All 2017 iPhone Models Said to Include Standard 5W USB-A Adapter, With Wireless Charger Sold Separately

[copydeskcat]

So Apple invests billions in Apple Pay, integrates it into phones via Touch ID, then integrates it into hundreds of millions of payment terminals across the world and plans a peer-to-peer payment system based on the same technology - then abandons it entirely? How would people make payments at shop terminals - hold their phone to their face?

That dog don't hunt.

 

[Azzin]

Wow, today's iPhone news just gets worse and worse.

It's not news, it's a rumour.

Looks like Tim Cook really did double down on secrecy.

 

[twinlight]

Would be nice if it works with old Qi standard. Then I'm good to go with charging stand and speaker with charger integrated. One can hope! But it would be slow. So at the same time I hope it is some upgraded tech. I'll buy it anyway.

 

[kingalexthe1st]

Apple will be the most courageous people to have ever existed if they remove TouchID as well.

 

[stevet]

But on a $1000 phone?

How about waiting until they announce the price never mind unveil the actual product?

 

[Adrian Andrews]

USB-A needs to die slowly...

USB A needs to die quickly.

 

[kdarling]

Good facial isn't possible because of the way and time you have after you hold your phone at the terminal so that's nonsense

That's assuming a requirement for the id to occur simultaneously with payment.

That's already not necessary with the Watch, or even on the iPhone if you double-tap open Wallet and do TouchId ahead of time.

So perhaps the phone could be constantly checking the face in front if it, and thus always be preauthenticated if it detects an NFC payment request.

Just suggesting a way it could work. It's always better to take the "what if" path, than to stubbornly insist that something isn't possible. Especially with Apple, who has a long history of ignoring things it (and its fans) claimed it wouldn't do

 

[oldmacs]

They should drop lighting for USB-C and KEEP Touch ID!

 

[Tech198]

so wireless charging sold separate, so it should be. Why include it in the price it your not gong to use it?

The lack of TouchID only means one thing, Apple is backing off on something they cannot archive TouchID under the screen, which a company already has done and proved..

We're going on VR anyway right, so may as well use your eyes to unlock a phone. All of these "increased" method will be bypassed at some point.. They all have at "some point"

 

[bdhokie]

Wow. How is facial recognition only going to improve the experience? I can't imagine having to pickup my phone and look at the front every time I want to unlock it. Super awkward. If this is true, it will be a massive step backward for iPhone usability. Unless of course there's something radically new in that technology we don't yet know.

No wonder Apple's share price dropped to $123.45 yesterday!

 

[sirdir]

I truly cannot picture these new iPhones not having Touch ID.

The thing is, whatever iPhones are coming out this year have already been finalized. It's way too close to September for Apple to be deciding on features...

I wish we knew for sure. I think their iris/facial recognition will be superb though.

Well I have the Galaxy S8+ and while the iris recognition works OK, it doesn't work in the dark (or: with sunglasses!) and it's not always feasible to raise the phone to your face. The fingerprint sensor on the back is no big deal, though.

 

[CTHarrryH]

Such bullcrap! Every forward-thinking tech user wants USB-C all around. Not Lightning. Not USB-A. And we want USB-C headphones or Airpods in box. Enough with this anti-consumerism, Apple! My goodness.

Not me - you can put what you want on the Apple end (but I'd prefer lighting for now) but the other end has to be USB-A. Everything you want to plug into has that - my car for Carplay, chargers at airports and hotels and now even on home plug covers etc. Apple going to abandon things such as CarPlay? I know the world "needs" to move forward but you also can't stop the world.

 

[mox358]

This would be a deal breaker for me and many others it seems. I still find it hard to believe Apple would shoot themselves in the foot with the product that is 60% of their revenue. TouchID is perfect and people love it. I would honestly rather keep bezels than lose TouchID.

But if this is true, they actually saved me some cash this year! Ironic how that works out.

 

[CTHarrryH]

Wireless Charger Sold Separately = Increase ASP
This is Tim Cook's Apple, how can they get as much cash of each loyal iPhone users consumers every 18 to 24 months.
Plus +$110
Case +$45
Earpods +$159
...
Wireless Charger +$???

You forget that when the iPhone came out Steve Jobs had to lower the price to get sales to take off - it isn't Tim Cook

 

[BvizioN]

Then get something to cover up that hole. Because options will always triumph over silly limitations.

Why would I pay that amount of money to block holes on it and stuff? I liked what I saw, paid the money for what I liked just like so many millions of others and happy chappy. I am not the one moaning here, remember.
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Could have always ignored it, kept it as a backup or found alternative uses e.g. photo buttons.

Just because you don't use something or need a feature right now doesn't mean a use doesn't come around e.g. NFC (just looking it up again, it was something Apple originally dismissed for the iphone 5).

Not for me. And please don't compare new tech with an ancient tech. One does have a future, the other one will be dead soon.

 

[kdarling]

Wow. How is facial recognition only going to improve the experience? I can't imagine having to pickup my phone and look at the front every time I want to unlock it.

Leaving Apple Pay aside for a moment...

Name a time that you want your phone unlocked, that you're not going to also look at the screen.

You assume a step by step procedure, but facial could unlock while you're raising the phone to look at it.

