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Adobe Has 'Moved On' in Dispute With Apple Over Flash on iOS Devices
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For that to happen, the W3C would first have to release the HTML5 Full Spec. Adobe are integrating elements of HTML5 in Dreamweaver already, but let's face it, how hard is it to markup 3 new tags (video, canvas, audio) ? You really need a button to click that will create the tag for you ?
And for Flash to die, it would require HTML5 and the new DOM/CSS to have all the features it provides. This is currently not the case with the working drafts and it probably won't be the case once the standards are done.
Could be, I don't know the figures.
However, it would be little consolation for CS users knowing that Jobs will become even wealthier.
For that to happen, the W3C would first have to release the HTML5 Full Spec. Adobe are integrating elements of HTML5 in Dreamweaver already, but let's face it, how hard is it to markup 3 new tags (video, canvas, audio) ? You really need a button to click that will create the tag for you ?
And for Flash to die, it would require HTML5 and the new DOM/CSS to have all the features it provides. This is currently not the case with the working drafts and it probably won't be the case once the standards are done.
They also need to add in section, article, header, hgroup to name a few and the new ways to handle jquery and co.
None of which are finalized and thus adding them to a software package now is ludicrous. The only parts of the standard that are finalized at present are video, audio and canvas.
And again, what is there to add to Dreamweaver ? Little clicky buttons that paste markup in the editor ?
The markup is finalised. i.e. <section> is not suddenly going to change to <suffix>
Almost all Flash content now works well on my HTC Desire under Android 2.2... Given that the iPhone 3GS/4 has far more graphical grunt, I reckon it'd be fine.
If they keep on working on Frash, at least jailbroken iPhones will have the option once it matures a little, but to be honest I wish less web designers would insist on using it in the first place - in most cases where it's not used for streaming video content (something HTML5, even in its relative infancy, seems to be able to handle fine), it's just a massive waste of processing power and space
If they keep on working on Frash, at least jailbroken iPhones will have the option once it matures a little, but to be honest I wish less web designers would insist on using it in the first place - in most cases where it's not used for streaming video content (something HTML5, even in its relative infancy, seems to be able to handle fine), it's just a massive waste of processing power and space
And what is the benefit of adding a button that pastes <section> in your code ? Type it up for now. Are HTML writers that lazy now ?
Seriously, until the spec is finalized, there is no advantage in modifying tools except to throw around the HTML5 buzzword.
I keep reading on HTML5 vs flash. There is a lot flash can and does do that HTML5 can not do. The big thing in HTML5 I am seeing is video. Take away that HTML5 is not that impressive.
Flash was never truly designed to handle video but it got worked in and we really do not have a good alternative right now for DRM video. Flash can do it but HTML5 from what I am reading currently can not do DRM for video on the web.
To many people heard SJ say HTML5 and attack flash so they interpreted it as flash sucks HTML5 rules. The average person knows next to nothing about any of it.
HTML5 does not "do" video at all. There is a video tag. It is up to the browser to play the video. The browser can play a DRM'd video just as well as any other piece of software. It just has to support the DRM'd codec.
HTML5 has many more impressive features than the video tag.
Nope. You either get the desktop experience of browsing, or you don't.
You don't, on iOS. Period. No amount of demagogueing will change it.
This is why the the iPhone ads were banned in the UK. This is a fact.
Android does offer the full web, including Flash. I know, that's why I left iOS for it.
That's wrong. HTML5 is much more than just the video tag. Read the diffs :
http://dev.w3.org/html5/html4-differences/
These 2 points are especially nice :
This is big in that you will be able to load applications for offline use and they will be able to interact with your OS like normal native apps would. With these APIs, you can essentially make a local version of Google Docs that could be used automatically by the OS when double-clicking a .doc file for example.
There's a lot of new cool stuff in HTML5.
If you would have said that iOS doesn't have the desktop experience of browsing, I'd agree with you.
No, it was banned because it was potentially confusing to consumers.
Did your definition of "full web" just change? Android can't play all the same content that a desktop browser can.
I don't think the type of people that use Dreamweaver would know what the new tags are or how to use them without a button that says it clearly.
And currently there is a lot of benefit to developing HTML5 and CSS3 based websites, the markup is much more logical and with the tool set i am using it even works with IE6 with progressive enhancement all the way to Safari 5.
You should take note that the new tags are already used in a lot of mac code editors and Rails 3 use's the HTML5 doctype mainly for unobtrusive Javascript.
Has anyone programmed in flash? or done flash updating of websites? Changing text in flash is a pain of hurt. It hasn't changed since flash 1. The text formatting capabilities are so behind HTML.
