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To humor you, here was an earlier CDC estimate.


The true number of coronavirus cases in the U.S. could be anywhere from 6 to 24 times higher than the confirmed number of cases.

The director of the CDC said 10X confirmed cases.
 
Alright, now address the other parts: Free and readily available, nationwide.

I have a friend who had to travel more than three hours roundtrip, not including waiting in line, for a free test at a state testing site because he doesn’t have insurance and, due to other unexpected expenses, couldn’t afford to pay out of pocket for a test at closer providers.

Also, still waiting for the evidence of that imbalance.
Free and readily available doesn’t guarantee testing is available on every square inch of soil in the US for 100% of the population.
 
I just told you if you don’t concede we have a better sense of deaths than cases, we are done discussing. Sorry.
Not my fault you amended your post; I quoted it in the entirety of what was available to me at the time. In any case, both are presumably being undercounted. By how much? Your guess is as good as mine, but absent actual numbers, like I said, even in countries where testing is widely accessible, the data supports a CFR of about 1–2%. That’d imply that the imbalance isn’t nearly as large as you think it is.
 
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What are your science/medical university degrees, credentials, areas of research/clinical experience, publications, etc that would lend credibility to your assessment of Dr. Fauci.

Please list in detail.
Fauci said no masks early on. Who cares what degrees he has? He’s already been objectively wrong during this mess bc no one really knows. I don’t even blame the guy.
 
Not my fault you amended your post; I quoted it in the entirety of what was available to me at the time. In any case, both are presumably being undercounted. By how much? Your guess is as good as mine, but absent actual numbers, like I said, even in countries where testing is widely accessible, the data supports a CFR of about 1–2%. That’d imply that the imbalance isn’t nearly as large as you think it is.
Ok, fair enough on the amendment. 10X confirmed cases per CDC director. So the death rate is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than confirmed deaths/confirmed cases. I didn’t think it...CDC did.

Deaths are absolutely not being undercounted by 10X or even 2X. No way.
 
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You don't know who are benefitting from the lockdowns? Well, how about vaccine manufacturers cashing in billions on-top of billions? Big companies taking over more and more? Governments that find new tools to control their populations?

You can read about the 'The Great Reset' planned by the World Economic Forum. Oligarch will control the world if they succeed with what they have in store for us.
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All I know from my experience I suffer through great depression and as a Christian I have not attended my Church in over 9 months, I don't count virtual fake Church or that stupid Zoom crap we do after, seeing masks bothers me and I am on double medications.

I am ticked off that people are scared over an virus that to me is not a big deal instead it ruined my life both socially and mentally. There is no reason to shut things down.
 
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Based on your anecdotal example, imo, you implied it.
The county in which the friend and I both reside isn’t exactly the middle of nowhere; it has about 40,000 residents and is more or less a hub for far more rural surrounding areas. It’d be a perfect spot for the state to set up shop and test consistently in a region where the existing data is currently awful, as a competent state response to a pandemic obviously begins with high-quality data. The most the state has done here is (if I recall correctly) 4 one-day-only community testing events since the summer.
 
You don't know who are benefitting from the lockdowns? Well, how about vaccine manufacturers cashing in billions on-top of billions? Big companies taking over more and more? Governments that find new tools to control their populations?

You can read about the 'The Great Reset' planned by the World Economic Forum. Oligarch will control the world if they succeed with what they have in store for us.

Really?

A very small number of pharmaceutical companies have pulled the wool over the US, Canada, Australia, UK, Germany, France, Japan, China, Russia, and many dozens more countries with highly respected scientists and doctors, leading those countries to severely close their economies to benefit those pharmaceutical companies?

And somehow managed to infect millions of people, with 196,000 new covid19 infections just yesterday in the US alone?

That is astonishing. Please cite your credible sources.
 
The county in which the friend and I both reside isn’t exactly the middle of nowhere; it has about 40,000 residents and is more or less a hub for far more rural surrounding areas. It’d be a perfect spot for the state to set up shop and test consistently in a region where the existing data is currently awful, as a competent state response to a pandemic obviously begins with high-quality data. The most the state has done here is (if I recall correctly) 4 one-day-only community testing events since the summer.
Got it. But it still doesn't mean testing isn't readily available, barring incompetence. Within 5 miles of me, there must be 5+ offices, pharmacies, urgent health care, etc where I can get tested.
 
Really?

A very small number of pharmaceutical companies have pulled the wool over the US, Canada, Australia, UK, Germany, France, Japan, China, Russia, and many dozens more countries with highly respected scientists and doctors, leading those countries to severely close their economies to benefit those pharmaceutical companies?

And somehow managed to infect millions of people, with 196,000 new covid19 infections just yesterday in the US alone?

That is astonishing. Please cite your credible sources.
He got it all figured out, it’s true. I found his source...
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Really?

A very small number of pharmaceutical companies have pulled the wool over the US, Canada, Australia, UK, Germany, France, Japan, China, Russia, and many dozens more countries with highly respected scientists and doctors, leading those countries to severely close their economies to benefit those pharmaceutical companies?

And somehow managed to infect millions of people, with 196,000 new covid19 infections just yesterday in the US alone?

That is astonishing. Please cite your credible sources.
If you really bother I think you should do your own research and not swallow everything you are fed from the newspapers.
 
