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I'm having a bad feeling about things for Pro users.

What we 'know' (not rumors):

1. Display with same name as prior coming out that seems clearly targeted for consumer use (connects to laptops and is glossy).

2. 23" EOL (maybe a rumor).

3. Head of enterprise sales leaving.

4. Macbook Pro with glossy screen (doesn't meet most Pro requirements), so 'Pro' in name only.

Explain to me how this can all turn around with products like towers and displays targeting pro rather than consumer market.

Number TWO 2 = NOT a rumor. It says Discontinued at Apple Store Online.
 
Someone noted earlier in this thread that the new LED Backlit 24" Display is NOT HD. But, from reading the specs online, it says supports 1920x1200 pixels. Doesn't that mean since over 1080 pixels (second number is 1200), that it supports HD? That was my understanding anyways. Please clarify as I am sure you all know this. I want to buy it as soon as the Apple Store here has it. But if I am wrong, I guess I would get a different display as I want a 24" or 30" and want to watch movies on it.

Thanks.
 
Someone noted earlier in this thread that the new LED Backlit 24" Display is NOT HD. But, from reading the specs online, it says supports 1920x1200 pixels. Doesn't that mean since over 1080 pixels (second number is 1200), that it supports HD? That was my understanding anyways. Please clarify as I am sure you all know this. I want to buy it as soon as the Apple Store here has it. But if I am wrong, I guess I would get a different display as I want a 24" or 30" and want to watch movies on it.

Thanks.

I don't think it's classed HD since it's technically not a 16x9 resolution of 1920x1080, but it will quite happily display such a resolution with black bars top and bottom without any quality loss, so I wouldn't worry, it's 1080p capable in all but name...
 
Someone noted earlier in this thread that the new LED Backlit 24" Display is NOT HD. But, from reading the specs online, it says supports 1920x1200 pixels. Doesn't that mean since over 1080 pixels (second number is 1200), that it supports HD? That was my understanding anyways. Please clarify as I am sure you all know this. I want to buy it as soon as the Apple Store here has it. But if I am wrong, I guess I would get a different display as I want a 24" or 30" and want to watch movies on it.

Thanks.

I thought by definition HD had to be greater than 24", not sure where I heard it though...
 
I thought by definition HD had to be greater than 24", not sure where I heard it though...

HD is a measure of pixels, not screen size.

I can notice a big difference between 720p and SD on my 15" MacBook Pro.
 
Ridiculous decision to drop the 23" ACD IMO when the 24" "replacement" won't even currently work with the Mac Pro. Even if they do bring out an adapter, why would I want to replace a Firewire hub for a MagSafe connector?
I've got a 23" ACD hooked up to my Mac Pro and it is, quite simply, the best monitor I've ever used. I was planning on getting a second one but now it looks like I'll be scouring eBay to get hold of one :(
 

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I thought by definition HD had to be greater than 24", not sure where I heard it though...

Well, the reason why I asked too, was it says 23" Apple Cinema HD Display and the 30" says Apple Cinema HD Display. The 20" and the 24" do NOT say Apple Cinema HD Display. So wondering the whole story with this and why the older ACD say it and new one doesn't???
 
I've also been told that techncially DisplayPort and DVI are compatible, however I wouldn't put it past Apple to have deliberately gimped the new Cinema Display so that it ONLY works with the MacBook family (*cough* MacBook Air SuperDrive *cough*)


And any Mini/Apple TV updates or 'transitions' as they were euphemistically called earlier this year. Part of me thinks this display is really intended, or at least a step upon the road, to being the mythical Apple television that people have been quiet about recently; part of the integrated Web/TV space that manufacturers and OS vendors are itching to find the holy grail for.
 
Adapters will come. The display haven't even shipped yet and everybody jumps all over Apple. Apple may even include an adapter or 2 with the display—DVI to mini DisplayPort is easily possible.

According to Apple's site, there are no adapters in the box and the list of compatible machines is very small too...
 

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Well, the reason why I asked too, was it says 23" Apple Cinema HD Display and the 30" says Apple Cinema HD Display. The 20" and the 24" do NOT say Apple Cinema HD Display. So wondering the whole story with this and why the older ACD say it and new one doesn't???

HD Display is just some marketing term for a display that can show enough pixels...

Everyone considers 1920 x 1080 pixels to be true HD, and any display with the same amount of pixels or more is automatically "HD".
The 20" is only 1680 x 1050, so it doesn't meet that criteria.
The LED 24" does, (same 1920 x 1200 as the HD 23) but I don't think calling a computer display HD is really all that strong marketing.

Just wondering what Apple does have up its sleeves for a new 23/24"-ish display for teh Mac Pro:
1) new grfx card (ATI Radeon 4870 anybody..?) with Display Port to connect this LED 24", or
2) new DVI 24" LED display which will carry all new Apple Displays in the world of LED backlit and glossy...?? :confused:
 
It looks like in the US right now you can't buy a 1920x1200 resolution display from Apple direcly.

