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All 2017 iPhone Models Said to Include Standard 5W USB-A Adapter, With Wireless Charger Sold Separately
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"Kuo's claim has since been backed up by Bloomberg in a report suggesting Touch ID will be replaced by advanced facial recognition technology in the iPhone 8, lending more credence to Kuo's prediction."
It is kinda binary. I think Energous is a pipe dream, though what you've described would be a sensible approach.
On another subject, is there any advantage to the USB-C chip inside the phone absent a USB-C charger? I'm just trying to understand what's going to be new and compelling in these phones, with the 8 slated to be much more expensive than usual. The OLED screen seems about the only thing. What's Tim Cook going to say, "These phones are able to charge faster and/or wirelessly - IF you spend an extra $75-$125 or whatever to enable it. But don't feel too bad, you'll get to enjoy the beautiful glass housing for free! (Cue Jony Ive video.)" Lame.
When you charge $1,000 for a phone that has no headphone jack, yes, you should be including Bluetooth headphones in the box. That is NOT unreasonable. What's unreasonable is Apple's money-grabbing, anti-consumeristic tactics.
How on earth are folks supposed to unlock their phone in dim lighting or at night? That's approximately 50 percent of the use case of using a phone...There's no way a visual recognition algorithm would work?
What am I missing?
What am I missing?
Ugh. See, you're one of the annoying guys who wants to stick with old tech even though the new stuff is WAY better. There's nothing about USB-A that is better than USB-C. And there's no reason Microsoft shouldn't have added USB-C to the Surface book. See, the problem is cimpanies thar don't adopt technologies at the proper time. If Microsoft and Apple would both just throw USB-C on all their devices, there wouldn't be any problems!
Also, yes, you're correct about the Lightning bit. But you see, that's the problem!! Apple cares more about royalties and MFI than they care about convenience for the user. It's incredibly sad.
The Watch charging cable is $29-39, and the charging dock $79.
The iPhone Lightning Dock, which is simply a Lightning cable embedded in a small piece of Al-clad plastic, is $49.
I'd guess $79 minimum.
FaceID instead of touchID. Single best user interface advance thrown away for a bigger screen?!? That's dumb. I doubt Apple could be this dumb. Sensor on the back, or no TouchID is dead in the water. Are you going to lift up the phone to your face when trying to buy something? Lame. No I don't think it's going to happen.
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Not a question of implementation. It's a question of how it has to be used relying on the camera. It's not a good option in any inplementation.
I'm sure we'd all love that mythical unicorn device where everything is perfect. But for it to be the basis of an argument sort of ignores the realities of the state of technology. Wireless charging, whether it be contact pad or true distance, is always going to be inferior to wired. Well, 'til we overcome the pesky laws of physics. Besides, it won't be an either/or proposition for a long time. Any phone Apple introduces will have both wired and wireless capability.
I agree with you that I expected the wireless charging pads to be optional extras. Many people on this forum disagreed though and were adamant they'd be included in the box.
Glad that it's rumoured to be the adopted Qi standard though.
Also, as others have said, 5W charger sucks!
I'm liking this phone less and less as info about it leaks. Crazy price point for features that Android has had for years. I may just stick with my iPhone 6S. We'll see what Apple actually announces.
Again, apart from fast-charging, there is no actual benefit for the average consumer. USB-A is doing just fine and 3.1 has amazing speeds. Yes I'm aware that, USB-C has better speeds but there isn't really much stuff available that can take advantage of this, and the few ones that are - are very expensive. F*** that.
So yes, I'm going to be that "annoying guy" until I finally see that USB-C is needed. But right now in 2017? Nah, get it away from me. Why? Printers, scanners, phones, tablets, media storages, most PCs, WORK PCs, portable hard drives, flash sticks, routers, CarPlay & Car stereos, gaming consoles...almost everything we use in today's world is USB-A. USB-C isn't even close.
USB-C is backwards-compatible, I'm aware of that but I'm not buying converters for every single USB-A device that I own. Come on now.
I agree there shouldn't be a reason. But if you are saying they should have gotten rid of all USB-A ports in favour of USB-C, I strongly disagree.
Microsoft currently does not think that USB-C is ready. And I agree for the reasons explained above.
I mean Apple tried with that horrible MacBook with the 1 USB-C port. LOL, I don't see that as "the future", I see that as an attempt for Apple to squeeze more money out of me. I'll have to buy several dongles, which does NOT make my life easier.
