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2018 iPad Pro Models May Feature TrueDepth Camera for Face ID
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I can't disagree with the premise that a rear-facing 3D camera makes a lot of sense. I expect we'll see it as utilization of the 3D camera for AR, etc. is embraced. However, I think they made the right choice to introduce this first to the front camera - Face ID will have near-universal use, and I expect gesture- and expression-based control of the UI will soon follow. However, AR does not have such near-universal application.
Further, projecting a matrix of dots over any distance requires substantially more power, and the greater the distance, the wider the spread among dots and hence, the lower the resolution of the depth measurements. In other words, like the use of built-in flash, it will likely have a limited useful range of perhaps 10-15 feet. I'd expect that dual-lens back cameras (parallax-based depth sensing) are likely to be more useful than a projected dot matrix.
No updates here. As much I dig my 2017 iPP for drawing (when I do draw, haven't been able to lately), I don't see myself updating again for years, if at all.
Going forward, my Apple funds will be used primarily to replace my iMac. Any iDevices will be the cheapest and best I can swing for my eye sight.
Touch ID is enough for me especially sine this iPad stays at home. I understand my needs are just that, mine alone.
Whatever they do with iPads, I really Apple doesn't raise the price. They're already too expensive.
Going forward, my Apple funds will be used primarily to replace my iMac. Any iDevices will be the cheapest and best I can swing for my eye sight.
Touch ID is enough for me especially sine this iPad stays at home. I understand my needs are just that, mine alone.
Whatever they do with iPads, I really Apple doesn't raise the price. They're already too expensive.
I’m torn on the idea.
It would be a good combination with the Apple Pencil to open Notes without having to TouchID first.
But I have reservations...
First, the notch and the terrible interface around it would be horrific on a device you commonly use in vertical mode with keyboards. Hopefully, the terrible feedback post launch will make Apple re-think this design decision. Just keep the notch for the login screen. It’ll be iconic, and that’s enough without messing with interface.
Second, I’m not convinced face ID is good for things like 1password. Could be too each for someone to open without your knowledge and conciencously pressing.
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Nice work.
I really hope they don’t keep the notch for the iPad. It’s bad enough on the upcoming iphone X
It would be a good combination with the Apple Pencil to open Notes without having to TouchID first.
But I have reservations...
First, the notch and the terrible interface around it would be horrific on a device you commonly use in vertical mode with keyboards. Hopefully, the terrible feedback post launch will make Apple re-think this design decision. Just keep the notch for the login screen. It’ll be iconic, and that’s enough without messing with interface.
Second, I’m not convinced face ID is good for things like 1password. Could be too each for someone to open without your knowledge and conciencously pressing.
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Can't wait, will be a nice upgrade. Hoping for something just like this.
Nice work.
I really hope they don’t keep the notch for the iPad. It’s bad enough on the upcoming iphone X
That's just a copied picture from Google. Not from me, I just remembered seeing a mock up. I don't mind the notch in both instances.
In general, this is an easy prediction for Kuo to make. It will come true.....eventually. If iPhone X is the future, then Touch ID is definitely an endangered species and will be removed from the iPad at some point. But let's step back for a second and think about this:
1) Most analysts agree at this point that due to Face ID sensor availability.....or lack thereof.....iPhone X orders aren't going to catch up until sometime in the first half of next year. I doubt that Apple is going to launch Face ID on any iPad models during that time, as they will need all the sensor production they can get for iPhone X. I don't think the tech in iPhone X is anywhere near ready for true mass production yet.
2) iPad Pro was just updated in June of 2017, and it seems like they've moved to an "every year and a half or so" update schedule for iPads. So I'm taking any predictions saying anything about new iPads before fall/holiday 2018 with a huge grain of salt.
3) iPhone first came out in 2007. 2017 is when iPhone X launched. The "standard" sized 9.7" iPad came out in 2010, with one year in there where they released two models. Kind of makes the case for a true iPad X to come out in 2019 or even 2020 when they can really get the production lines rolling on these insanely sophisticated camera arrays. Not that Apple cares about sticking to strict timelines or naming conventions--after all, they are skipping iPhone 9 completely as far as we're all aware.
I don't know, just spitballing here, but June 2018 doesn't seem likely to me. Make no mistake though--Face ID is going to come to all iOS devices (and probably Macs too) eventually. Touch ID's days are numbered.
1) Most analysts agree at this point that due to Face ID sensor availability.....or lack thereof.....iPhone X orders aren't going to catch up until sometime in the first half of next year. I doubt that Apple is going to launch Face ID on any iPad models during that time, as they will need all the sensor production they can get for iPhone X. I don't think the tech in iPhone X is anywhere near ready for true mass production yet.
2) iPad Pro was just updated in June of 2017, and it seems like they've moved to an "every year and a half or so" update schedule for iPads. So I'm taking any predictions saying anything about new iPads before fall/holiday 2018 with a huge grain of salt.
3) iPhone first came out in 2007. 2017 is when iPhone X launched. The "standard" sized 9.7" iPad came out in 2010, with one year in there where they released two models. Kind of makes the case for a true iPad X to come out in 2019 or even 2020 when they can really get the production lines rolling on these insanely sophisticated camera arrays. Not that Apple cares about sticking to strict timelines or naming conventions--after all, they are skipping iPhone 9 completely as far as we're all aware.
