy practically word for word what has been said on this and other threads multiple times already, including by myself.

Well, I am sorry that I copied you and other people. I only read threads that interest me. Maybe I didn't read that in other threads.

 

[MilesAhead]

this is stupid.
i'm not even going to go into your analogy, because it is just a disaster. you're inconsistent within the analogy, not to mention that it doesn't apply.
but, if there was a substantial chance that they would be unable to deliver on the promise (which there definitely was, even without hindsight), he probably shouldn't have made that promise publicly. pretty irresponsible of him, don't you think?
also, i misspoke when i said the word 'fact'. replace 'fact' with 'guarantee'.
personally, i think 2.6 ghz is plenty fast, and will likely beat out most, if not all, competition. it's just stupid of steve jobs to publicly say they would get to 3ghz, and then not do it. it adversely effects his reputation as a businessman, his companies reputation, and probably adversely effected sales. but, we still may see them, so we'll just have to wait and see.

OK, I won't bother to waste another analogy on you. I will agree that it was foolish for SJ to promise/guarantee/whatever 3GHz, a product that was a year away - an eternity in computer time. The main effect this announcement had was on the .01% of Mac users who obsess over rumor sites and such.

 

[bluefido]

i think they will reach 3 GHz by the end of summer. maybe up to 2.6 now, then by the end of summer have a 2.6, 2.8 and 3.0 maybe?

but they won't release 3.0 at WWDC if they don't tomorrow. that would be stupid. but, it would be steve keeping his word...

mark my words -- iMac G5 this summer.

It is funny to me that you all think Steve Jobs is some kind of benign guru, who always speaks words of wisdom and is true and pure in his Apple ways. I like my Mac, but cmon!! I trust Steve Jobs as much I as I trust Bill Gates, which means very little. Steve Jobs is not our friend. He is not our companion. He is just a man trying to sell us his products. No better than a used cars salesman...though he does sell nice and shiny new computers and mp3 players.

 

[~Shard~]

Well, I am sorry that I copied you and other people. I only read threads that interest me. Maybe I didn't read that in other threads.

No worries bud - just having some fun (see my emoticons)

 

[spankalee]

Steve made the 3Ghz comment twice and it's coming up on being time to deliver, so it's not like Apple can just ignore it and release 2.6Ghz PMs and say "Ok, here's some upgrades." They will almost definitely say something about the clock-speeds. I'd be shocked if they didn't.

Assuming they do say something, what'll it be? Either they say that IBM's been having trouble reaching 3Ghz, or they say they're still working on it.

I think it's still a possibility that 3.0Ghz PMs are announced sometime in September, possibly not shipping will October or November. This will allow Steve to technically keep the "3ghz by the end of the summer" promise and not mess with their customers by coming out with an upgrade just a few months this one.

It was quite uncharistic of Apple to talk about a product that was so far out, but they did - the cat's out of the bag. I think they're kinda obligated so keep their customers informed now.

 

[neonart]

Here is my Guess:

Single 2.2
Dual 2.6
Dual 3.0 (possibly after the others)

Im just using Croquer's speculations and merging them. They actually stated that new G5's would be here Monday or Tuesday before the American sites (on Sat night I think). I'm not a big follower- but it looks like they may have some good info.

Lets see what happens...

 

[bluefido]

Steve made the 3Ghz comment twice and it's coming up on being time to deliver, so it's not like Apple can just ignore it and release 2.6Ghz PMs and say "Ok, here's some upgrades." They will almost definitely say something about the clock-speeds. I'd be shocked if they didn't.

Apple will most certainly NOT mention clock-speeds, especially about not meeting 3Ghz. Why have an announcement about your failure to reach a stated goal? It may not really hurt share prices, but it certainly won't help. And honestly, it is only the hardcore Mac and PC heads that dwell on every tech promise or statistic that Steve Jobs spits out.

Prediction:
Steve Jobs says, "The new G5 is generations faster than any PC you can buy." PC freaks get angry and call Jobs a biased liar. PC magazines and websites then cite statistics that say, "Well, the G5 is certainly one of the fastest machines out there, but...only on certain tests....yada, yada, yada..." And Mac rumor sites, get floods of posts saying G5 is the greatest and just wait until 3.5Ghz comes out...then will show them. Pretty predictable.

 

[IndyGopher]

what i cant understand is that apple would release an update for their 'pro' line tommorow and wait for an update for the g5 imac at a developers convention when the imac is a consumer machine. developers would be more interested in a pro machine than a consumer machine at wwdc.

or whatever...i dont know anything about wwdc. all i know is that macs are the best there is.

The developers might want Pro machines for themselves, but if they aren't developing with the consumer machines in mind then they are shooting themselves in the foot. Only the relatively few Pro applications should REQUIRE a Pro machine. The Apple market is small enough as it is.. if they further restrict their market by developing only for the top end machine, they frankly deserve the grief they will get.

