Adobe Announces 2015 Creative Cloud Updates, New Integrated Adobe Stock Service

[MH01]

I pay just over €30 per month for my full CC sub - (teachers/education discount).


If the very simple install procedure is too complicated for people, I doubt they need the professional software in CC. Maybe they should go back to MS Paint!





Yep. For me it works out at €370 per year for my CC sub. As it's my main daily use software for my business - how could anyone complain at around €1 a day.




You could look at educational pricing - it's around half the price per month If your not doing some form of education/training yourself - if you have a relative who is a student or a teacher you can avail through them.

Education discounts are also great for Apple products, though not available to most of us, through legitimate means without having a "friend" who is in an institution.

Removing discounts, as these do not apply to everyone.

Would you pay full price ? Do you think it's worthwhile ?

 

[Shirasaki]

Convoluted install? You install one app and after that only click on button to install any app.

The rest are hardly any technical problems, more your personal opinion.

I am a totally causal user using a handful of PS features, and very few audition features, and use Acrobat most.
I have a subscription too, educational version though.
I hate that panel because every single time i start up Windows, that panel will pop up if I leave it be.
I think the panel should only pop up when it receive updates, not every single time I start up.
Whatever, taking with Adobe is as foolish as talking with Apple.

 

[ginkobiloba]

Tried Affinity Designer, good for the price but clunky (2 step colour picker is infuriating) and can't do some really basic things yet like knockout groups. Plus it's not cross platform so that's a no-no for me.

Remember that Affinity D it's just a version 1. Illustrator has been around forever. I think it's already damn impressive for such a young piece of software. Their speed of development is very steady, and they publish a roadmap of all upcoming enhancements on their forum.

As for a cross-platform versions, don't expect it soon. They said PC versions will only come once all three products ( Designer, Photo, Publisher ) are released, as well as their iPad companions. They probably want to take over the Mac market and become the de-facto serious competitor ( when it comes to those three apps) to Adobe first.

 

[Roykor]

Do you guys really think that this programs make any dent on Adobe? For the better or the worse, there is no competition.

If you work in print all major printing companies will either work with Adobe or Corel. Same goes for your competition and/or collaborations. If you work on web and you do collaboration with other companies or other designers most of the times you will be swapping psd or ia files.

In Europe (well, at least in The Netherlands) Corel is not a big player in the print industry.

 

[MRU]

Education discounts are also great for Apple products, though not available to most of us, through legitimate means without having a "friend" who is in an institution.

Removing discounts, as these do not apply to everyone.

Would you pay full price ? Do you think it's worthwhile ?

If I had to. Yes. It would mean €2 per day. As software I use each day and make a living from - I don't think it's greedy of Adobe to ask as much as they do.

I do think perhaps they could tailor packages so you could perhaps pick and mix what apps you need. That would go someway to alleviating many peoples issues. I don't use 65% of the apps - just 5 that I use regularly and 3 every day.

However there is no denying that are many folks who even if it was only €50 per year - would still refuse to pay and seek a way to get it for nothing. There is definitely a culture of 'expecting something for nothing' with the younger internet generation.

 

[MRU]

Still, my focal point is the issue of how I can access my own property (created content) in say 5, 10, 15, 30 years. You know, things that are utterly important if you don't just create 'fast-food' content.

God I don't think that far ahead - i'm too busy with what I have to do now

 

[twietee]

If I had to. Yes. It would mean €2 per day. As software I use each day and make a living from - I don't think it's greedy of Adobe to ask as much as they do.

I do think perhaps they could tailor packages so you could perhaps pick and mix what apps you need. That would go someway to alleviating many peoples issues.

However there is no denying that are many folks who even if it was only €50 per year - would still refuse to pay and seek a way to get it for nothing. There is definitely a culture of 'expecting something for nothing' with the younger internet generation.

So you get the educational pricing legitimate? No answer needed, but with such a statement I hope you do.

Agreed about tailoring packages, but why should they? You either rent it all or go into your corner/niche and feel cheap.

 

[MH01]

If I had to. Yes. It would mean €2 per day. As software I use each day and make a living from - I don't think it's greedy of Adobe to ask as much as they do.

I do think perhaps they could tailor packages so you could perhaps pick and mix what apps you need. That would go someway to alleviating many peoples issues. I don't use 65% of the apps - just 5 that I use regularly and 3 every day.

However there is no denying that are many folks who even if it was only €50 per year - would still refuse to pay and seek a way to get it for nothing. There is definitely a culture of 'expecting something for nothing' with the younger internet generation.

Thanks. That makes sense.

Also you get tax benefits from a business so I guess you have a great deal.