Flash really isn't worth the effort, because people want CONTENT, not fancy graphics with no SUBSTANCE. Thus flash is outdated, and needs to die!
Flash really isn't worth the effort, because people want CONTENT, not fancy graphics with no SUBSTANCE. Thus flash is outdated, and needs to die!
... Flash really isn't worth the effort, because people want CONTENT, not fancy graphics with no SUBSTANCE. Thus flash is outdated, and needs to die!
LOL.
I'd hate to see the face of the significant other you have chosen
(And of course, this was exactly what Windows fanboys used to say about the Mac).If "people" wanted just "content," we'd still be living with text-based web.
Nah, people want the FULL WEB, that's why Flash is on virtually every desktop in the world. And it's coming to the mobile platforms now -- that's why Steve Jobs and the fanboys are apoplectic -- because they are being left out, again.
For the average user, full web browsing (meaning Flash) will be the main differentiator between iOS and Android. Let's see which one wins.
LOL.
I'd hate to see the face of the significant other you have chosen
If "people" wanted just "content," we'd still be living with text-based web.
Nah, people want the FULL WEB, that's why Flash is on virtually every desktop in the world. And it's coming to the mobile platforms now -- that's why Steve Jobs and the fanboys are apoplectic -- because they are being left out, again.
For the average user, full web browsing (meaning Flash) will be the main differentiator between iOS and Android. Let's see which one wins.
Android does not have silverlight or unity3d yet which are also big plugins meaning Android is not the full web ether.
I have used unity3d way more than i have ever had to watch a none HTML5 video on Youtube in the last year.
But unlike Flash most of the browser games in Unity3D i play have native iOS versions too.
Right now, I agree with Steve Jobs that Flash is currently a bad idea for the iOS platform, considering how many app crashes come from Flash. That being said, if Adobe works on making Flash more streamlined and less buggy, then there's no reason for Apple to necessarily block Flash from iOS. Flash slows people's computers down and reduces battery life. I've seen it make Mac OS X, Windows AND Linux slow down. Some devices work well with it, but not all.
It isn't in Apple's best interests to optimise their iPhone to work with another company's language (Flash), either, so I don't foresee them trying to make the iPhone's internal specs more compatible with it. I think it'd be best for Apple to maintain a decent working relationship with Adobe, though, so that it's possible for Adobe to create software that's better optimised for Apple's platforms.
It isn't in Apple's best interests to optimise their iPhone to work with another company's language (Flash), either, so I don't foresee them trying to make the iPhone's internal specs more compatible with it. I think it'd be best for Apple to maintain a decent working relationship with Adobe, though, so that it's possible for Adobe to create software that's better optimised for Apple's platforms.
Has anyone programmed in flash? or done flash updating of websites? Changing text in flash is a pain of hurt. It hasn't changed since flash 1. The text formatting capabilities are so behind HTML.
Flash really isn't worth the effort, because people want CONTENT, not fancy graphics with no SUBSTANCE. Thus flash is outdated, and needs to die!
yes I do it all the time. It appears you haven't since version 1 I guess... If you're still doing things with text like in versions way back and still changing in authoring, perhaps you're one flash developer that should really, not, bother.
There is 2 things I know, HTML5 is getting better, and, so is flash.
One thing I can't really predict, is what will happen with flash, and how html5 plans to, "replace flash".
An awful lot of yelling about how it will, but, pretty scant on specifics, and real tools and environments to accomplish it all.
Details. Those damn, details...
LOL.
I'd hate to see the face of the significant other you have chosen
If "people" wanted just "content," we'd still be living with text-based web.
Nah, people want the FULL WEB, that's why Flash is on virtually every desktop in the world. And it's coming to the mobile platforms now -- that's why Steve Jobs and the fanboys are apoplectic -- because they are being left out, again.
For the average user, full web browsing (meaning Flash) will be the main differentiator between iOS and Android. Let's see which one wins.
Full web? don't think such thing exists.
Nope, not on iOS.
But it does on virtually all desktops and soon on most mobiles. Thanks to Flash.
Maybe if Steve wasn't a big cry baby and had given a chance to Adobe to show what the Flash-to-iPhone compiler was capable of before outright banning it, you statement would be dead wrong today.
I have news for you, running any software, including the OS itself, slows down your computer and drains your battery life. Flash isn't special. You're just repeating the same rethoric ad naseum. It doesn't make it true.
You know what, I really hope than when Flash is ubiquitous on Android and other mobile platforms, and Apple wants in on the game, that Adobe gives them the finger. That would be nice payback.
Nope, not on iOS.
Some might argue. Please continue barking while caravan continues to move on.