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Newsflash, you're already dying. I'm already dying, so is everyone else. So no one is dying of Covid-19 then? Sounds like Trump logic. And actually, we already know the answer. You probably don't, others do.

As pointed out above, that's wrong.
If you could comprehend what I wrote, you would see that I’m simply saying I don’t believe the numbers, and I gave a practical example of how the numbers could be skewed. I didn’t say anything to the effect that this was the case in all situations.

If you know the total death count for 2020 up to this point, please share.
 
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The number is the number — it doesn’t work or not work — it just is what it is. If the total number of deaths in 2020 is within the normal range, it was a normal year for deaths — below that range would be a good year, and above that range would be a bad year. You can’t argue with this number.
Here's a very dumbed down example of why you're wrong. Let's say there are 1 million death every year. 50% (500k) of that number is people dying in their car on the way to work. People are now at home and can't go to work, therefore they can't die in accidents. So you're saving 500k lives by "locking people up", which was not the case last year. So the total number of deaths is 500k + deaths of a virus. Let's say 400k people die from a virus. That would make a total of 900k deaths in a pandemic year and 100k less than last year. Great, isn't it? Guess we should have more viruses then.

The total number of deaths does not matter, you have to take into account the cause of death and then consider that number in the equation because you have prevented deaths by lockdowns and restrictions.
 
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Lots of countries especially in the third world have taken almost no actions at all against the virus hoax, so where are the millions of deaths piling up in their streets?
Lack of education on this forum is truly shocking. Could it have to do with population density? Nah, that would require a minimal amount of thinking and math. :eek:
I quickly googled it for you, first hit to get you started (not that I'd believe you'd actually understand any of it): https://digitalcommons.bard.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1111&context=senproj_s2018.
 
To all the sheep that think this is a dangerous virus it’s not. Why can ppl riot fly in crapped airplanes and be crapped in long lines at the grocery stores and the mayors and governors can brake there own rules. But small businesses can’t keep there stores open and go to church. The virus was blown way out of a portion by the media and the government. Once they seen the real numbers of deaths from the China virus they would of had to open up the economy and let ppl live there lives. U subtract 94 percent then u wil get the real number of ppl that have died. The government is trying to control ppl. The flu has killed more ppl than the China virus has
Finally a correct answer. I know how deadly the flu is as my sister nearly died from it last year but they did not shut down an entire store when she was there.

This virus is all political and stupid people listen to this quacks and news media not realizing they are losing there freedoms to live.

Humans evolved to be social and all the political idiots want to reverse evolution with masks humans eveloved to see full faces, 6 feet apart crap people meant to be close together. Virtually Zoom crap again humans evolved to be with people in person just search for Zoom fatigue.
 
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No mentally stable person would commit suicide.
For your knowledge, no health person die from Covid. Mentally sickness is at least recoverable. You can't cure elderly people with multiple underlying life-threatening diseases, who are those that will potentially die from a flu or covid19 infection.
 
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But masks work, don’t they?
Just wear a mask and everything will be okay, right?
I get that this is a highly contagious virus and CAN be deadly, but c’mon folks. >99.95% survival rate.
How many more suicides and livelihoods destroyed have been a result of this? Not to mention trafficking is up, divorce is up, drug & alcohol use is up...
But just for two weeks, right? Two weeks to flatten the curve.
On December 16, the US reported 3,448 COVID-19 deaths — the most of any day of the pandemic so far.

That was more than the 2,977 people killed on 9/11. It's more than the 2,390 Americans killed in the attack on Pearl Harbor and more than the 2,500 US troops killed on D-Day.

In fact, more American deaths from a single catastrophe were reported on December 16 than on any other day in the past 100 years.

Of the 20 days with the most death from a catastrophic event in the past century, 17 have occurred this year. Twelve of those days have happened in December.
 
