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Adobe to sue Apple now?
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Wouldn't it be great if Apple came out with a Design suite that rivals Photoshop/Illustrator and a new FCS with a Motion/Shake that beats the crap out of After Effects?
No reason to ever use crappy Adobe software again.
Make it happen, Steve
What?
So if the product is good and sells well( but still not leading in marketshare with exception of iPod) the company isn't a monopoly. But, if the product is crap and sells well, the company is a monopoly?
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I am with you!
And I agree as well that Unity and the rest found in the same basket should join forces and get this neo-nazis sorted once and for all!
If you don't like what Apple is doing or how it conducts business, seek life elsewhere. There are plenty of other hardware, software, and media options available.
For all of those who say they support Adobe in this...
You're being played.
Adobe's strategy in this entire thing has been to rile up their customers, in order to bring public pressure against Apple.
It hasn't work, and it won't work.
With folks like Lee Brimelow screaming to the rafters about this and that, the simple fact remains that a company that has 15% worldwide marketshare and 25% in the U.S. holds a monopoly on nothing (other than perhaps "being the best", which isn't something Adobe would know anything about). Apple can lock out whomever they want.
But that's not going to stop Adobe from putting their customers in the middle.
If Adobe was serious, they would have demonstrated a version of iPhone Flash that worked great by now. They would have had Android Flash out by now. They wouldn't have screwed over Apple customers who waited how long for Intel-native Photoshop? Who have waited how long for a version of Flash that actually ran as efficiently as any other video codec on their desktop computers?
You want to talk monopolies? Adobe's Flash has the majority of video on the web in their back pocket -- by far. And nobody can play it unless they come to Adobe and play by their proprietary rules. And if Adobe hasn't deemed your platform worthy? Forget it. And even those that do play by Adobe's rules still get thrown under the bus sometimes.
Adobe is arrogant, and they think their customers are stupid enough to fall for their histrionics.
Are you?
You're being played.
Adobe's strategy in this entire thing has been to rile up their customers, in order to bring public pressure against Apple.
It hasn't work, and it won't work.
With folks like Lee Brimelow screaming to the rafters about this and that, the simple fact remains that a company that has 15% worldwide marketshare and 25% in the U.S. holds a monopoly on nothing (other than perhaps "being the best", which isn't something Adobe would know anything about). Apple can lock out whomever they want.
But that's not going to stop Adobe from putting their customers in the middle.
If Adobe was serious, they would have demonstrated a version of iPhone Flash that worked great by now. They would have had Android Flash out by now. They wouldn't have screwed over Apple customers who waited how long for Intel-native Photoshop? Who have waited how long for a version of Flash that actually ran as efficiently as any other video codec on their desktop computers?
You want to talk monopolies? Adobe's Flash has the majority of video on the web in their back pocket -- by far. And nobody can play it unless they come to Adobe and play by their proprietary rules. And if Adobe hasn't deemed your platform worthy? Forget it. And even those that do play by Adobe's rules still get thrown under the bus sometimes.
Adobe is arrogant, and they think their customers are stupid enough to fall for their histrionics.
Are you?
I see no evidence that Nokia or RIM somehow used their dominant market positions (together about 85% of the smartphone market) in conjunction with Apple's new SDK rules to tie developers to the Symbian or Blackberry platforms.
...unless you smell a weird conspiracy or something. (Does Nokia secretly own Disney?)
Bzzt, wrong. The reason they wound up in the legal battle is that they had one monopoly (operating system) that they were leveraging to build another (browser).
A monopoly by itself is not illegal, it just means you were at the right place at the right time, made a good product, or whatever. What is illegal is using the power of that monopoly to lock out competition in other markets. And what constitutes a separate market is usually something the two parties argue over in court, and the judge(s) have to decide.
lol at Adobe. I use their programs since I am a graphic designer, but I don't really have much else to chose from, and there are many times I would like to. Maybe this will open the door for another small company to put there foot in said door and make some competing software that Apple will endorse.
As a side note maybe I can send adobe my MBP and have them watch a youtube video on it when it's on their lap and see how they like the heat!
As a side note maybe I can send adobe my MBP and have them watch a youtube video on it when it's on their lap and see how they like the heat!
Are you smoking crack? I guess preferred VARs such as BOXX Maingear HP et al don't move any units and Adobe only sells licenses for the Mac.
lolololololololololololol
Even the TRUE creatives who've been on the mac for years are seeing the model shift to iDevices. Apple don't need Adobe to thrive anymore, but Adobe doesn't glean most of the revenue from Apple either.
I see why Adobe is doing all this.
They feel that their branded product has been handled very carelessly and that Apple has given a very bad name to one of their best ever consumer software.
Also, on the other hand, Apple has decided to remove cross platform programming (incl. flash) which results in developers associated with flash parting ways from Adobe.
But: Absolute non sense from Adobe if the rumour is true.
They feel that their branded product has been handled very carelessly and that Apple has given a very bad name to one of their best ever consumer software.
Also, on the other hand, Apple has decided to remove cross platform programming (incl. flash) which results in developers associated with flash parting ways from Adobe.
But: Absolute non sense from Adobe if the rumour is true.
There is likely damages for changing development terms after the company invested millions into making development terms for the platform.
Than there is the general anti competitive behavior, you don't have to be a monopoly to get smacked with that.
I hope apple will be forced to open up the platform in the future. The world of computing will be as bleak as cable television if this trend takes place.
