24'' LED Cinema and In-Ear Headphones Shipping Soon?

[avkills]

A principal design problem with the new glossy 24" LED backlit display and the glossy displays on the new MacBook Pros is that to convert these displays to a non-glossy display would obscure the embedded iSiight camera.

I was in an Apple store and the Apple customer support offered the solution of applying a matte screen filter to cover the glossy screen. When I asked about obscuring the iSight camera, he stammered and then admitted "that would be a problem".

Sounds like an opportunity for an enterprising entrepeneur...

Give me a break! My current MacBook Pro has a non-glossy screen and an iSight. Glossy screens suck for design and image work.

-mark

 

[Rocketfella]

Or maybe even no Mac Pro...

Yes, I know! I personally would be in deep do-do.

 

[MacsRgr8]

1280x720 is technically still an HD format; so yes it is HD. 1920x1080 has been called "full HD" rather stupidly by vendors and manufacturers. By all technical merits, 720p IS a HD signal.

(and yes I was wrong about the MiniDisplayPort) Apple has borked again and come up with some stupid ass proprietary connector. It won't be so bad if they actually make a mini to standard display port adapter - just so long as the rest of the display manufacturers follow.

-mark

If you buy a HD TV you'll expect to be able to watch "full" HD (such a bad term... "full"). Many folks haven't got a clue what pixels are, and are so easily mislead in buying a "non-full" HD TV..

About the mini Display Port, I wouldn't be that negative.
Once a Mac Pro gets the normal Display Port connector it sure will be the standard one. Using a mini version (like mini DVI before) is logical on a laptop.

 

[NATO]

I am not so sure...
OK, it is not printed now, but could be shortly:
Steve said during his last Keynote that all future Apple products will use Display Port.
For the Mac Pro, it is simply about a new grfx card, with Display Port. This one has one already.
The fact there has been talk about a ATi Radeon 4870 for Mac (false rumor or not..), gives us more speculation about these kind of hardware changes for MWSF '09.

Very true, I thought of that but then I remember the fiasco when the NVidia 8800GT came out for the Mac Pro, how they only implemented a version which would only work in Early 2008 Mac Pros, and it was only after an outcry that they backtracked and created a version which earlier Mac Pros could use. I'm thinking they might end up trying to gimp any graphics card upgrade to force people to buy new systems...

I know I'm being awfully sceptical, but Apple has proven time and again that this is how they do things...

 

[SpinThis!]

According to Apple's site, there are no adapters in the box and the list of compatible machines is very small too...

And your point is? What's on the site now and its contents doesn't mean it's necessarily in stone—Apple has a right to change their mind at any time.

I hate that too.
1280 x 720 is better than PAL plus, but worse than "true" HD: 1920 x 1080

Wikipedia defines HD as anything better than 720 vertical lines or better and I would tend to agree with it. If we're going by broadcast standards, ABC and Fox also define HD as 720p since their broadcasts 720p.

 

[e-coli]

apple is making some very silly decisions at the moment...

Yes. Like the new headphones being incompatible with the 3G iPhone! What on earth is going on over there?

How can you make all your own hardware AND software but have technology that's incompatible with each other, or worse than the previous generation.

As a shareholder, I'm selling. They're not making any friends this way.

 

[Phil A.]

And your point is? What's on the site now and its contents doesn't mean it's necessarily in stone—Apple has a right to change their mind at any time.

My point is I've been doing some research into DisplayPort, and I wouldn't expect adapters from DVI computers to DisplayPort monitors any time soon (and if they ever come they aren't going to be simple cables) - DVI and DisplayPort use completely different and incompatible signaling. The reason you can get a DVI adapter for the new Macs is that they are multi-mode capable (basically they include DVI signalling too).

Have a look here for more information...

 

[mandoman]

First the death of firewire on the MB, now the premature death of the 23" ACD. Apple is clearly screwing the Pro's. I wouldn't be surprised if their next move is to discontinue the Mac Pro. Not likely, but that is how I feel like I'm being treated.

Well, I was going to buy a 30" ACD around MWSF, but this move just pisses me off, I'm going to buy a 3rd party MATTE display. Screw you Apple!

Their market direction is really bothersome, pure consumer orientated.