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OTOH, a big downside of facial would be that it would be unlocking even when you didn't want it to... like in front of parents or curious friends, enemies, lover or spouse

Unless... hmm... it also optionally required a special gesture or touch point? Which reminds me that Apple, like Microsoft, has been researching air gestures. Could be related.

This could all be a false rumor as well.

 

[CTHarrryH]

For those who don't seem to know - USB-A is the other end of the cable - not the end that plugs into the phone. It, today, plugs into chargers, cars, computers etc.
If facial recognition really works - then maybe I'll buy. How do you get the phone not to unlock when it sees your face? I could see that as a big problem - when it keeps unlocking when I don't want it to.
I don't have a problem with optional wireless charging. I don't know about you folks but I have chargers a couple of places at home, at work, and I carry around in briefcase. I can also use just the cable to plug in several places. So it isn't buying 1 wireless it is several - and how well are they going to fit in a bag? Also today I'm not concerned about leaving my $5 charger block out - no one steals them. Are you going to leave an expensive wireless device out?
I don't have a problem with wireless as an option but I want to still be able to charge the old way even if I can't use headphones.

 

[thekeyring]

When they say "wireless", I assume they mean inductive, not wireless?
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Leaving Apple Pay aside for a moment...

Name a time that you want your phone unlocked, that you're not going to also look at the screen.

You assume a step by step procedure, but facial could unlock while you're raising the phone to look at it.

--

OTOH, a big downside of facial would be that it would be unlocking even when you didn't want it to... like in front of parents or curious friends, enemies, lover or spouse

Unless... hmm... it also optionally required a special gesture or touch point? Which reminds me that Apple, like Microsoft, has been researching air gestures. Could be related.

This could all be a false rumor as well.

Or it could work like Touch ID does today: Unlocks your phone but still requires a push of the home "button" to move past the lock screen?
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Everyone here is going to buy this phone and say it's the greatest phone ever. That's what happens every time, so why would this time be any different? I'm not convinced there's anything Apple would do that would make people truly think this is a bad phone.

It just so happens that so far they've made great phones. If they made an actual bad decision, their customers would react accordingly.

The media might report certain features as being "bad" but it's not that the customers are "putting up" with negative things on their iPhones, just the media is wrong.
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I still hate Apple for removing the headphone jack.

Would you hate them if their solution had been to include AirPods with every iPhone 7, in place of wired headphones?

 

[Chupa Chupa]

That's my Apple! Pack in the junk and sell the good accessories separately.

Seriously though, I'm glad it won't be included b/c it would just jack up the price for everyone, including those that may not want wireless charging.

Honestly though I wish the iPhone was marketed like DSLRs where you could buy the phone only or in a kit with the charger, cable, EarPods. That way those of us who have owned many iOS devices and a drawer full of chargers, cables and/or EarPods wouldn't have to pay for them -- yes, it's true, they are no more "free" than that kit lens Nikon or Canon packs in its kit boxes. Sure, a phone-only box might only be $10-15 cheaper but that's $10-15 of mine that can be used for something useful like a beer at SunTrust Park in the 6th inning when you see a blown save on the horizon. Haha.

It would also be a kinder policy for the environment, and isn't that the direction Apple said it wanted to go in? Or did TC mean, yes, but not at Apple's own expense?

But just dreaming out loud there... just like the analysts that think Touch-ID is going the way of the Dodo bird.

 

[iLLUMI]

Can't see them taking out Touch ID, it would remove Apple Pay which they are pushing ??!

Will Apple Pay work with Facial Recognition perhaps?
If it does then lets hope they get it right, so that no one can just grab your photo and use it to access your phone and make a purchase, should they steal your phone for example.

 

[SoundJudgment]

No touch ID. No Sale. Eliminating it would be a deal breaker for me.

The 7S Plus is starting to look better and better with each new iPhone8 'report.'

 

[iLLUMI]

I just think faceiD is such a bad idea. It will not be nearly as accurate as touchID and would rely on good lighting etc to be useful.

Yeh, it won't be so great when someone is lying in bed at night, in the dark, and they need to unlock their phone or make an Apple Pay purchase. Unless of course the screen brightness increases to illuminate your face, unlock your phone and/or make a purchase and then dim down again.
It really all sounds very complicated. Too complicated especially when technology is supposed to simplify things.

I think facial recognition is a good thing but only as a 2FA (2 ((second)) factor authentication), for extra security.

 

[naujoks]

Right, and these people want us to believe that these renders have "tiny" bezels! They're HUGE!
Let me tell you, if that iPhone really looks like that it will be a total failure. It will NEVER look like this!

 

[kdarling]

Wow.

I gotta say, I'm stunned by the number of posters who seem to have never heard of IR or any "see in the dark" technology which has been around for at least 90 years.

Not to mention, featured in nearly every spy or war movie.

In fact, up until a few years ago, most smartphone cameras didn't filter IR, and could see things in the dark like remote control LEDs. Frontal cameras usually still can.

 

[mrklaw]

One issue with the 'faceID' (as opposed to touchID) is that if the phone is in a mount or otherwise not in your hand, you have to then have it actually facing you or however it needs to 'capture your image'. A finger is much more maneuverable that your face, especially if driving, etc., or even as a passenger. I really can't see such a quick transition to ONLY 'faceID'. An option, maybe. Only? Color me still suspicious.

or when holding out at arms length to pay at an NFC terminal in a store. Iris/face recognition simply wouldn't work