 

[twietee]

God I don't think that far ahead - i'm too busy with what I have to do now

Just sayin'. No idea what you do but I had that transition once, and it's no fun, that much I can tell you.

 

[Roykor]

Yea, not a really solid solution. Could download torrents for CS6 as well probably

But yep, probably becoming a teacher at university later this year so that may decrease the price for the time coming, although I have no idea how that works when you become one once you already subscribed..

Still, my focal point is the issue of how I can access my own property (created content) in say 5, 10, 15, 30 years. You know, things that are utterly important if you don't just create 'fast-food' content.

Just curious, are you daily opening very old psd files? I am working for 7 years now fulltime as an freelance digital painter. Creating tons of PSD files in a month. It happens that i have to grab a older PSD file for some reference.but thats it. 99,5% that never happens. I think it will be just a single time somewhere on the road.. that u need that specific PSD file you created many years ago. And it will be good possible that your Photoshop can open it, or that other software will. Relaxe a bit Twietee. I think that you are worried to much about the long run far far away. Every piece of software will deal with this problem and is not an Adobe only related thing. No go get yourself some coffee! Enjoy the day

 

[kunwarprithvi]

Adobe has surely been working on something amazing since a bit of time now. The latest updates proves it even more. The document cloud which was recently launched is yet another amazing thing. Sometimes I wonder do individuals really need all the services Adobe provides? and if now, why not to make it an exclusive enterprise product?

 

[Shirasaki]

The photoshop plan is indeed "ok". But as soon as you need 3 programs you have to rent 'em all. Even Adobe Acrobat counts for that..

Nobody I know of bought every single update. Most waited for at least 3-4 years minimum since it was an extremely solid product in itself and only few really helpful tools were introduced each itteration (if at all).

But this ship/discussion sailed a long time ago. The only reason why Adobe could pull this stunt was their de facto monopoly. Now you have people holding onto CS4, 5, 6 and those with CC and it can still end in the same "dilemma" when exchanging files.

version is a pain when I use Office 2013 in China (I do have a study period in China)
Most customers use pirated (absolutely) office 2003,while some of the most also use pirated (absolutely) 2007. Then, if I add something new in 2013, then open it on 2003, disaster would come. Font changes/function missing/layout changes/etc etc...all you could expect.
No way, but convert every single file I have created using 2013 into PDF. Then, fine.
Now, I am back (literally), and gladly see I don't need to use even office 2010 anymore.

 

[MRU]

So you get the educational pricing legitimate? No answer needed, but with such a statement I hope you do.

Agreed about tailoring packages, but why should they? You either rent it all or go into your corner/niche and feel cheap.

Yep part of my work means I am employed by the local education services department which allows me to avail of educational pricing I do a lot of design work for 5 schools around me, as well as typesetting and design layout of books and illustrations / artwork for them

I just put the monthly subscription down as a business expense when submitting my accounts at the end of each year.

 

[twietee]

Just curious, did you open a old psd file from 5 years ago?

Dude, I'm absolutely relaxed

Nope, wasn't Adobe related, but a (major) CAD program. I always shed a tear once in a while when I can't open my old (less than seven years) projects.

If you're an artist for example this model just sux all around. If you just "deliver" a product within a given timeframe to your client that's potentially less worrying, dunno. Plus I'm extremely conservative in those things.

 

[Benjamin Frost]

You are not forced to update. If this version is the last your computer support then stop updating.

Also you can run multiple versions of any CC program.

So what would be the point of subscribing if you couldn't update the software?

This is where a subscription model falls down.

 

[Roykor]

Dude, I'm absolutely relaxed

Nope, wasn't Adobe related, but a (major) CAD program. I always shed a tear once in a while when I can't open my old (less than seven years) projects.

If you're an artist for example this model just sux all around. If you just "deliver" a product within a given timeframe to your client that's potentially less worrying, dunno. Plus I'm extremely conservative in those things.

Yes It is all-ready happening, when ppl stil use CS2 als their daily driver, and deliver "old" files to their clients. Its happening and I see this all over. Also, when i work with other freelancers there is always that "thing". 'Can you deliver me xx in CS6 otherwise i can not open it'. Etc. etc.

 

[RammyXX]

Tried to fix a RAM preview issue in After Effects CC 2015 for about an hour.
Found out Adobe got rid of the RAM preview completely.

10/10 would update again.

 

[SoAnyway]

I was trying so hard to stay out of this thread as it always turns into a massing argument between those for and those against the subscription model, rather than it being about the features that are added.

However, I myself am a freelancer and I pay for the CC subscription. The fee is a pittance, not even an hour of my time. When I first began I didn't have available cash to buy the software I required outright. Once I had been going a while I was however able to generate the necessary funds to purchase it.