Yeah including that 1 USB-C port MacBook.
You can't rely on Apple at the moment to go all USB-C because they will lose money. Microsoft is just waiting for the "right" time, and 2017 probably up to 2020 isn't the right time.
I'm telling you right now, USB-C is not really needed now. And it's not ready. USB-A is doing everything we need, unless you are a super future tech guy that likes to have the latest ports and uses Thunderbolt. It's going to be a very hard transition because while USB-C is better, for the average consumer it's basically useless. The transition is a million bigger than 16-pin to Lightning or even Apple/Google removing the headphone jack.
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If this rumor is true, then what exactly justifies the high price? Removing TouchID is about 100x more disruptive to my daily phone use than removing the headphone port.
Apple, if you are reading this, I'm not willing to pay $300 more for a phone with less useful features. Have as much "courage" as you want, but on this game if Chicken, you are going to lose.
Apple, if you are reading this, I'm not willing to pay $300 more for a phone with less useful features. Have as much "courage" as you want, but on this game if Chicken, you are going to lose.
The screen.... That is what is going to sell this phone. As I said in another thread, this iPhone 8 is Apple's proof of concept for phones moving forward much like how the 12 inch Macbook was a proof of concept for laptops. With that said, proof of concepts from Apple always come with major drawbacks but usually have a few very noticeable features that the mainstream (not us) will love. Oh and every proof of concept from Apple so far has come with a hefty premium.
The iPhone 7s is there to please us and to fill in the gaps left by the limited iPhone 8 production. Next year will be the real deal with embedded touch ID and two sizes of the all screen variant.
Wow Gruber hopes they call it iPhone Pro and the price starts at $1500 because he wants to see what they can do with a phone that expensive. I think this phone is going to be hella expensive no matter what they put in it. Apple is going to price it as high as they think they can get away with.
https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/07/03/kuo-iphone-2017-touch-id
https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/07/03/kuo-iphone-2017-touch-id
Yes, and my opinion is mine. Why is that not welcome? Why does it have to get jumped on by the community just because I don't auto drop on my knees and take it and pretend to like it if I have arguments for me personally why I wouldn't want it? Does my post say I feel I *have* to buy it, or that i am *forced* to take ? ..
I am sharing an opinion that I personally don't feel it's actually wireless, or an added convenience.
I know if I post "does it not even get released in rose gold" that I will get 500 likes, .. but I am not here to pat you on the back. Just giving an opinion. There's no need for you guys to give me such a hard time over it. I am not aiming for the most epic, most cheap, best performance phone and all the features I want OR ELSE. I am replying to the topic at hand, giving my opinion, just like everybody else. Like I don't know it most likely will be a step in between what we might desire or wish things would do. But my point is that why would I pretend to like it, if it takes away convenience and I'd have to pay for a compromise that doesn't even feel wireless to me. SORRY if those sorts of real life usage situations are not welcome here, that there is no space here for this sort of thinking.
I wouldn't do that either. I'd just buy one adapter to start with. Maybe two if I found I needed more than one at a time.
It would be a waste to have an adapter for every device, since I don't have that many connected at one time. The next time I replace the device, I'd look for one that's USB-C compatible without an adapter. It'll take a while.
I'm not doing that yet, because my MBP is a few years old, and doesn't have USB-C ports.
But if Apple's wireless charging is not compatible with the Qi charging, it would be bad for consumer as well. I don't see anyone trading in a vehicle less than 5 years old so that they can charge their phone wirelessly while driving.
Facial or Iris only? No, fingerprint? Really?? So, Ming-Chi is saying that if I want to unlock my phone in a darkened room at night that it's going to see my face without turning on a light??? You must be freakin' kidding me. That makes no sense at all that I would have to resort to typing in my passcode to open the phone.
I've got to believe that the touch ID will still be there in some shape or form and maybe augmented by face or iris recognition.
If Apple does what he's suggesting, that alone would be a deal killer for me.
Gary
Well-regarded KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo this morning released a note for investors in which he made 10 predictions related to the three iPhones slated for release in 2017, including the elimination of Touch ID in the "iPhone 8."
We've now gotten our hands on Kuo's full note, and it includes several additional details that were not covered in our original post.