It's hard to imagine they would do this unless something was coming for the Mac Pro soon.
 
Funny how a TV with 1280x720 is still HD though

I hate that too.
1280 x 720 is better than PAL plus, but worse than "true" HD: 1920 x 1080...

It looks like in the US right now you can't buy a 1920x1200 resolution display from Apple direcly.

It's hard to imagine they would do this unless something was coming for the Mac Pro soon.

That's what I meant with my 2 options:
Just wondering what Apple does have up its sleeves for a new 23/24"-ish display for teh Mac Pro:
1) new grfx card (ATI Radeon 4870 anybody..?) with Display Port to connect this LED 24", or
2) new DVI 24" LED display which will carry all new Apple Displays in the world of LED backlit and glossy...??
 
Can't imagine why a 24" LED Backlit display with a DVI connector wouldn't be doable.
 
HD Display is just some marketing term for a display that can show enough pixels...

Everyone considers 1920 x 1080 pixels to be true HD, and any display with the same amount of pixels or more is automatically "HD".
The 20" is only 1680 x 1050, so it doesn't meet that criteria.
The LED 24" does, (same 1920 x 1200 as the HD 23) but I don't think calling a computer display HD is really all that strong marketing.

Just wondering what Apple does have up its sleeves for a new 23/24"-ish display for teh Mac Pro:
1) new grfx card (ATI Radeon 4870 anybody..?) with Display Port to connect this LED 24", or
2) new DVI 24" LED display which will carry all new Apple Displays in the world of LED backlit and glossy...?? :confused:

It's clear this display isn't for Mac Pro. It is already printed on the packaging it would appear. Therefore, there is a different display for Mac Pro or no 23/24 for Mac Pro.
 
LED 24" Non-Glossy = No iSight

I really hope that the new cinema displays aren't just glossy and that they offer a matte finish as well.

A principal design problem with the new glossy 24" LED backlit display and the glossy displays on the new MacBook Pros is that to convert these displays to a non-glossy display would obscure the embedded iSiight camera.

I was in an Apple store and the Apple customer support offered the solution of applying a matte screen filter to cover the glossy screen. When I asked about obscuring the iSight camera, he stammered and then admitted "that would be a problem".

Sounds like an opportunity for an enterprising entrepeneur...
 
I hate that too.
1280 x 720 is better than PAL plus, but worse than "true" HD: 1920 x 1080...

1280x720 is technically still an HD format; so yes it is HD. 1920x1080 has been called "full HD" rather stupidly by vendors and manufacturers. By all technical merits, 720p IS a HD signal.

(and yes I was wrong about the MiniDisplayPort) Apple has borked again and come up with some stupid ass proprietary connector. It won't be so bad if they actually make a mini to standard display port adapter - just so long as the rest of the display manufacturers follow.

-mark
 
Here's the weird thing: this situation is such that if, for example, you have a Macbook Pro and a Mac Pro you may need to buy 2 monitors?

This seems complicated and unApple-like.
 
It's clear this display isn't for Mac Pro. It is already printed on the packaging it would appear. Therefore, there is a different display for Mac Pro or no 23/24 for Mac Pro.

I am not so sure...
OK, it is not printed now, but could be shortly:
Steve said during his last Keynote that all future Apple products will use Display Port.
For the Mac Pro, it is simply about a new grfx card, with Display Port. This one has one already.
The fact there has been talk about a ATi Radeon 4870 for Mac (false rumor or not..), gives us more speculation about these kind of hardware changes for MWSF '09.
 
I hope the eol'd 23" ACD will be reborn at MWSF 09 along with the a revised matte 20" and 30" ACD.

If these displays go glossy as well, I can see masses of unhappy people venting their rage.

You wish!

I do. I have a problem with CRT or glossy screens as the reflection gave me a headache when using them. Even wearing glasses with an anti-glare coating, if I work too long I still get a slight headache.

When using matte screens I don't have that problem.
 
It's possible, however... the fact Apple announced a whole load of Mini DisplayPort to DVI, VGA adapters while at the same time deciding not to confirm or deny whether they intend to make an adapter for existing DVI Macs is what worries me.

I've also been told that techncially DisplayPort and DVI are compatible, however I wouldn't put it past Apple to have deliberately gimped the new Cinema Display so that it ONLY works with the MacBook family (*cough* MacBook Air SuperDrive *cough*)

It's the lack of information from Apple which drives me up the wall. Either say they're compatible with the Mac Pro or not, don't leave us all wondering. Realistically, the only way we're going to know is when one finally arrives with one of the tech sites who will no doubt try everything possible to see if it'll work with DVI... seemingly Apple think's its awfully difficult to just say yes or no.

/rant

It is also being marketed soley as a "new mac notebook" accessory. I don't see any reason to do such a thing if it will be able to be used with current systems.
 
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