 

[MacsRgr8]

Very true, I thought of that but then I remember the fiasco when the NVidia 8800GT came out for the Mac Pro, how they only implemented a version which would only work in Early 2008 Mac Pros, and it was only after an outcry that they backtracked and created a version which earlier Mac Pros could use. I'm thinking they might end up trying to gimp any graphics card upgrade to force people to buy new systems...

I know I'm being awfully sceptical, but Apple has proven time and again that this is how they do things...

Introducing new standards is always a bumpy ride, and Apple has done the same thing when the 30" ACD was introduced.
It was mandatory to buy the only grfx card then capable of having at least one Dual-link DVI: the GeForce 6800 Ultra.
Now all cards have at least one Dual-link DVI connector, and no-one is talking about it anymore.

Display Port is the new standard of computer display connection. Apple will be the first to make it a big deal, and remove DVI capabilities to get the Display Port a real standard. Sure Mac Pro grfx cards will probably have both, like before: VGA + ADC, VGA + DVI, DVI + ADC.. etc.

My point is I've been doing some research into DisplayPort, and I wouldn't expect adapters from DVI computers to DisplayPort monitors any time soon (and if they ever come they aren't going to be simple cables) - DVI and DisplayPort use completely different and incompatible signaling. The reason you can get a DVI adapter for the new Macs is that they are multi-mode capable (basically they include DVI signalling too).

Have a look here for more information...

Forget adapters.
Yes, they will emerge, but will be terribly expensive (like going from VGA to DVI)...
The change will happen on grfx cards.

 

[akm3]

Whats the point in having a 24" display that only works with 3 products? If all Apple displays like this that means that Mini Display Port will end up on all products, even the Mac Pro. Apple must be absolutely mental if they think people will buy a $20 connector to attach to a normal DVI monitor to there $3000 computer. I guess they will supply both DVI and MDP.

This display will not sell, I can't emphasize that enough. Its not a consumer display because of the price. And whilst it might have amazing picture quality justifying that price like the current displays, it has a glossy screen meaning Pros wont buy it. I wont get into a matte vs. glossy debate, but the bottom line is, pros want matte. This display does not have a target market, other than the few pros who like glossy, and the consumer with more money than brains.

Apple seem to be making products based on what Steve Jobs and Tim Cook likes, and not what buyers like. And Steve Jobs has got major wood for glossy.

Well, I'm a consumer and I'm going to buy two of them...So I guess I have to disagree with you. Although you could argue I have more money than brains I suppose...

To your last point, Apple has famously always made projects that 'they themselves would want to buy', not what market research tells them the public thinks they want. It's worked well for them.

If you just follow the market research, your products end up the same as everyone elses. If you make what YOU want to buy, you can define entire new categories, and suddenly people want what you made instead of what they said they wanted.
"If I asked people what they wanted out of the Model T, the customer would have said a faster horse"

 

[rdowty]

I'm getting one too.

 

[Phil A.]

Forget adapters.
Yes, they will emerge, but will be terribly expensive (like going from VGA to DVI)...
The change will happen on grfx cards.

That's the way I was thinking and it's sort of OK for Mac Pros (although I've only just dropped £170 for an 8800GT card with dual link DVI ports), but what about iMac owners (and I bet Apple won't exactly rush to bring them out for the 1st Gen Mac Pro).
My Mac Pro is now coming up to 2 years old and ordinarily I'd be thinking about replacing it in the new year, but in the current economic climate it's going to have to last me a bit longer (hence the graphics card upgrade). I'll just stick with my single 23" ACD and hopefully it won't break because I really don't want to use a Dell (or similar) monitor but would be short of options if it fails...

 

[MacsRgr8]

First the death of firewire on the MB, now the premature death of the 23" ACD. Apple is clearly screwing the Pro's. I wouldn't be surprised if their next move is to discontinue the Mac Pro. Not likely, but that is how I feel like I'm being treated.

Well, I was going to buy a 30" ACD around MWSF, but this move just pisses me off, I'm going to buy a 3rd party MATTE display. Screw you Apple!

Their market direction is really bothersome, pure consumer orientated.

First of all, what's wrong with the current matte 30' ACD..??
Second, many WANT glossy. And most had to get a Dell or whatever to get a glossy DVI 1920 x 1200 display.
I just hope Apple gives us the option for their future LED displays: glossy or matte.

The Mac Pro is going nowhere, just to Nehalem...

 

[Rocketfella]

It's looking like it may be similar to something Apple did previously. A ~$100 device to make an older display work with a new computer.

