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Tried to fix a RAM preview issue in After Effects CC 2015 for about an hour.
Found out Adobe got rid of the RAM preview completely.

10/10 would update again.
That’s a name change only. Preview still loads to RAM and plays back. Just the way it always has, only a bit quicker since the UI and Rendering threads are separated now.
 
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So what would be the point of subscribing if you couldn't update the software?

This is where a subscription model falls down.


The question was what happens when your computer stops being supported by the software, if you must keep updating and be forced to buy a new computer. I don't see where it fails. You keep using the software and all the cc stuff.
 
Adobe your subscription service sucks, customer svc is the worst.
I have to agree. As the guy who pitched my department to get Creative Cloud of Team, I feel a huge let down after we encountered problems deploying from the Enterprise app. Nobody replied to my e-mails and the ones who replied my forum threads are customers who have similar problem.
 
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Anyone that uses CC for business use should stop moaning about the subscription charges. It's part of the cost of running your business, stop being so tight. Along with accountancy fees, tax, office rent etc you just have to swallow it every year. Home users are a different issue though. For me with a studio of 5 it just makes life so much easier upgrading and keeping everyone up to date.
Yeah, just swallow it, and be sure to wipe the dribble off your chin.
 
Why do companies only care about maintaining large streams of revenue, be it Adobe or even Apple? I would rather suffer from planned obsolescence than the stupid subscription model where making payments for a product through 12+ months would've allowed me to buy it outright a few years ago.

If I ran a smaller business with a similar strategy I don't know if it would go over well. Only Spotify seems to have this done right if you get enough out of it

Um, I think you said it right there. Revenue! This are publicly traded companies. Of course that is all they care about.
 
I know this is an unpopular opinion but I really enjoy my Creative Cloud subscription. I'm the kind of guy who uses and tries lots of different software and is skilled in many areas of digital media. So I can see how someone who only uses a couple apps would be irritated. I like that I can use everything they sell and when I want, I can expand my skills by messing around in apps like After Effects by making animations or whatever. I wear a lot of hats at my work and when doing freelance I never know what a client is going to ask for next. Photoshop, Illustrator, Lightroom, InDesign and Premiere are among my most-used apps. I also use TypeKit for several websites and use Lightroom Mobile to sync nearly 30,000 photos to my iPad. It's not perfect but it works well. The main thing I'm pissed at Adobe about is the Ink and Slide. That thing has been a huge disappointment not only from the perspective of it not working well with the iPad Air 2, but because they've barely done anything with the drawing software over the past year and it doesn't seem like they really let third part apps support it. However some apps using the Adonit Jot API do work to a certain extent. I still feel really crappy about spending $200 on that thing. I want so desperately to have a proper, fine-tipped pressure-sensitive stylus to use on my iPad for drawing and every time I sit down to draw on my iPad with my Ink I get so frustrated that it just kills my entire creative mood.
 
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Digital art or media that one creates are your copyright, yet Adobe's position is that their tools to create are their copyright - problem is that artists are now forced to *stay subscribed* to be able to open their own art material in the future..

Seems like another battle is due to challenge usurpers of the DMCA.
 
Every time an Adobe article hits, the anti-subscription people start in on them. Look, I get it – you want to own your software. But don't knock it until you try it. The CC apps are fantastic, and the subscription pricing really helps me budget my software updates. Plus, they keep adding features and providing bug fixes more frequently than ever before. In the 20+ years that I've been using Adobe apps, I have never been a more satisfied customer.

Eh, I'm not so impressed. Half of their seemingly constant updates introduce really obnoxious bugs, and while they do usually release a fix for those within a few days of introducing them, that's a few days where I can't move any of the guides in InDesign, which seems like the kinda thing they should have caught in quality control.

Then there's the Creative Cloud service itself, which has got to be the most unreliable cloud service on earth. People complain about Apple's services going down a lot, but I have a hard time whining about that when Creative Cloud is constantly failing syncs, crashing for no reason, sucking down RAM for also no reason, and on occasion deleting entire files or folders for, again, no reason. 100 gigs of space would be nice if I trusted it at all. I would never, personally, pay a subscription for that kind of service.
 
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Digital art or media that one creates are your copyright, yet Adobe's position is that their tools to create are their copyright - problem is that artists are now forced to *stay subscribed* to be able to open their own art material in the future..

Seems like another battle is due to challenge usurpers of the DMCA.

Not really true.

You can open a PSD file in preview without owning photoshop.
What you can't do is edit it in preview - however you could use an alternative like pixelmator.

Adobe is not forcing anything on you or taking away ownership. It just wants to control it's tools. If you no longer wish to use it's tools - you can open your file in another programme - but you won't be able to edit it with photoshop. Sounds reasonable to me.
 
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This is interesting to see all of the anti-subscription folks here. Personally, I feel they should have still left the option to buy, but I understand the sub service. Moreover, a lot of my customers are CC users and as I've talked with them since the CC release, I've tried to ask them how they feel and they overwhelmingly said they prefer the sub-based model. It generally comes out cheaper for them and they like always having the updated software.
 