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I’m not saying there is a conspiracy — I just don’t believe the numbers. If someone was at death’s door with cancer or diabetes, and they catch the virus, and they end up dying — will the cause of death be the virus or the underlying disease they were already dying of? We don’t know the answer — but the total death count for the year we will know. That total number is what we should focus on.
It’s almost like death certificates are designed for exactly this and medical professionals assess whether they believe the person died solely as a result of some consequence arising from their cancer, or if without COVID-19 they believe they would likely have survived, etc. All of that goes right on the death certificate.

Death certificates start with the immediate event that caused death — say, a “cerebrovascular accident” (i.e., a stroke) or acute renal failure — then continue onto the condition that caused that event, and the condition that caused that one, etc. COVID can show up here, but only very rarely is it listed as the sole cause of death because usually there’s a more specific cause known. It’s the same reason you don’t see “car crash” listed on death certificates, really.

There’s also a separate spot for conditions that contributed to the death but were not directly implicated in the aforementioned chain of events. COVID-19 can show up there, too. Take for example a situation where a person dies following a car crash and the doctor believes they probably would have survived had they not simultaneously been fighting COVID-19. It’s pretty rare, but it’s plausible. Diabetes is a popular example of a condition that can show up here quite a bit.

In its own reporting, my county health department counts both of these situations (cause of death or significant condition contributing to death) as COVID-19 deaths.
 
Here's a very dumbed down example of why you're wrong. Let's say there are 1 million death every year. 50% (500k) of that number is people dying in their car on the way to work. People are now at home and can't go to work, therefore they can't die in accidents. So you're saving 500k lives by "locking people up", which was not the case last year. So the total number of deaths is 500k + deaths of a virus. Let's say 400k people die from a virus. That would make a total of 900k deaths in a pandemic year and 100k less than last year. Great, isn't it? Guess we should have more viruses then.

The total number of deaths does not matter, you have to take into account the cause of death and then consider that number in the equation because you have prevented deaths by lockdowns and restrictions.
You’re letting your feelings get in the way of logic. All decisions have consequences. The total death count is the most important metric in this situation. Locking down may have prevented deaths, but it may have caused deaths. Not locking down may have caused deaths, but it may have prevented some deaths. How do you make a decision in this case? Just look at the total number and make a logical decision based on this.
 
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What’s the correct way to come up with a pandemic virus’s fatality rate, Mr./Ms. Stock Trader?
At least stock traders may have a sense of data and numbers. You have to definitively know 2 variables and they can’t be “this is all we have so I call it fact” without complete knowledge.

We all know the death rate isn’t 1.9%.

You don’t simply ignore cases because they are not confirmed positives.
 
If you know the total death count for 2020 up to this point, please share.
Data is available with your access to National Vital Statistics System.

I know how deadly the flu is as my sister nearly died from it last year but they did not shut down an entire store when she was there.
Why would they? They flu is nowhere near as contagious as Covid-19.
For your knowledge, no health person die from Covid.
Wrong, but nice try.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/why-young-healthy-people-dying-coronavirus/
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-19-underlying-idUSKBN22V2YQ
http://protomag.com/articles/why-do-young-healthy-people-die-covid-19
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new...d-deaths-had-no-underlying-medical-conditions
 
You’re letting your feelings get in the way of logic. All decisions have consequences. The total death count is the most important metric in this situation. Locking down may have prevented deaths, but it may have caused deaths. Not locking down may have caused deaths, but it may have prevented some deaths. How do you make a decision in this case? Just look at the total number and make a logical decision based on this.
These guys can’t comprehend any impact to locking down because it is so much harder to quantify and “bottom line“ than the CNN COVID TRACKER that boils it all down to 2 numbers: CASES and DEATHS. Some dude above me literally divided deaths by cases and proclaimed a “death rate” as if it’s real.

Forget the fact these numbers can be endlessly massaged and exaggerated to accomplish a goal in an election year. It went very well for them. Fear mongering worked.

I’m an analyst for a living. Numbers and math don’t scare me...they are my livelihood. You have to really understand how this stuff is counted and the stories behind the data to draw conclusions.
 
