Ummmm who told you masks protect nothing? mask + social distance + quality hand washing = drop in cases... that's a fact not opinion.
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Almost 100 Apple Stores Closed Again, Including All Stores in California
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What about Walmart.
The Walmart non-food section should have been walled off and closed when the government shut down non-essential businesses.
The stupidity of some in this thread boggles my mind.... As a nurse I know COVID is real, I know it is affecting young and old, I know of some "healthy" people that weren't affected much while they were sick with COVID but are now having issues they didn't previously have (SOB, some have clotting issues, etc), and I know it kills. All the other nonsense is just that... Ignorant, moronic nonsense.
Little video showing masks do work... add in social distancing and good personal hygiene and you have a drop in cases... that's a fact not opinion.
Little video showing masks do work... add in social distancing and good personal hygiene and you have a drop in cases... that's a fact not opinion.
Hats off to our Great President Trump and his operation Warp Speed.
If the health system could handle it, the shutdowns / quarantine should have targeted the elderly especially in nursing homes.
Also, looking at the CDC statistics for deaths of school age children from Covid-19, there is little reason for schools to have closed in person learning.
I'm only responding to this because it's an absolutely absurd question. You didn't understand a word I said in my previous post. The point is the company in question is Apple. And because it's Apple people will sue even if they can't prove it. Ever heard of frivolous lawsuits? There would be thousands less of court cases in the world every year if people had concrete proof of everything they are accusing the defendant of doing to them.
Even if someone knew for a fact that they became affected by COVID from another previous source the fact that they made a purchase at the Apple store that was crowded full of customers not respecting the social distancing they could get tested the next day and obviously come up positive, they will try and blame Apple rather than some random family-owned local store that they may not get any real money from. If you think I'm exaggerating then you've got too much trust in the world and you're closing your eyes to frivolous lawsuits that happen every day of the year.
Being widely available to those who can afford it is a separate conversation on healthcare in the US.
The kids would generally handle it fine, but schools aren’t just kids, which makes the issue of schools very tricky.
Sure, and as of now, testing is effectively falling under that umbrella when it frankly shouldn’t be. Access to testing is currently very uneven (sometimes even for those who can afford it with availability issues), and of course there’s a compelling state interest in knowing where virus hotspots are as early as feasibly possible.
Apple repairs the computers they sell in the same physical entity so if the retail store is closed so should the Genius Bar because customers can ship their computers to them for repair. It doesn't require an Apple store to be open to get repairs done. There's no Dell Store. Microsoft stores have closed down. There's no Lenovo Store. There's not HP Store. What do those customers do? Ship their products to the manufacturer unless they have a business warranty that does onsite repairs.
and we haven't closed the books on 2020 yet and data can take 8+ weeks to be reported - i.e., there's 8 more weeks of peak mortality to add on top of the 2020 pile. Sad.
Alright, MacRumors friends, here is my purely subjective observation on the subject matter surrounding COVID and the American observation where I live. For context, I am from Western NY near Buffalo. I am NOT trying to cause a fight, but I only have some thoughts about this awkward and horribly time that we are in right now. Here is my take:
- COVID is real and not a hoax. I know people that have had it and some that have died from it. My grandmother who is 93 lived through it! She’s a real hard core, battle-ax. I’m proud of her.
- I believe that the fear behind it is also a very real thing. In SOME circles, COVID 19 is over dramatized. We need to be careful and stay safe, but I think there is a healthy balance to this and keeping things open in some capacity.
- Masks help, but aren’t full proof. I know people that have protected themselves to the max with masks but have still ended up with it.
- Our Governor Cuomo likes to say over and over, “It shouldn’t be a political thing” and goes on to make political statements over and over again from March until now. It continues to be a grandstanding opportunity for him and I’m getting tired of him personally benefiting from his public office work. I’m also tired of him proclaiming that masks work (again they help), but then traveling to Savannah, GA and hugging people without a mask on. I view this as hypocritical.
- Dr. Fauci is to be respected on some level, but has also backtracked several times on previous statements. When he was at the Washington Nationals game with the first pitch, he had his mask off for parts of the game. By the way, he’s a horrible pitcher.
- Trump should have acted more dignified in office as the POTUS with regard to this. He, like every other “leader” and politician, has been hypocritical in his approach to things. To blame the worldwide virus on him alone is ridiculous. It’s not the “Trump virus” as some call it and only creates more division.
- I’ve seen protesting and rallies with and without masks on. Shutting things down and then allowing this is also hypocritical, especially without people wearing masks.