I don't know, just spitballing here, but June 2018 doesn't seem likely to me. Make no mistake though--Face ID is going to come to all iOS devices (and probably Macs too) eventually. Touch ID's days are numbered.
I hope they'll make a version (all versions?) of the iPad Pro focus on landscape orientation and keyboard use; taking the opportunity to move the TrueDepth camera to the long edge of the iPad.
In an ideal world, a bezel-free, notched, clamshell iPad Pro would be a fantastic computing device. Think Apple's spin on the new Pixelbook.
In an ideal world, a bezel-free, notched, clamshell iPad Pro would be a fantastic computing device. Think Apple's spin on the new Pixelbook.
A11X?
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Maybe the large screen real estate “wasted” but idk bc i dont use an ipad pro for my work.
I was actually thinking they could release iPhone 9 and iPhone 11 next year. 9 is the final iteration of the pre 10 design and 11 being the continuation of the 10 design.
I would like to see release an ‘iPhone Classic’ which is essentially an iPhone 8 to fill the ~$400-600 price and then ‘iPhone’ with the model year being the way to identify being ~$700-900
i really hope if they put faceID in ipad, at least be close to this concept. Or at least same bezels side bezels from 10.5" top and bottomCan't wait, will be a nice upgrade. Hoping for something just like this.
How are those special individuals who put bandaids or sticky notes to cover their FaceTime/iSight camera on their MacBooks going to react to this??
As someone else already noted, the number of iPad Pros produced is far lower than the number of iPhones, so production constraints may not be a major issue. Further, producers will be about 9 months into the ramp-up/learning curve on this hardware by the time they'd have to deliver the parts for a mid-2018 iPad. The worst kinks had better be ironed out by then.
Production of the late 2018 iPhones is just 3 months further down the line from introduction of a hypothetical mid 2018 iPad. Will iPhone 8s (or 9, or whatever it turns out to be) still have Touch ID? If Face ID turns out to be a killer feature, will Apple withhold it from the "normally-priced" product line for two years? If, as Kuo has also recently stated, Apple has an over-two-year head start over the rest of the industry, would they throw that advantage away? Seems unlikely. So, again, supply chain will likely already be well into the ramp-up for that demand.
Perhaps iPad is on an 18-month refresh cycle, but if there seems a compelling reason to move that up, it's not etched in stone, either.
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They'll get larger bandaids or sticky notes. ;-)
All of what you just said could prove to be right. Weirder things have happened.
Reminds me of all the posts around the beginning of the year about what a beast the iPhone X will be; ultimately turned to disappointment for many. Save yourself the heartache and stop fantasising about a perfect iPad.
I hope they do this, so that it can be integrated into the MacBook Pro. Then I'm ready to buy a new machine.
Well given due to the positioning of each model, the ideal pricing that would make sense is:
$549 5.2" iPhone mini
$649 5.8" iPhone
$749 6.4" iPhone Plus
That way it would cover most areas, and allow for models like the SE to be phased out, with older phones taking that price gap. But realistically, it would probably start at an additional $100 for each model.
I predict FaceID on the iPad will come with multi user support. You pick up the family iPad sitting on the living room table, and it unlocks already set to your home screen.
To me that’s about as seamless an experience you can have for a shared device.
To me that’s about as seamless an experience you can have for a shared device.
First of all I did not pray for such thing ( since you quoted me)
Secondly, I believe you are presented with the option not to buy a product that does not satisfy your needs and also I believe they really will not ask for your thoughs when they make such decisions (and I am glad they don’t, that’s one thing I like about Apple)
Would be nice if it become true. My biggest fear is that they'll up the price again. Knowing bean counting Cook it’s more certain than having new form factors.
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They could have been doing that for years. The prospect of selling less devices to a family is what’s holding them back. To be more precise: Greed is what’s holding them back.
Can't wait, will be a nice upgrade. Hoping for something just like this.
People then will complain that it is a blown up iPhone X.
Agreed, the use of Face ID could greatly enhance the multi-user experience. I'd love to see this on Macs, too, but both Apple Watch Auto Unlock and Touch ID on the Touch Bar-equipped MBPs have yet to move beyond single-user/single Apple ID account.
I'll grant that iPads are more likely to be used as a shared device than an iPhone, and in school use, they already are deployed as multi-user devices. However, Face ID is disabled for younger users, so it might not be quite the multi-user solution it could be.
Besides, truly personal, single-user deployment of iOS devices is part of Apple's underlying philosophy. I don't think they're going to retreat on that. The computing revolution is not complete until everyone has full-time access to at least one computing device.
The way I see it is that the 10.5" would see a screen increase, changing aspect ratio at the same time. It doesn't make sense for the 12.9" to increase in size but if it did happen they could do it and still reduce the overall size by making the bezels smaller.
I don’t think that’ll be wise. There seems to be getting even more screen size fragmentation under iOS. It used to be a selling point for developers. Is it easier today to get around all those screen sizes?