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Go ahead believe the fake news these fear mongers keep brainwashing people to believe.

I say that the Flu and other diseases are much worse but they don't ruin people's lives over it. Masks do nothing except now I am afraid to go out seeing them. Yes mental issues I do suffer from.
 
Those are articles saying young people died. How many? You can find a few anecdotal stories for literally almost anything. Are we really saying this impacts young, healthy people On ANY large scale or in any kind of alarming way?

The freaking fudged numbers don’t even say that. The CDC doesn’t even say that.

This is the crap that makes fear mongering a real thing and makes people who post it lose all credibility.

This virus is overwhelmingly more dangerous for sick and elderly and mostly both. If you’re not sick or elderly, your chances of survival are literally almost guaranteed.
 
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It’s almost like death certificates are designed for exactly this and medical professionals assess whether they believe the person died solely as a result of some consequence arising from their cancer, or if without COVID-19 they believe they would likely have survived, etc. All of that goes right on the death certificate.

Death certificates start with the immediate event that caused death — say, a “cerebrovascular accident” (i.e., a stroke) or acute renal failure — then continue onto the condition that caused that event, and the condition that caused that one, etc. COVID can show up here, but only very rarely is it listed as the sole cause of death because usually there’s a more specific cause known. It’s the same reason you don’t see “car crash” listed on death certificates, really.

There’s also a separate spot for conditions that contributed to the death but were not directly implicated in the aforementioned chain of events. COVID-19 can show up there, too. Take for example a situation where a person dies following a car crash and the doctor believes they probably would have survived had they not simultaneously been fighting COVID-19. It’s pretty rare, but it’s plausible. Diabetes is a popular example of a condition that can show up here quite a bit.

In its own reporting, my county health department counts both of these situations (cause of death or significant condition contributing to death) as COVID-19 deaths.
Thanks for sharing this good information. I don’t know what goes into this reporting, but it sounds like there isn’t an objective system in place — so there are judgement calls involved. So when I say I don’t trust the virus data, it is not that I think we’re being intentionally misled — just that discerning between what ‘caused’ or ‘contributed’ to death would be difficult or impossible. Thanks for your thoughtful response.
 
Masks work in time-limited, hygienic, clinical conditions. In public spaces and prolonged use, they don't.

People touch their faces / masks all the time and then they touch things in shops, work places, on transport, etc, picking up dirt and bugs and spreading dirt and bugs. And the masks get dirty (people sneeze and cough and breathe into them) and damp from the inside and the outside, and the dampness attracts more dirt and more bugs, and then because the masks are right over people's mouths and noses, they breathe in concentrated amounts of dirt and bugs, and they get sick.

We know this from research into scarves and into face coverings worn by polar explorers: they have more germs than underwear not changed for weeks. Gross. And far too many people wear masks for months without washing or changing them. Dumber than dumb.

Action needs to be taken, but masks are part of the problem. Would anyone here really walk round with a sheet of toilet paper over their face that's been used by numerous people? That's what a mask is.

Was there an increase in numbers after the mass BLM protests worldwide? No. Were people wearing masks then? No. Are people wearing masks now? Yes, in the main. Are numbers increasing? Yes?

Just look up scarves and germs on the net.

Glad you think your Google degree is better than the degrees held by ALL of the infectious disease experts on this planet. This is why we are failing. Morons think a Google search makes them more competent than the world’s leading scientists
 
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No... most of the rest of the world is doing just fine... It's only the johnson heads here in the US that can't understand wearing a mask and social distancing actually does help stop the spread....
Only the US has problems with it now?

China could have airborne Ebola and you wouldn't know about it unless they allowed it.
 
No... most of the rest of the world is doing just fine... It's only the johnson heads here in the US that can't understand wearing a mask and social distancing actually does help stop the spread....
No it doesn't. I hate when people say that. Masks prevent nothing. Social distancing causes depression, loneliness and suicide for what nothing. But believe in fake numbers, fear of media and dictatorship government.
 
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