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If this "wireless" charging is induction charging, no please, it makes it difficult ou near impossible to use the phone while charging, has to use it you have to "undock" it, and stop charging.
 
7s and 7s plus sends a strange message. Its like 'here are new phones, but don't buy them because you really want this new, new phone'

Maybe just a ploy to let them increase the cost of the 8, but they must be pretty close to the limit of what they can reasonably charge for these things.
 
7s and 7s plus sends a strange message. Its like 'here are new phones, but don't buy them because you really want this new, new phone'

Maybe just a ploy to let them increase the cost of the 8, but they must be pretty close to the limit of what they can reasonably charge for these things.

Do you realize that a lot of them are sold as business phones? If the processor is the same, so its average life is the same, and the price difference is important, most of them will buy the 7s. Some people use the phone just as a tool, not as a fashion item, you know. So they don't give a f about design, frames, and so on, just about OS, apps, customer service, and reliability.
 
It could allow you to glance at it ahead of time and pre-unlock it.

Come on folks, think outside of the old box.

sure - touch ID already lets you do this. But it can be a pain - maybe the cashier is slow and it times out before you get to pay. And you have to manually trigger it - just holding it out with your thumb on the home button is triggered by the NFC reader which is much more convenient.

So yes, it can be done - but it sounds like a step backwards for usability
 
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Maybe the routine for Apple Pay wouldn't be so different. Today you take your phone from your pocket, double click the home button while looking at the screen to make sure it opens Apple Pay and unlocks, and then you place it near the terminal.

With face ID it could be the same, except maybe you'd make a greater effort to aim it at your face while double clicking. I would assume Apple wouldn't make the leap to this new tech if they hadn't tested it and confirmed it was similarly efficient and reliable.
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Face ID with 3D could potentially be more secure than TouchID. Lighting might be irrelevant if the scanning is done with the assistance of IR or a laser.

Ummmm, w/ no home button... what exactly are you “double clicking”? Lol.
 
Wow. How is facial recognition only going to improve the experience? I can't imagine having to pickup my phone and look at the front every time I want to unlock it. Super awkward. If this is true, it will be a massive step backward for iPhone usability. Unless of course there's something radically new in that technology we don't yet know.

No wonder Apple's share price dropped to $123.45 yesterday! o_O

Read the story and use your imagination. Also take into account one of Apple's strengths is doing things others routinely say can't be done.



"No wonder Apple's share price dropped to $123.45 yesterday!"

Fake news. Please stop. That immediately and greatly dilutes your credibility.
 
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So Apple invests billions in Apple Pay, integrates it into phones via Touch ID, then integrates it into hundreds of millions of payment terminals across the world and plans a peer-to-peer payment system based on the same technology - then abandons it entirely? How would people make payments at shop terminals - hold their phone to their face?

That dog don't hunt.

Agreed.. I find it highly questionable that they would just drop a core technology which underpins another technology that they are still nurturing and trying to encourage more and more customers and vendors to adopt. That said, Apple do seem willing these days to axe functionality for the sake of form... and if an infinity type edgeless display is what they really want, and if the physical home button has to be consigned to the trash to achieve it, then I guess it's entirely possible.

Who knows. Apple are extremely hard to read these days and these leaks which have a knack for contradicting themselves never really help.
 
Not me - you can put what you want on the Apple end (but I'd prefer lighting for now) but the other end has to be USB-A.

Well, its curable with a $30 cable...

Of course, Apple might go wild and include both USB-A and USB-C cables in the box. Including two cables (which probably only cost Apple a buck or two wholesale) with a phone that costs the thick end of $1000 doesn't seem that unreasonable. They may even do it...

Honestly though I wish the iPhone was marketed like DSLRs where you could buy the phone only or in a kit with the charger, cable, EarPods.

A very rational thought.

However - do you really think the bare phone would be significantly cheaper? Esp. if it was a new model so you had no basis for comparison. The reality is that Apple get a huge mark-up on chargers and cables sold separately, so including the basics with the iPhone probably only costs them a few dollars.

There is a balancing act which I'm sure Apple calculate very carefully. There is good money to be had in selling spare/replacement/alternative cables and basic earpods at huge mark-ups. However, if Apple don't include at least the basics with the phone...
  1. Customers and reviewers will expect a price for the "bare" phone that reflects the retail price of the missing accessories, not the far, far lower wholesale price that Apple pays. Reviewers, critics and competitors will be quick to point out the total cost of phone + basic accessories.
  2. Not everybody will buy the accessories from Apple, so if they did discount the bare phone by the retail price of the missing accessories, they wouldn't get their money back.
  3. More people would buy cheap'n'nasty, possibly counterfeit, accessories with consequences ranging from "doesn't work" through to electrocutions and house fires... and while that wouldn't be Apple's fault, the headlines are still going to be "iPhone electrocutes cute puppy". There's a certain advantage to selling a "self contained" kit that you can vouch for quality-wise.
  4. The above pressures might mean Apple had to cut the price of the accessories, and reduce the profits from existing spare/replacement/optional sales. Bear in mind, they were recently forced to offer a discount on MacBook Pro accessories for several months because of push-back from customers (if they'd planned to do that it would have been announced at the same time as the MBPs).
 