The subscription model is perfect for small business and freelancers as it requires a small investment to begin with. Either you need to up your hourly rate or change career. Hell, why not just pay the monthly fee and put it on the clients invoice. If you're good enough at what you do, they'll pay it.

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On topic, looking forward to using the artboards in Photoshop. Going to be very handy with responsive design. Add to that the ability to view the designs on my devices...great new feature.

I luckily had the cash to buy the software upfront. At this point, it's more than paid for. What I charge my clients goes directly in my pocket, no need to give any more to Adobe.

 

[Thunderhawks]

Problem with all subscriptions is that they keep increasing you monthly outlay before you even did anything.
Yes, convenient, but no option with Adobe if one doesn't want to subscribe or want a lesser featured "home" version.
There is something to be said for the old fashioned way: Own it and use it until you feel you need the next version. Like one poster mentioned he used CS1 for about 4-7 years.
Yes, one at least has the option to stretch out updates.
I do the same with software and hardware. Buy it and use it until it is either too slow or there are now so many new features and options that it's worth upgrading.
Adobe is not the only annoying company. There are way too many companies who upgrade what feels like every 5 minutes. (Parallels comes to mind, so I stopped using them)
All these companies take advantage of people's desire to always having to have the latest in fear to miss something.
Understood that everybody has different needs, but I imagine that for example many of the bells and whistles in MS EXCEL are not being used by everybody. Same for other programs.

For all that I care I could still use and do my stuff with Multiplan

 

[jlseattle]

I'm glad that I don't subscribe to Adobe. It's too expensive for indy developers/designers. I am using 3rd party companies and am happy.

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[tobefirst ⚽️]

Hooray. A thread about how terrible the subscription model is. Can someone point me to the thread where those of us who have the software talk about the features of the newest update? Thanks.

 

[arkmannj]

Add me to the choir of folks who are not "buying" into the subscription model.

 

[johngordon]

I tried CC for one month last fall, they even took away some useful features. Where is the export option in bridge and why can't I make the palettes in my application frame smaller than a certain size?

What I don't get is why they can't offer packages similar to the design standard, design premium, web standard, web premium, production standard, etc. collections they offered before the subscription model. Who uses all of the Adobe apps? I just need Acrobat, Illustrator, InDesign and Photoshop. I used to buy the design standard collection update for € 500,- every 2 years, now it' € 720,- every year. That's almost 3 times as much! I don't need or want 20 gb cloud space, I don't even have an iPad for their iPad apps and I prefer Final Cut for editing videos. Give me a € 20-30,-/month design standard subscription and I'll stop complaining.

I agree that some mid tier options would be good, between the Photography option, and everything. I was similar to you in that I had the Design Standard version.

But with the prices you are not comparing like with like - yes, it costs more, but you get a heck of a lot more. Plus you have not factored in the initial cost of Design Standard - wouldn't that have been about €2000?

So old way:

€2000 initial purchase
€500 upgrade every two years

So €3000 would keep you up to date for six years.

New way would cost you €3600

So not that much in it - with the advantages that it is spread out in more manageable chunks, plus you get far more software for your money.

But I would concede that after five years of ownership, the cost of the initial purchase will become less of a factor.

 

[ginkobiloba]

I tried CC for one month last fall, they even took away some useful features. Where is the export option in bridge and why can't I make the palettes in my application frame smaller than a certain size?

What I don't get is why they can't offer packages similar to the design standard, design premium, web standard, web premium, production standard, etc. collections they offered before the subscription model. Who uses all of the Adobe apps? I just need Acrobat, Illustrator, InDesign and Photoshop. I used to buy the design standard collection update for € 500,- every 2 years, now it' € 720,- every year. That's almost 3 times as much! I don't need or want 20 gb cloud space, I don't even have an iPad for their iPad apps and I prefer Final Cut for editing videos. Give me a € 20-30,-/month design standard subscription and I'll stop complaining.

Yeah, if you only need Photoshop ( or another software ), it's probably not so bad. But as soon as you need 3 applications or more, you have no choice but pay the full bundle even if you don't need it, because it costs just as much.

 

[Digital Skunk]

Interesting how they're comparing to CS6 a lot. I suspect a lot of customers are still holding onto their Cs 6 copies such as myself, for as long as possible to avoid the annual subscription payments.

I have CC but I still refuse to let my copy of CS6 go. You never know when hard times will fall.

I've already once had to sell all of my photo and video gear because of hard times and it took me nearly 5 years to get (upgraded) versions all back. The last thing I need is to be without software that I need because I can't make monthly payments.

Although, I find CC to be far worth the monthly fee especially if you're a one-person-crew.