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That's unfortunate. True wireless charging is almost here. Apple would be smart to go right for the gold, rather than taking a brief detour through this only marginally useful tech. If it has to be touching something, it's not much different from plugging it in.

It's not almost here for mobile devices. It can do hearing aids and the likes. But you won't see it doing larger devices for a long time.
 
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So according to him Apple Pay is dead? I mean how dumb can this guy be... They NEED TouchID on the phone, so it WILL be on the phone.
 
So according to him Apple Pay is dead? I mean how dumb can this guy be... They NEED TouchID on the phone, so it WILL be on the phone.

Apple Pay doesn't require TouchId. At all.

Heck, ever use an Apple Watch to pay? Right, no TouchId on it.

Even on the phone a passcode will do just fine, and in fact is what it reverts to if TouchId fails as a shortcut unlock method. No reason why something different, like good facial recognition, can't be a new shortcut option.
 
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I truly cannot picture these new iPhones not having Touch ID.

The thing is, whatever iPhones are coming out this year have already been finalized. It's way too close to September for Apple to be deciding on features...

I wish we knew for sure. I think their iris/facial recognition will be superb though.


A typical use of the phone is to leave it by your bed and use the alarm or the clock, check your messages when you wake up. So you use it in the dark every night. Sometimes, you might want to check a message unobtrusively.
So how does facial recognition work in the dark? How do you unobtrusively hold a phone up to your face?
I hope this isn't true otherwise we are going to be back to entering a password again much of the time.
I really hope they don't abandon touch id but if they are really determined to lose the bezel then I suppose they will have to.
 
I am not convinced touch ID is going away but if it is replaced by facial recognition, it will be interesting to see what the courts do regarding law enforcement ordering someone to unlock their phones for a search.

There are currently conflicting court rulings on the subject. One court ruled that a person cannot be made to type in their passcode without a search warrant because that would be an unreasonable search.

Right, because giving up knowledge violates the Fifth Ammendment. Or so said a Virginia court.

However, a Florida court ruled the opposite, saying that a warrant compels giving up an unlock code.

However, a different court has ruled law enforcement can compel someone to put their finger on the finger print sensor because that is not an unreasonable search.

It all follows a precedent that you must give up a key, but not a combination.

To the best of my knowledge, there have not been any rulings about making someone look at their phone.

It would almost certainly be allowed, same as a fingerprint.
 
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I have an idea - why don't we all shut up until we actually find out from Apple what they are producing rather than speculating..
I just cant believe how much rubbish is being posted without ANYONE including the analyst - having any idea what your talking about.

Seriously OMG!

Hear hear, change site to macfacts.com and no discussions allowed until release! ;)

But the analyst is basing his predictions on sources I imagine, so it has some basis in reality rather than a total guess as some believe.

Most of the time a large chunk of these rumors are true these days, look at how spot on they were last year.
 
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2016 - No headphone jack - No sale (We all know how that ended)
2017 - No TouchID - No sale (remains to be seen)

Even though I love TouchID, i trust Apple to make the right decision on a product that is the core of their business. They can't afford to screw up.

I still hate Apple for removing the headphone jack, because I always forget to bring that small dongle with me for my earphones. But I have over-ear bluetooth headphones so it doesn't bother me that much to the extent I'll boycott.

Touch ID? If they remove it, they remove their hard work for Apple Pay. Because face recognition, while solid, it still isn't as secure as a fingerprint.

And it just wouldn't work seamlessly. Have you used Apple Pay for fast transactions, like Transport for London? (Buses & Trains?) It will be much worse.
 
Its a little hard to imagine Apple omitting touch Id. Facial recognition seems both inconveinient (hold phone pointed towards face to unlock?) and insecure (Samsung). I would probably trust it for basic stuff like locking the phone, but for Apple pay? Come on. There is just no way.
 
One issue with the 'faceID' (as opposed to touchID) is that if the phone is in a mount or otherwise not in your hand, you have to then have it actually facing you or however it needs to 'capture your image'. A finger is much more maneuverable that your face, especially if driving, etc., or even as a passenger. I really can't see such a quick transition to ONLY 'faceID'. An option, maybe. Only? Color me still suspicious.
I wouldn't want to get rid of touch id, they could have it on the back of the phone if they can't make it behind the screen on the front.

Passengers would be looking at their phone rather than having it in a dock?
Drivers will have the phone in a dock and already unlocked using satnav for instance?
 
Apple Pay doesn't require TouchId. At all.

Heck, ever use an Apple Watch to pay? Right, no TouchId on it.

Even on the phone a passcode will do just fine, and in fact is what it reverts to if TouchId fails as a shortcut unlock method. No reason why something different, like good facial recognition, can't be a new shortcut option.

Good facial isn't possible because of the way and time you have after you hold your phone at the terminal so that's nonsense and typing a passcode is about as fast and safe as a physical card so then the whole point of Apple Pay is going away and Apple watch is something almost no iPhone user has.

So yes they really DO need TouchID on a iPhone for Apple Pay to make sense.
 
It's not almost here for mobile devices. It can do hearing aids and the likes. But you won't see it doing larger devices for a long time.
Good point at least you, unlike lots of posters here, understand the tech. Another point people forget about is the speed of "at range" charging (or as most seem to think "true wireless charging"). Anything over 30cm away from the transmitter and the speed is 1/10 of a wired connection. Do people still want "true wireless" charging now?
 
I love them for doing it. I have the AirPods and never looking back to wired crap again. Options are good but I don't need a useless hole on my phone.

Then get something to cover up that hole. Because options will always triumph over silly limitations. Like, I wouldn't mind a USB-C port as long there's a USB-A port.

One of these days you'll forget to charge your AirPods like last year I forgot to charge my bluetooth headphones. Then what?

Also not everyone likes bluetooth/wireless headphones. They hate waves constantly coming through their heads.
 
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One issue with the 'faceID' (as opposed to touchID) is that if the phone is in a mount or otherwise not in your hand, you have to then have it actually facing you or however it needs to 'capture your image'. A finger is much more maneuverable that your face, especially if driving, etc., or even as a passenger. I really can't see such a quick transition to ONLY 'faceID'. An option, maybe. Only? Color me still suspicious.

Also, can "FaceID" securely distinguish between your face, and a picture of your face?
 
Im sorry but this wont work when the phone is on your desk, unless the field of view of the camera is insanely big. For a small camera like on front i dont see that happening.
 
I wonder if faceID could work with multiple people? Similar to what can be done with touchID with different fingers?

That said, I'd likely stick with touchID.

I love them for doing it. I have the AirPods and never looking back to wired crap again. Options are good but I don't need a useless hole on my phone.

Could have always ignored it, kept it as a backup or found alternative uses e.g. photo buttons.

Just because you don't use something or need a feature right now doesn't mean a use doesn't come around e.g. NFC (just looking it up again, it was something Apple originally dismissed for the iphone 5).
 
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