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Buahahahaa!! Whatever you took, I want some, must be a hell of a trip to feel good. Tesla... have you actually driven one? It's a piece of junk. The noise level in the car at 65mph is louder than a Ferrari at over 190mph. Quality control is really bad. Apple computers are build in China, nice try. Best space program? How exactly do they get "up there", oh right, by using non-US rockets. Except for a few non-exploding ones Elon is building. Smartest engineers? Where, when was the last time you actually were visiting Silicon Valley and other leading tech-companies throughout the world? I'd have a very close look at peoples nationality there. The US is probably the worlds biggest sh*thole right now, except maybe for North Korea. Perfect example of why the whole world is laughing at the US and everyone is convinced it's a country full of delusional idiots.
Yeah, I own one. But your response is typical of a non-owner.
 
I hope you realize that there are an S-load of people in this world just dying to find a chance to sue Apple so they can pack their pockets $$$$$$. I don't blame Apple one bit keeping as few people in their stores as possible for this precise reason. That family-owned hardware business has less than 1/10th of a percent of customers that Apple has that would want to sue them for not protecting a customer's health during shopping. 🙄

How could you prove that you caught COVID-19 from the Apple Store and not from the grocery store you went to before/after Apple?

Home Depot, Lowe’s, Harbor Freight, etc are all still open. The first 2 are large corporations... Obviously if the outbreak in a particular area is really bad, the Apple Store should be closed for purchases, but still open for repairs. My local audiologist is open. I can drop off my hearing aids for repair if needed.
 
You are very naive. If you really bother I think you should do your own research and not swallow everything you are fed from the newspapers.

It doesn't work that way. You made a rather astonishing claim. It's up to you to provide credible evidence from credible sources backing up your assertions. Otherwise it's just unsubstantiated bs.
 
Ok, fair enough on the amendment. 10X confirmed cases per CDC director. So the death rate is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than confirmed deaths/confirmed cases. I didn’t think it...CDC did.

Deaths are absolutely not being undercounted by 10X or even 2X. No way.
Fair.

But if that estimate on the undercount of cases is correct and we leave deaths alone for now, it’s about as deadly as and more contagious than seasonal flu, with no vaccine to even try to counteract its spread (until now…sort of, given its severely limited availability).

Bringing it back around to the topic of closing things down, absent the vaccine, other measures are simply necessary to contain the spread. I’ll concede that lockdowns should be an absolute last resort because it’s easy to do more harm than good, and they should be targeted toward hotspots rather than a broad “preventative” measure, the latter of which helps no one.

Our state shutting down for the month of April when my county added all of 5 cases is a prime example of that. What worked, and arguably was needed, in the bigger cities at the time was useless here and brought early resentment to government action to combat the spread. Small businesses still haven’t recovered here generally, and some have closed. Ouch.
 
That’s exactly what he’s saying. It’s called china’s influence.

I used to agree with your posts a lot back in the day when people were being anti-apple. It’s disheartening to see you’ve been caught up in the Covid propaganda.

People aren’t getting sicker than they were in 2018, when we had tents and overfilled hospitals from the regular flu. Our total death count in the USA is set to be lower than 2019. This is all a scheme by China to centralize everything and destroy/control others economies.

People are losing their homes, jobs, businesses. And this isn’t the ‘Pandemic’ we were hard sold on in March. Masks do little if your touching your mask, and touching everything in the grocery store.

It’s time to open back up.

See above. Post some credible evidence about how a small number of pharmaceutical companies managed to con the US, Canada, Australia, UK, Germany, France, Japan, China, Russia, and many dozens more countries with highly respected scientists and doctors, leading those countries to severely close their economies to benefit those pharmaceutical companies?
 
Yeah, I own one. But your response is typical of a non-owner.
Non-owner of what? A rocket? Apple computer? A Tesla? I do not own a rocket, I’ve worked for a space agency though. I do own several Apple computers. I’ve had Teslas before, not anymore. We have just ordered another Tesla for IT security research of their systems, not actual driving. I’ve also had VW, Audi, Mercedes, BMW, Land Rover, Aston Martin, Porsche and Ferrari. Sport cars in general are not very practical, they were nice in my 20s. I prefer larger cars these days. Electric isn’t a must have for me, but if I had to pick one, then it would probably be the e-tron. From a quality control of view, Tesla is probably the worst. Then again, Tesla isn’t a classical car company. They have a lot to learn when it comes to compensating vibration from the street into the cabin/interior. It may not be bad for US standards, but it’s lackluster compared to Japanese or European standards.
 
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Got it. But it still doesn't mean testing isn't readily available, barring incompetence. Within 5 miles of me, there must be 5+ offices, pharmacies, urgent health care, etc where I can get tested.
It’s not available to you if you don’t have enough money to pay out of pocket for the test without insurance.

Sure, he probably should have insurance and he’d probably have been able to cover it anyway, had it not been for other necessary emergency expenses at the time. Not that the doctor’s office would care about that; they require payment when services are rendered, as is certainly their right.

In any case, he still had to take the day off work and drive three hours, just to test negative.

Our total death count in the USA is set to be lower than 2019.
This statement is going to age poorly because it’s based on a fundamentally flawed interpretation of data, as I’ve posted about earlier in this thread.
 
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