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I'm very happy with Pixelmator and Affinity Designer, and looking forward to Affinity Photo… They do not offer 100% of the features of Adobe's stuff, but still are very capable.

I love Pixelmator, but still use my old Photoshop CS5 most of the time because I'm most familiar with it. I didn't know Affinity Designer. How does it compare as an Illustrator alternative? It seems pretty nice for the price!

Also, any pros and cons on Affinity Designer versus Sketch?
 
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While Abobe's cloud apps certainly aren't for me, I think the people here complaining about the subscription model are not the target audience Adobe is going after. Most companies or corporations will be more of the target audience. Remember Adobe's creative suite was priced around $2000 so it was never targeted at Mr. Average Consumer.
For the rest of us, please use alternatives. I only need photo editing software and even PhotoShop Elements is not my cup of tea. I use this nice $30 piece of software called Pixelmator. It's very powerful and very reliable. For the rest of the Creative Suite I'm sure many of us here can find low cost alternatives that offer plenty enough features to satisfy one's needs.
 
The question was what happens when your computer stops being supported by the software, if you must keep updating and be forced to buy a new computer. I don't see where it fails. You keep using the software and all the cc stuff.

But you have to subscribe to use the software, even if your computer is unsupported. So you either have to buy another computer straight away, or stop using Adobe. You're between a rock and a hard place.

And even if Adobe allow you to use an older version, what's the point in paying a monthly subscription when you're not getting any of the benefits of newer versions?
 
Interesting to see that Adobe is trying to bring back Stock Photography/Images again after they killed that division several years ago.
 
I find it interesting that people on here are talking about Adobe's greed and yet businesses who use the Adobe software are just as greedy because they want to use the software for as cheap of a cost as possible. Greed goes both ways. I disagree that a lot of businesses are upset with the subscription model. Most companies spend more on office lunches each year than they will on the subscription model. Businesses cost money to run and they always have to deal with monthly costs like building space rental, energy costs, insurance and so forth. They need to stop living in the stone ages and factor in the tools they use to actually earn a living and keep the doors open for that business as a monthly expense. They need to think of Adobe as a utility and not a physical thing. CC is more like an energy bill now than an office chair that one buys once. Heck a lot of businesses don't even buy office furniture but lease it for a monthly cost as well.

I work in the marketing department for a global manufacturing company and the CC cost is the least of the companies concerns. It is really a non issue to our company and just part of the cost of doing business.

Honestly I'm tired of the subscription haters constantly flooding the internet with their vile hatred that serves no purpose other than a soap box for them to constantly whine. Nobody forces you to use any software and you are free to use whatever you want but stop trying to make this profession all about you and your hatred. I don't have all the numbers but I'm pretty sure the CC has been a pretty decent success for Adobe since they are still in business and haven't changed direction. If that many people really hatred it Adobe would have reversed direction or changed their policy. No company like Adobe is going to go out of business over a decision like this and if the market did shift gears they would quickly adapt. The fact is the temper-tantrum is getting old and you are in the minority. Yes a loud vocal minority but still a minority. Don't take the amount of dialogue on the internet as a sign that everybody has jumped ship. The number of Adobe CC users says otherwise.

Look CC isn't perfect and it has plenty of faults but what in this business doesn't? I don't mind the subscription model because even if it does cost more it is much easier for me to pay $60/month and budget for that than it is to fork over $700 all at once for an upgrade. Sure it would be nice if Adobe had better options but they don't. Right now if the alternative is to use ancient CS6 software I will stick with the subscription model and happily use faster and better tools than those who insist on being cheap and greedy. Anybody who tries to convince themselves and others that the software hasn't been updated much since CS6 is just plain silly.
 
Crazy (more absolutely sad!) to think I eventually can't open my PSD files anymore in ten years beacuse, you know progress...

Maybe it's just me, but in 10 years time I usually don't even have a computer with the proper operating system to run that program anymore, let alone the program itself. It's not like I have a copy of Final Cut Pro 4 and a computer running 10.3 anymore...
 
I don't have all the numbers but I'm pretty sure the CC has been a pretty decent success for Adobe since they are still in business and haven't changed direction. If that many people really hatred it Adobe would have reversed direction or changed their policy.

Of course they have "pretty decent success". Because they have no competition. No competition and quasi-monopoly always equates with success.
Although Premiere and After Effects have some serious competition now, Photoshop and Illustrator have almost none at all. And with the killing of Aperture, Lightroom has zero competition as well.
Wait a few months until Affinity Photo gets out of beta, and I'll assure you that you'll start witnessing some surprising moves and turn-arounds from Adobe.
 
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Crazy (more absolutely sad!) to think I eventually can't open my PSD files anymore in ten years beacuse, you know progress...

But I've just opened a PSD file from 2001 in preview .... Therefore its a false assertion that you need to be subscribed to open the file - when you don't need photoshop if you just wish to open it.

Edit it - fine, but again there are cheaper alternatives like pixelmator that will open the file and preserve layers and allow you to continue editing.
 
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