 

[utilizer]

Nope, not joking! But...

I don't know if you are joking around... but my apple guy said "G5s in all macs but Ibooks for WWDC" I assume he didn't mean Ipods. My apple guy is often a LIAR!

I think the Apple guy is smoking a little too much you-know-what if he thinks that the eMac is going to get a G5 anytime soon!

 

[~Shard~]

I think the Apple guy is smoking a little too much you-know-what if he thinks that the eMac is going to get a G5 anytime soon!

A G5 in an eMac?!?! I'd predict you'd be looking at 2006 for that fabled machine...

 

[johnnowak]

When Apple announces products, what time do they usually do it? Should I be looking for it at 12AM PST Tuesday? Or is it usually that night? Afternoon? Morning?

 

[neonart]

When Apple announces products, what time do they usually do it? Should I be looking for it at 12AM PST Tuesday? Or is it usually that night? Afternoon? Morning?

If there is a press conference ater 9:00 PST, if just a quiet update by 9:00 EST it's ussually up on the site.

 

[ffakr]

AMD: Last June: 1.8GHz Opteron (x44) to This June: 2.4GHz Opteron (x50)
33.3% clock speed increase

2.6GHz G5 will be more than adequately powerful though. It might not be 3GHz, but 90nm has been a thorn for all the semiconductor companies.

This would be true if you compared announce date of the dual G5 to the SHIP date of the Opteron. AMD had also announce faster chips on the horizon at that time. You're making an apples and oranges comparison.

The Dual G5s shipped just before the Athlon64 and AthlonFX. That made the race a 2GHz PPC 970 vs. a 2GHz Athlon64/FX. Since Apple has shipped the Dual 2GHz, AMD has only been able to raise the clock speed of the Athlon/Opteron by 20%
From what I've seen, even the just released Socket 939 Athlon64 3800+ is clocked at 2.4 GHz so don't expect another bump from AMD for a while.

If Apple hits 2.6 GHz they'll be doing well (statistically better than AMD). AMD isn't set to go .09 micron till Q3 so that's probably the next speed bump. If Apple could hit 3.0 GHz by fall, I think they'll be pulling away.

just the humble opinion of a stupid ffakr.

 

[SWC]

There is no version of Virtual PC that runs on a G5.

virtual pc 7...in beta right now.

 

[SWC]

I can honestly see the 2.6 model coming out tomorrow. If they are unable to hit the 3.0 goal that was stated it takes some of the sting out of announcing a machine in front of thousands of people where you fell short of a promise, is it a big deal in the end? not really. I don't know of any technology company that hasn't missed a launch date or two because of unexpected problems it's the nature of the beast. I mean I would love to get a 3 GHz g5 and I’ve been holding out on upgrading my machine until the new model comes out but I’m not going to cry over 400 MHz. It may speed up my render times by 5 seconds, oh well maybe next update, we'll all live, our Macs wont explode if he doesn’t keep his promise.

 

[ffakr]

A G5 in an eMac?!?! I'd predict you'd be looking at 2006 for that fabled machine...

I think the eMac will go G5 soon. Reason? The 970fx is 65mm^2. It's tiny compared to other processors and it's fabbed on 300mm wafers. When the process bugs are worked out (IBM said a while ago they were worked out), then the G5 should cost quite a bit less than a G4 to produce.

Apple has a serious incentive to move the entire Desktop to the G5.
First off.. faster is better
second.. Apple reduces cost whenever they can standardize components, like chipsets.
third.. the more PPC 970s Apple orders, the cheaper they get.. one more economy of scale.

I think the iMac will go G5 by WWDC. The eMac will be running a G5 this fall.

 

[spankalee]

Apple will most certainly NOT mention clock-speeds, especially about not meeting 3Ghz. Why have an announcement about your failure to reach a stated goal? It may not really hurt share prices, but it certainly won't help. And honestly, it is only the hardcore Mac and PC heads that dwell on every tech promise or statistic that Steve Jobs spits out.

Prediction:
Steve Jobs says, "The new G5 is generations faster than any PC you can buy." PC freaks get angry and call Jobs a biased liar. PC magazines and websites then cite statistics that say, "Well, the G5 is certainly one of the fastest machines out there, but...only on certain tests....yada, yada, yada..." And Mac rumor sites, get floods of posts saying G5 is the greatest and just wait until 3.5Ghz comes out...then will show them. Pretty predictable.

I don't think they can just ignore it. And, a statement about it is not necessarily an announcement of failure; they could set themselves up for actually meeting the goal later in the summer without burning a lot of people who buy the machines now.

