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If you implode your stadium, I think it has gone beyond "renovations". I think that has crossed into "new stadium" territory. :)

Yeah it's sort of ridiculous. They didn't really tell anyone the extent of the "renovations" they were doing until a couple of weeks ago. Season ticket holders were under the impression that it was going to be a gut-and-rebuild type of thing until this implosion was announced.

There's quite a bit of anger because a lot of the old timers, who have been loyal season ticket holders for 50 years (through three-to-four decades of horrific football from the 60's to the early 2000's), won't have comparable seats after the new construction is complete AND will have to pay a lot more for them.

Progress. :rolleyes:

Where will TCU play next year? I noticed the new stadium won't be finished until the 2012 season.

They are supposed to finish the bottom bowl by the start of next season so they can have seating all the way around, but the capacity will probably only be about 20-25k, then they'll finish out the suites and the upper deck during the next offseason.

It will be interesting to see if they make their deadline, and what sort of shape the stadium is in during next season.

that is strange they choose to do that because they just recently spent a huge chunk of money doing an expansion on it. It was only finished like 2 years ago or so. I worked for the company that did it.

I think what you are talking about is the "Dutch Meyer Athletic Complex" (field house, coaches' offices, luxury suites, etc.) that is on the south end of the field. That wasn't touched in the implosion.

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Full Disclosure: Auburn Grad, and I really don't follow college football much at all outside of watching Auburn. However...

I find it interesting all of the hatred that is coming out over Cam Newton and the alleged things going on between him (his father) and Mississippi State, and on with Auburn. If there was such a big infraction, why was nothing said until halfway into the season (after the win against Mississippi State)? If there was such egregious rule-breaking going on, that Mississippi State was aware of months before...why keep it quiet until November?

I also find it interesting that in many discussions on this very forum site (check out PRSI), a large number of people will fight to the death for "innocent until proven guilty beyond even the slightest doubt" when a story comes up about someone being jailed for shooting someone else. People demand exact sources of pointed evidence, not just "he said, she said". But you jump all over this like you know for certain that the Auburn team is a bunch of criminal misfits (OK, no one said they all were), while the people who are dealing with the situation say they do not have enough evidence to convict the guy of wrongdoing. But, of course...you DO know what happened.

A lot of the posts are about how the BCS did everything to keep TCU down (btw, there are a lot of boners for TCU in this thread) and keep them out of the bowl. Why is it, then, that every ranking on ESPN's site (BCS, USA Today, AP, and ESPN.com) has Oregon and Auburn in the top 2, with TCU #3? As I said before, I don't really follow college football and don't know every stat and every play made in every game (because I frankly don't care), so you tell me. Apparently, it's a national conspiracy.

I am aware that the father and Kenny Rogers admit to asking for money, but it IS possible that Cam had no knowledge of this. I know my father and family have done a lot of things in my past that I have known nothing about to get me ahead. Does that make me a bad person as well?

As an obvious outsider to the whole thing, I'd really like to know how everyone is so 100% convinced of wrongdoing on Cam's part? I'm admittedly seeing it with some rose(auburn?)-tinted glasses.
 
I'd really like to know how everyone is so 100% convinced of wrongdoing on Cam's part? I'm admittedly seeing it with some rose(auburn?)-tinted glasses.

Because it's the SEC - everyone cheats in that conference!

::stirs pot vigorously::
 
I don't believe for one second that Cam Newton was unaware of anything
And I believe the receiving stolen property and multiple cheating offenses speak more about his character than his award winning smile

No, I don't give him the benefit of the doubt at all
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and his dad has admitted his corruption in pimping out his mercenary son

I think Gene Frenette from the Florida-Times Union summed it up pretty well

Link to Blog post

After more agonizing over my Heisman Trophy choice than at any time in 24 years, there’s no doubt that Cam Newton deserves the award based solely on his on-field performance.

The dual-threat Auburn quarterback, a super-sized Tim Tebow, blows the field away. His 2010 numbers are as powerful and impressive as any in recent memory.

But since the Heisman Trust ask its voters to recognize the “outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity,” I’m duty-bound to honor that newly instituted integrity clause.

I’m sorry, Auburn fans, but after the NCAA confirmed from its investigation this week that Newton’s father, Cecil, solicited his son in a pay-for-play scheme to attend Mississippi State, that’s a game-changer for this voter. I cannot, in good conscience, put Newton on my ballot, though he may still win the Heisman in a runaway.

It doesn’t matter if the other 924 voters agree, or if I must go on that limb alone, it’s impossible for me to ignore that Cam — however impressive he’s been in leading Auburn to a perfect season — had a father engage in a despicable auction for his services.

Please, spare me the self-righteous indignation. The “integrity” clause is purely subjective, to be interpreted as each voter deems fit. Others may be fine with voting for Newton because the NCAA says it couldn’t find evidence that Cam knew of his father’s scam, and that is their call. My colleagues are entitled to that view without me ridiculing them for it.