First and foremost, on the topic of Touch ID, Kuo's note clearly says the iPhone 8 will not support fingerprint recognition, a prediction some MacRumors readers thought was ambiguous in the first post based on the included wording. Direct from the note:Kuo's claim has since been backed up by Bloomberg in a report suggesting Touch ID will be replaced by advanced facial recognition technology in the iPhone 8, lending more credence to Kuo's prediction.
A second tidbit suggests the iPhone 8 and its companion devices, the "iPhone 7s" and the "iPhone 7s Plus" will all adopt glass bodies with metal frames to facilitate WPC-standard wireless charging functionality. WPC-standard refers to the Wireless Power Consortium, which supports the Qi wireless charging functionality built into many Android devices.
According to Kuo, wireless charging will be enabled through an optional accessory that will be purchased alongside the new iPhones -- it won't be a default feature available out of the box. Qi wireless charging is in line with rumors that have predicted the iPhone 8 will support inductive charging rather than a true wireless charging feature.
An example of a Qi wireless charging solutionKuo also believes that while the iPhone 8 will include an embedded USB-C power delivery IC for higher charging efficiency, it will continue to ship with the same 5W power adapter equipped with a USB-A port that's included with iPhones today. A USB-A to Lightning cable will also be included as a standard accessory.
That deviates from a prediction made by Barclays analyst Blayne Curtis, who last week said the iPhone 8 would come bundled with a 10W power adapter with a USB-C connector.
Kuo's final prediction has to do with the RAM in the three new iPhone models. The first post said that the 4.7-inch iPhone 7s would include 2GB RAM while the 5.8-inch OLED iPhone 8 and 5.5-inch iPhone 7s would include 3GB RAM, but what was left out is that he also believes the DRAM transfer speed of the three new models will be faster than the iPhone 7 by 10 to 15 percent for better AR performance.
The rest of what Kuo had to say is available in the post we shared this morning, covering predictions like limited color options, 3D sensing for facial recognition, 64 and 256GB storage options, an improved speaker system, and possible supply shortages.
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I've got to believe that the touch ID will still be there in some shape or form and maybe augmented by face or iris recognition.
If Apple does what he's suggesting, that alone would be a deal killer for me.
Gary
Well-regarded KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo this morning released a note for investors in which he made 10 predictions related to the three iPhones slated for release in 2017, including the elimination of Touch ID in the "iPhone 8."
We've now gotten our hands on Kuo's full note, and it includes several additional details that were not covered in our original post.
First and foremost, on the topic of Touch ID, Kuo's note clearly says the iPhone 8 will not support fingerprint recognition, a prediction some MacRumors readers thought was ambiguous in the first post based on the included wording. Direct from the note:Kuo's claim has since been backed up by Bloomberg in a report suggesting Touch ID will be replaced by advanced facial recognition technology in the iPhone 8, lending more credence to Kuo's prediction.
A second tidbit suggests the iPhone 8 and its companion devices, the "iPhone 7s" and the "iPhone 7s Plus" will all adopt glass bodies with metal frames to facilitate WPC-standard wireless charging functionality. WPC-standard refers to the Wireless Power Consortium, which supports the Qi wireless charging functionality built into many Android devices.
According to Kuo, wireless charging will be enabled through an optional accessory that will be purchased alongside the new iPhones -- it won't be a default feature available out of the box. Qi wireless charging is in line with rumors that have predicted the iPhone 8 will support inductive charging rather than a true wireless charging feature.
An example of a Qi wireless charging solution
That deviates from a prediction made by Barclays analyst Blayne Curtis, who last week said the iPhone 8 would come bundled with a 10W power adapter with a USB-C connector.
Kuo's final prediction has to do with the RAM in the three new iPhone models. The first post said that the 4.7-inch iPhone 7s would include 2GB RAM while the 5.8-inch OLED iPhone 8 and 5.5-inch iPhone 7s would include 3GB RAM, but what was left out is that he also believes the DRAM transfer speed of the three new models will be faster than the iPhone 7 by 10 to 15 percent for better AR performance.
The rest of what Kuo had to say is available in the post we shared this morning, covering predictions like limited color options, 3D sensing for facial recognition, 64 and 256GB storage options, an improved speaker system, and possible supply shortages.
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My point exactly. Are we to believe that we'll be forced to turn on a light or use flash in order to open the phone in a dark area? They must be kidding or Apple will have gone totally wacko!