Like I said, the cat's out of the bag, it's difficult to put it back in. They have to address the issue at some point because sooner or later a reporter will just ask about it.

 

[SWC]

I think the iMac will go G5 by WWDC. The eMac will be running a G5 this fall.

I agree, G5 in an eMac is not at all unrealistic, iMac and PowerMac will still have major advantages over the eMac one being it still uses a CRT monitor in addition to being the weight of a big rig truck.

 

[ffakr]

virtual pc 7...in beta right now.

MS actually changed their story on VPC 7.

original story.. they were being super, extra thorough in debugging (stuck in beta)
last story.. VPC 7 is being held up so that it can ship bundled with Windows XP SP2.

I guess it would be bad press if Macs finally started getting broken into because of Windows.

 

[SWC]

MS actually changed their story on VPC 7.

original story.. they were being super, extra thorough in debugging (stuck in beta)
last story.. VPC 7 is being held up so that it can ship bundled with Windows XP SP2.

I guess it would be bad press if Macs finally started getting broken into because of Windows.

SP2 is on track for an RC2 release very soon. usually 3 RC's per service pack or os beta based on previous expierience sometimes 2 is all goes well. So we will definitely see it this year I would guess in Fall.

 

[thedogcow]

Quick Complaining

I'm am sick and tired of "Well Steve Jobs said.... BLAH BLAH BLAH"

**** Happens.

Deal with it. If they release a 2.6GHz versus a 3.0GHZ, the difference of 400MHz is NOT significant.

Seriously. 400MHz. Will that help you look at pron faster? Will that improve the fact that you still live in your mothers basement?

I'm looking at switchers. Long time mac customers such as myself have been through the thick and the thin with Apple. I am not going to allow 400MHz to cause a freak out.

 

[dr.Zoidberg]

xmas in june....

its kinda like xmas...c'mon Santa Jobs.....please bring me a Rev. B G5......2.6 3.0 3.2 1.8 doesnt really matter, just want more space for drives....maybe we should all go to sleep and when we wake up, something new and great will be waiting for us in the Apple Store.......(for those not on Eastern Standard Time....take a nap, why not?)...All i want from Santa Jobs is a Rev. B G5....(sing along all)

 

[psingh01]

If new powermacs will be released tomorrow (or later today) then there is no way new powermacs will be released at WWDC. It makes no sense to release 2.6ghz tomorrow and 3ghz in 3 weeks.

What I think if this is true: 2.6ghz will be quietly updated tomorrow and demoed at WWDC. The reason for the queit release before the WWDC is to say "don't expect 3ghz powermacs at WWDC, this is what you are getting so be happy"

Because we all know anything short of a dual 3ghz machine at WWDC will be a disappointment, this is a way to pre-emptively soften the blow.

 

[Maxwell Devine]

Dual 1.8 $2199
Dual 2.0 $2499
Dual 2.2 $2799
Dual 2.4 $3099
Dual 2.6 $3399 (or evev $3499)

If Apple was to subsequently (at MacWorld Paris, as some have suggested) introduce a dual 3.0 model, it would likely have to be priced at $4499. I'm no expert on this, but I think this puts it well into the workstation price range.

Wow, I really hope you're wrong! I can't see paying $2199 for a computer that debuted nine months ago (but really one year ago, in single proc. form) for $2499? And a $500 drop on the year old 2 Ghz is just not enough.

In order for me to whip out my credit card tomorrow (if they are in stock at "the Grove," in West Hollywood, where I plan to be at 10AM b/c I'm a giant dork), I hope to find the following:

Single 1.6 -- discounted to $1299 like for ADC
Dual 1.8 -- discounted to around $1599
Dual 2.0 -- discounted to around $1799

Dual 2.2 -- $1999 (around same price as single proc. one year ago, give or take $100, only this time w/ built in Bluetooth and WiFi -- like the new PBs)
Dual 2.4 -- $2499
Dual 2.6 -- $2999

Again, the Rev. As really need to come down in price. They've been out for a year, they're tired, and need to be taken off store shelves by now (they're still more than super in your home).

If I can get a dual 2.2 for under 2K, I'm buying (just like when the Dual MDDs came out two summers ago and featured a dual 867 for under 2K), but if I can get a 1.6 super cheap I'm might pick one up and use the money I've saved to buy a pair of sweet Martin Logan speakers I've been drooling over for months...

BRING IT ON! Woohoo!

 

[dr.Zoidberg]

My first post-that felt good

but seriously, Rev.B G5's.......i'm buying one. and 3Ghz doesnt matter to me, its about having a model that should be more polished, and for what we will be paying....peace of mind in knowing that hopefully all those little problems we have read so much about will have been worked out. i'd settle for a dual 1.6 at this point, it seems to me the dual is the key, not the Ghz's......