I'm all for open standards and net neutrality.
All apple needs to do is to let users install their own apps as they please. Make the store exclusive to apple approved apps.
Ahahaha. Go cry me a river Adobe. If Flash is an open standard, then you may have a case, but a proprietary platform? What are you going to sue them for - not allowing your proprietary junk onto their own products - developed wholly by themselves and no thanks to you?!
Also, Apple doesn't need to support all the gazillion middle-ware out there. They have nothing to make Apple look after them everytime something new comes out.
As for the so-called 'anti-competitive' argument - Apple has nothing to gain from encouraging developers moving from Flash to a OPEN standard that is C and/or HTML5.
Also, Apple doesn't need to support all the gazillion middle-ware out there. They have nothing to make Apple look after them everytime something new comes out.
As for the so-called 'anti-competitive' argument - Apple has nothing to gain from encouraging developers moving from Flash to a OPEN standard that is C and/or HTML5.
Adobe's real motive
Adobe wouldn't care if the iPhone wasn't successful, obviously. But if you take into account how most, if not all, internet media devices wether it's a computer or a smart phone have flash player and then you look at HTML5, you'll see why Adobe is suing. The iPhone's success without Flash has to worry Adobe.
If you're a content creator and you know your content, application or web application can't be viewed on the iPhone, you may not use Flash to develop it. Especially if you want it to be cross platform compatible. Apple's using this stick to keep flash away is a brilliant move to kill flash from the web over time. Why use a closed standard like flash when you can use HTML5.
This is Apple's way of brining in new tech like they did with USB and pushing out old. Flash is cool, but it's old technology that is mastered by one.
It'll be fun to see what happens.
Adobe wouldn't care if the iPhone wasn't successful, obviously. But if you take into account how most, if not all, internet media devices wether it's a computer or a smart phone have flash player and then you look at HTML5, you'll see why Adobe is suing. The iPhone's success without Flash has to worry Adobe.
If you're a content creator and you know your content, application or web application can't be viewed on the iPhone, you may not use Flash to develop it. Especially if you want it to be cross platform compatible. Apple's using this stick to keep flash away is a brilliant move to kill flash from the web over time. Why use a closed standard like flash when you can use HTML5.
This is Apple's way of brining in new tech like they did with USB and pushing out old. Flash is cool, but it's old technology that is mastered by one.
It'll be fun to see what happens.
Sounds interesting.
Wonder if they'll claim that Apple is abusing their dominant position in the mobile internet access market in an attempt to oust Adobe?
Anyone else have any ideas about what else could be taken through the courts? Other than that, I guess we just sit back, relax and watch the fireworks. Time to buy some popcorn.
Wonder if they'll claim that Apple is abusing their dominant position in the mobile internet access market in an attempt to oust Adobe?
Anyone else have any ideas about what else could be taken through the courts? Other than that, I guess we just sit back, relax and watch the fireworks. Time to buy some popcorn.
If you can't win by merit, get the government involved
Perhaps Adobe can argue that they fall into that category of companies "too big to fail"in which case they could propose that forcing apple to support them would be cheaper than a bailout.
If that doesn't work, there's always the wookie defense.
Perhaps Adobe can argue that they fall into that category of companies "too big to fail"in which case they could propose that forcing apple to support them would be cheaper than a bailout.
If that doesn't work, there's always the wookie defense.
Macromedia made Flash?
Edit: Oh yes, completely forgotten their history in just a number of years. Time for bed.
I’m sure Adobe would be allowed to submit an app that wasn’t mobile-Flash if they made a native app, but they’re not doing that… so what’s the problem?
Wouldn't it be great if Apple came out with a Design suite that rivals Photoshop/Illustrator and a new FCS with a Motion/Shake that beats the crap out of After Effects?
No reason to ever use crappy Adobe software again.
Make it happen, Steve
I Highly doubt that will ever happen.. Its not like there aren't other image-editing software available.. Photoshop & Illustrator is the industry standard.. If someone comes out with something better and easier to use I wouldn't mind switching.. but again its not gonna happen
HTML5 is the future, and is not currently supported by all browsers. So at the moment Flash is more capable. But that will change, and if you want to build for the future it's HTML 5 all the way.
Macromedia made Flash?
Yes. Macromedia made Flash then Adobe purchased Macromedia.
I _REALLY_ hope Adobe does this and is at least somewhat successful. As much as I hate Flash and anything associated with it, it would be an awesome precedent and since Apple has shown no signs of coming around and opening up their platform, it's definitely time to force them to do it.
kthx
And I think GM should be forced to put Ford's new 5.0 V8 in the Corvette because I like that engine better then the LS3.
Try again. It isn't illegal for Apple to have a closed ecosystem. So Apple can't be forced to do anything by the courts. Don't like it? Buy something else. That is the only way you can force Apple to do something by effecting their revenue.
Which markets are they dominating? How are they actively preventing competition in those markets?
You are nicely misinformed.
A. Flash is an open standard with an SDK
B. Apple doesn't have to support it, it generates code and requires no support from apple. Apple has to actively block it prevent it.
I hate Flash. Can't stand it. But I don't see Apple winning this.
It's reminiscent of Microsoft's "It's our desktop so we don't have to have a shortcut to Netscape Navigator."
It's reminiscent of Microsoft's "It's our desktop so we don't have to have a shortcut to Netscape Navigator."