That's weird tho because just a while ago we heard that the iPhone 8 would have fast charging and come with a USB-C adapter for fast charging
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Apple will put the old slow USB-A adapter in the box and if you want the fast USB-C to lightning charger you will have to pay extra like on the ipad for the USB to lightning cable and USB C power adapter:
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MJ262LL/A/29w-usb-c-power-adapter?fnode=8b
 
Wireless Charger Sold Separately = Increase ASP
This is Tim Cook's Apple, how can they get as much cash of each loyal iPhone users consumers every 18 to 24 months.
Plus +$110
Case +$45
Earpods +$159
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Wireless Charger +$???
You are perfectly correct. We are long past Job's Apple where they decreased the price of the MacBookAir after introduction.

As Examples Apple increased the Price of the iPhone Plus when they added the dual cameras by $20, They increase the price of the Series 2 Watch by $20 dollars over the original $349 price. And of course when the introduced the iPad Pro (9.7 inch) they increased the price by $100 over the iPad Air 2 which was release 1.5 years earlier (and that didn't even throw in the Pencil which is another $99)
 
I was really looking forward to the "true wireless charging" instead of having to buy an accessory that charges devices via induction. There were rumours early this year that Energous had partnered with Apple but it seems that's not going to be the case. Or maybe, just maybe, you have to buy the base station separately.. I really wish that turns out to be the case!
 
However - do you really think the bare phone would be significantly cheaper?

I think I said as much when I wrote it would only be $10-15 less. But to be clear, no, I don't think a $10 price difference on a $600-1000 phone is much of anything. Still, I don't need the pack-ins at this point. I'm sure plenty of other people don't either. I could use the $10 on something worthwhile rather than stuff worthless-to-me accessories in my drawer. And bonus -- Apple uses less petrochemicals and mining required to make said accessories that won't end up idle in my drawer. Priceless.
 
As a motorcyclist whi wears a full face helmet, replacing Touch ID with facial recognition makes it a no-buy for me. Skiers who want to do simple things like check a map without removing their goggles which can cause them to fog up, will probably feel the same.

They might augment it with facial recognition, but considering they juist added it to OSX I dont see Apple dropping TouchID
 
If this "wireless" charging is induction charging, no please, it makes it difficult ou near impossible to use the phone while charging, has to use it you have to "undock" it, and stop charging.
You mean like it's nearly impossible to listen to music while charging on the current 7? Apple doesn't care.
 
As a motorcyclist whi wears a full face helmet, replacing Touch ID with facial recognition makes it a no-buy for me. Skiers who want to do simple things like check a map without removing their goggles which can cause them to fog up, will probably feel the same.

I remember that the millions of us who wear gloves half the year, thought the same thing about TouchId. And capacitive touch screens, for that matter.
 
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As a motorcyclist whi wears a full face helmet, replacing Touch ID with facial recognition makes it a no-buy for me. Skiers who want to do simple things like check a map without removing their goggles which can cause them to fog up, will probably feel the same.

Full disclosure, I've never been snow skiing. But when I watch skiing on TV during the Olympics they are all wearing thick gloves. Seems to me they'd have to take those off to use Touch-ID. As a year round runner I have to wear gloves running in the winter. I no more want to take those off then than I want to do wind sprints around a track. So I kinda don't see your point there. I wear iPhone compatible gloves and punch in my password if I need access to my phone. No prob.
 
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Won't be surprising at all. Apple eliminated the MagSafe Port on the new MBP. The call it "courage". I call it going cheap.
You could at least be accurate with your used up criticisms. It was the 3.5mm jack that 1 person said was courageous. You act like they stripped down the MBP MagSafe because it was cheaper, do you have any proof of that being the reason or just an off base guess?
 
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FaceID instead of touchID. Single best user interface advance thrown away for a bigger screen?!? That's dumb. I doubt Apple could be this dumb. Sensor on the back, or no TouchID is dead in the water. Are you going to lift up the phone to your face when trying to buy something? Lame. No I don't think it's going to happen.
They were dumb enough to get rid of MagSafe (except on the MBA which continues to sell, sell, sell even with old specs).
 
Full disclosure, I've never been snow skiing. But when I watch skiing on TV during the Olympics they are all wearing thick gloves. Seems to me they'd have to take those off to use Touch-ID.

Yes, but they'd also have to take off their ski mask and goggles to use face recognition.

What about superheroes? Most of them wear masks and gloves. I mean, Superman would be OK if the face recognition could cope with glasses (anyway, he doesn't seem to think leaving Clark Kent's fingerprints everywhere is a problem), but Spiderman, Batman, DeadPool and Iron Man are completely stymied - unless they want any joker with a Halloween mask to be able to steal their identity. Unrealistic? I don't think so - I mean, do Apple really want to see Peter Parker toting a Samsung S9 (with spandex-penetrating ultrasonic face recognition) in the next Spiderman movie?:)

...but, seriously folks, here's a great idea: I'd expect an $800++ smartphone released in 2017 to have fingerprint ID and face recognition... and if putting the touch ID on the back is a problem (you don't have to stick it right next to the camera lens as Samsung did) then maybe the totally button-free front is an idea who's time hasn't come yet...
 
I certainly won't be. Unless it's wireless charging at a distance (and that's not yet ready for prime time), I see little benefit over plugging a cable in.

Precisely. Everyone fretting over whether a wireless charger will be included or not, but no one seems to explain exactly why it's an improvement in the first place. I travel for a living - does wireless charging reduce what I have to carry to charge my phone? From the looks of that huge bean-bag thingy, I think not.

But then, I'm old-school, I still turn on lights by walking over to the switch and flipping it. *gasp* So I can probably survive a little longer with the onerous task of plugging in a cable. It's a chore, but I will persevere.
 
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