Before the NCAA reinstated Newton, I was willing to not let what happened two years ago at Florida — the purchase of a stolen computer or multiple cheating allegations that Cam never denied — eliminate him from consideration. A lot of growing up takes place between the ages of 19-21.

Until more evidence from the investigation surfaced, I didn’t want to penalize Newton for actions that took place two schools ago.

Though the NCAA hasn’t found him in violation of its rules yet, the Southeastern Conference, whose leader is obsessed about erasing its cheating reputation, publicly said Cecil’s actions were unacceptable. Well, duh!

SEC commissioner Mike Slive says the NCAA made the right decision. Yeah, pretty convenient for his league to not lose its best player while pursuing another national title. Not to mention that NCAA investigations which typically take years to complete suddenly made a quick, favorable ruling for Newton.

It seems every time a layer is peeled away from CamGate, the odor becomes more intense.

Given what is now known beyond dispute, it’s impossible for me not to penalize Cam for his father’s sins. Is it not that way in real life? If a father breaks the law and goes to jail, do not his children suffer in lost income and lost quality time?

Think about Southern Cal’s football team. The Trojans are now suffering with NCAA probation for violations committed five years ago by Reggie Bush, who gave back his Heisman to avoid the embarrassment of having it stripped away.

It’s been documented that Cam Newton wanted to go play for Dan Mullen at Mississippi State before his father steered him toward Auburn. Does the NCAA really think we’re so naïve that Cam didn’t have suspicions about why Dad wanted to go against his wishes?

You might argue that’s taking an unfair leap in a conspiracy theory, but for me, it passes the beyond-reasonable-doubt test. Cam had to know, or at least suspect, Dad was dirty.

So for that reason, my Heisman ballot, in order, will be: Oklahoma State receiver Justin Blackmon, Boise State quarterback Kellen Moore and Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck. I know Blackmon is not high on everybody’s Heisman Watch list, but the nation’s top wideout excelled against better competition than Moore or Luck.

There’ll be no regret on my part if Newton wins the Heisman and gets to keep it.

Hey, I’m just trying to follow the Heisman rule about integrity. The person who should be sorry is Cecil Newton.

He’s the one who put his son in a bad spot.
 
I'll bet they look awesome. Their white and grey uniforms that they wore yesterday have to be one of the coolest I've seen.

I'm from the old school, and prefer more traditional uniforms. I don't know if it's true, but supposedly Darrell Royal at Texas once said when asked about putting stripes on the Longhorn uniforms:

"Hell, no. I'm not going to candy this thing up. These are work clothes."
 
I'll bet they look awesome. Their white and grey uniforms that they wore yesterday have to be one of the coolest I've seen.

Oregon Duck Uniform Tracker for 2010

This one from yesterday isn't bad
But most of the others are just fugly

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I'm from the old school, and prefer more traditional uniforms. I don't know if it's true, but supposedly Darrell Royal at Texas once said when asked about putting stripes on the Longhorn uniforms:

"Hell, no. I'm not going to candy this thing up. These are work clothes."

Apparently the Ducks have one with stripes...

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Full Disclosure: Auburn Grad, and I really don't follow college football much at all outside of watching Auburn. However...

I find it interesting all of the hatred that is coming out over Cam Newton and the alleged things going on between him (his father) and Mississippi State, and on with Auburn. If there was such a big infraction, why was nothing said until halfway into the season (after the win against Mississippi State)? If there was such egregious rule-breaking going on, that Mississippi State was aware of months before...why keep it quiet until November?

I also find it interesting that in many discussions on this very forum site (check out PRSI), a large number of people will fight to the death for "innocent until proven guilty beyond even the slightest doubt" when a story comes up about someone being jailed for shooting someone else. People demand exact sources of pointed evidence, not just "he said, she said". But you jump all over this like you know for certain that the Auburn team is a bunch of criminal misfits (OK, no one said they all were), while the people who are dealing with the situation say they do not have enough evidence to convict the guy of wrongdoing. But, of course...you DO know what happened.

A lot of the posts are about how the BCS did everything to keep TCU down (btw, there are a lot of boners for TCU in this thread) and keep them out of the bowl. Why is it, then, that every ranking on ESPN's site (BCS, USA Today, AP, and ESPN.com) has Oregon and Auburn in the top 2, with TCU #3? As I said before, I don't really follow college football and don't know every stat and every play made in every game (because I frankly don't care), so you tell me. Apparently, it's a national conspiracy.

I am aware that the father and Kenny Rogers admit to asking for money, but it IS possible that Cam had no knowledge of this. I know my father and family have done a lot of things in my past that I have known nothing about to get me ahead. Does that make me a bad person as well?