In past it was a converter to go from DVI (computer) to ADC (display).

Then, if there are combo video boards with 1 DVI, and 1 DP...

 

[SpinThis!]

I wouldn't expect adapters from DVI computers to DisplayPort monitors any time soon (and if they ever come they aren't going to be simple cables)

This page would seem to contradict your findings claiming:

Aside from DVI's lack of audio support, the two interfaces are fairly compatible. If all goes as planned, consumers will be able to convert from DVI to DisplayPort with a simple adaptor, or use a DVI-to-DisplayPort cable. Expect to see audio-injectors in the near future as well.

Additionally, it claims HDMI and DisplayPort are remarkably similar. If that's true, it should easily be possible to convert DVI -> DisplayPort with a simple adapter, much like you connect DVI -> HDMI now.

 

[Rocketfella]

Just occurred to me: Apple stating, "Holiday product lineup is complete"...

This may only refer to consumer line, as pro line purchases would not be based on Holiday season. Splitting hairs? I don't know.

 

[mandoman]

Current ACD is ok (except for no HDCP) , just pisses me off that they are obviously getting out of making professional high quality displays.
In addition to offering my displeasure here and with direct feedback to Apple, I vote with my wallet by not buying from them. Simple as that.

First of all, what's wrong with the current matte 30' ACD..??
Second, many WANT glossy. And most had to get a Dell or whatever to get a glossy DVI 1920 x 1200 display.
I just hope Apple gives us the option for their future LED displays: glossy or matte.

The Mac Pro is going nowhere, just to Nehalem...

 

[Beric]

This display will not sell, I can't emphasize that enough. Its not a consumer display because of the price. And whilst it might have amazing picture quality justifying that price like the current displays, it has a glossy screen meaning Pros wont buy it. I wont get into a matte vs. glossy debate, but the bottom line is, pros want matte. This display does not have a target market, other than the few pros who like glossy, and the consumer with more money than brains.

Apple seem to be making products based on what Steve Jobs and Tim Cook likes, and not what buyers like. And Steve Jobs has got major wood for glossy.

You pretty much summed it all right up.

I'm in the market for a display right soon. I'll get a Dell. Good and cheap, with a 3-year warranty. What else could you want? BTW, it's half the price of this new Apple display.

 

[grue]

Those weasel sucking idiots.

Does Apple simply hate the customers who kept them in business in the 90s, or what? This thing about the ACD23 being killed off better be false, because that's absolutely unacceptable.

Good job, appeal to the dumbass trend monkeys, piss off the pro users. Brilliant.

 

[grue]

You pretty much summed it all right up.

I'm in the market for a display right soon. I'll get a Dell. Good and cheap, with a 3-year warranty. What else could you want? BTW, it's half the price of this new Apple display.

Because the Dell doesn't use an IPS panel. That's why the Apple units are expensive.

 

[Beric]

Those weasel sucking idiots.

Does Apple simply hate the customers who kept them in business in the 90s, or what? This thing about the ACD23 being killed off better be false, because that's absolutely unacceptable.

Who cares? ACD's cost 3x more than those of identical (or better) quality and same-sized Dells. They were a rip-off when they were first introduced. All about the looks of the frame.

 

[hihater]

Those weasel sucking idiots.

Does Apple simply hate the customers who kept them in business in the 90s, or what? This thing about the ACD23 being killed off better be false, because that's absolutely unacceptable.

Good job, appeal to the dumbass trend monkeys, piss off the pro users. Brilliant.

And why should they have any reason to appeal to snobs like you?

 

[hihater]

Who cares? ACD's cost 3x more than those of identical (or better) quality and same-sized Dells. They were a rip-off when they were first introduced. All about the looks of the frame.

Right no one is forcing you to buy one, who are you to decide what is a rip off.

 

[grue]

Who cares? ACD's cost 3x more than those of identical (or better) quality and same-sized Dells. They were a rip-off when they were first introduced. All about the looks of the frame.

Wrong. Dell uses TN and PVA panels except in the non-widescreen 20", and the 30".

Apple uses S-IPS panels in the Cinema Displays, and they're fairly price competitive when shopped against comparative products by people who know what the difference is.

If you're going to talk smack about a product, try having a clue first.

 

[Beric]

Does the average consumer know or care about IPS? No. Does the average professional want a glossy display? No.

This display has no market, period.