As an obvious outsider to the whole thing, I'd really like to know how everyone is so 100% convinced of wrongdoing on Cam's part? I'm admittedly seeing it with some rose(auburn?)-tinted glasses.

I'll bite.

1) SEC commissioner Mike Slive announced a few years ago he wanted no more SEC schools turning each other into the NCAA, as happened between Tennessee and Alabama a few years ago. He instructed all SEC schools to turn in any known infractions to the SEC, and the conference would investigate and turn it over to the NCAA if necessary. Our (MSU) Athletic Director reported the whole incident with Cecil Newton to the SEC in Jan. 2010. The SEC replied that they wanted more information on the case. More info was provided to the SEC in July 2010. Part of the delay was because we were dealing with eligibility for two basketball players, and we had a change in ADs during that time. The SEC then sat on it until at some point, the NCAA got involved in the investigation. The story didn't really hit the mainstream media until a couple of reporters from ESPN reported on it in October.

2) Cam may be completely innocent, however there is a lot of circumstantial evidence. There are a lot of things that don't make sense. Cam had come out and said he liked Dan Mullen, liked the school, and wanted to play for Mullen. Then, as he even said, at the dinner table one night, his dad says "It's Auburn". So, was Cam unable to make his own decision? This 20 year old guy let his dad make this big of a decision for him? As I said before, it has been proven (witnessed by the NCAA ruling against Cecil Newton) that Cecil Newton tried to solicit money from MSU and was denied. Did he then see the error of his ways, repent, and decide to let Cam go to Auburn for free? Why would he try to get money from one school and not the other?
 
I'm from the old school, and prefer more traditional uniforms.

Me, too but (perhaps unbeknownst to Coach Royal) stripes are old school as hell. I thought Oregon State's unis yersterday were awesomely old school (stripes and all). I don't love the matte helmet, but the rest was great.

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Looks like we won. ;)

Boomer Sooner

does not change the fact that OU sucks.

Besides it what can be said A&M beat both teams. What does that say.

I could easily argue that even in a 3 way tie A&M should of gone on to play for Big 12 champainship.

OU lost to Nebraska. OSU lost to Nebraska. A&M beat Nebraska.

OU lost to A&M, OSU beat A&M, OU beat OSU.

So lets look at the other game all 3 played. A&M came out on top.
 
Cam may be awesome, but he will never be anywhere near Tebow's level of class, or all around legacy.

I think a little bit of breakfast just came up in the back of my throat.

Looks like we won. ;)

Boomer Sooner

Clearly, the better team won. Looking at the stats, I'm surprised the margin was only 3 points - but OU spent most of the second half playing defense more than offense.

So lets look at the other game all 3 played. A&M came out on top.

Yup. Have fun in Dallas next month, Mr. Sour Grapes. :cool:
 
They must not have considered that a major renovation. That link says the stadium was built in 1930 and had not had a major renovation since 1956.

Must of been something else at TCU that collapsed during construction to do bad engineering design of the embeds. I saw the video of it before it any new companies ran it. Wonder if that was on the new stadium.

I know it was part of the TCU stadium that they added the extra seats to and it was supposed to be free hanging but after the fact they added some massive columns.
 
Yup. Have fun in Dallas next month, Mr. Sour Grapes. :cool:

hey hey I am just glad that TTU made it to a bowl game.

As for OU and Nebraska they are the 2 teams I either wanted to loss or not be allowed into big 12 champisionchip.

Neb for leaving the big 12. OU because it well sucks. Also OU can not get around the fact that A&M beat both them and Nebraska before hand. A&M got the short end of the stick this year.
 
OU can not get around the fact that A&M beat both them and Nebraska before hand. A&M got the short end of the stick this year.

There's nothing to get around. You expect every division winner to be undefeated? No? Then having a loss or two on your record isn't the issue; no, it's sour grapes because we once again came out on top and delivered another championship - seven total. That's nearly half of the total since the league came into existence, and more than twice as many as any other team.

Yeah, we must really suck. :rolleyes:
 
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OU clearly doesn't suck...they're just not the best team in the Big 12 this year ;)

Rodimus Prime said:
Must of been something else at TCU that collapsed during construction to do bad engineering design of the embeds. I saw the video of it before it any new companies ran it. Wonder if that was on the new stadium.

I know it was part of the TCU stadium that they added the extra seats to and it was supposed to be free hanging but after the fact they added some massive columns.

Read my last post. The new part you're talking about didn't get imploded.
 
There's nothing to get around. You expect every division winner to be undefeated? No? Then having a loss or two on your record isn't the issue; no, it's sour grapes because we once again came out on top and delivered another championship - seven total. That's nearly half of the total since the league came into existence, and more than twice as many as any other team.

Yeah, we must really suck. :rolleyes:

Now the question becomes "Can Stoops remember how to win a BCS bowl?"
 
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