- The mental illness component involved in all of this seems to be swept under the rug and not discussed by our leaders and people in general. Not to mention the increased levels of domestic violence and human trafficking. These are issues that also need to be discussed in different media outlets.
- on a personal level, I have a dear friend of mine who lost an aunt that fell down a set of stairs. She passed away pretty quickly. The death was labeled as COVID. The numbers and determination for what a COVID death is seems “off” in some cases. The numbers are what they are in terms of what’s reported, but I am not necessarily believing these reports given my friend’s aunt who died from falling down stairs... but it’s still labeled as COVID-19.
- 12 years ago we had the swine flu outbreak. I’m completely naive about this time period in my life, but why didn’t lockdowns happen then? Why didn’t it seem like we politicized is back then like COVID now? Why didn’t we mask up like crazy then and shut down businesses and churches? It seems like we reacted much differently as a culture for COVID than swine flu. I genuinely don’t know why, can someone help me understand this more?
TL;DR - COVID is real. The fear behind it is also real. Numbers are off. Be smart, stay safe. Masks help, they aren’t full proof. There’s a lot of hypocrisy from our “leaders” on both sides of the political spectrum. It is also politicized on some level. All of this is my opinion. I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on tv. I am, though, allowed to have an opinion just like all of you.
Thank you for allowing me to be part of the discussion.
- COVID is real and not a hoax. I know people that have had it and some that have died from it. My grandmother who is 93 lived through it! She’s a real hard core, battle-ax. I’m proud of her.
- I believe that the fear behind it is also a very real thing. In SOME circles, COVID 19 is over dramatized. We need to be careful and stay safe, but I think there is a healthy balance to this and keeping things open in some capacity.
- Masks help, but aren’t full proof. I know people that have protected themselves to the max with masks but have still ended up with it.
- Our Governor Cuomo likes to say over and over, “It shouldn’t be a political thing” and goes on to make political statements over and over again from March until now. It continues to be a grandstanding opportunity for him and I’m getting tired of him personally benefiting from his public office work. I’m also tired of him proclaiming that masks work (again they help), but then traveling to Savannah, GA and hugging people without a mask on. I view this as hypocritical.
- Dr. Fauci is to be respected on some level, but has also backtracked several times on previous statements. When he was at the Washington Nationals game with the first pitch, he had his mask off for parts of the game. By the way, he’s a horrible pitcher.
- Trump should have acted more dignified in office as the POTUS with regard to this. He, like every other “leader” and politician, has been hypocritical in his approach to things. To blame the worldwide virus on him alone is ridiculous. It’s not the “Trump virus” as some call it and only creates more division.
- I’ve seen protesting and rallies with and without masks on. Shutting things down and then allowing this is also hypocritical, especially without people wearing masks.
- The mental illness component involved in all of this seems to be swept under the rug and not discussed by our leaders and people in general. Not to mention the increased levels of domestic violence and human trafficking. These are issues that also need to be discussed in different media outlets.
- on a personal level, I have a dear friend of mine who lost an aunt that fell down a set of stairs. She passed away pretty quickly. The death was labeled as COVID. The numbers and determination for what a COVID death is seems “off” in some cases. The numbers are what they are in terms of what’s reported, but I am not necessarily believing these reports given my friend’s aunt who died from falling down stairs... but it’s still labeled as COVID-19.
- 12 years ago we had the swine flu outbreak. I’m completely naive about this time period in my life, but why didn’t lockdowns happen then? Why didn’t it seem like we politicized is back then like COVID now? Why didn’t we mask up like crazy then and shut down businesses and churches? It seems like we reacted much differently as a culture for COVID than swine flu. I genuinely don’t know why, can someone help me understand this more?
TL;DR - COVID is real. The fear behind it is also real. Numbers are off. Be smart, stay safe. Masks help, they aren’t full proof. There’s a lot of hypocrisy from our “leaders” on both sides of the political spectrum. It is also politicized on some level. All of this is my opinion. I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on tv. I am, though, allowed to have an opinion just like all of you.
Thank you for allowing me to be part of the discussion.
This thread is a great example of why the USA is leading the world... in COVID deaths and cases.
You seem to think Apple should have the same draw backs as Dell, Lenovo, HP, etc. I pay the Apple tax, and I expect proper service. In all fairness, when the auto show rooms closed down, the service departments were still up and running fixing people’s cars. Cars are sold and serviced in the same facility, so your office is moot. Didn’t have to transport the vehicle back to the manufacture for warranty work.
Good for you. I've known multiple people who got sick, and a couple who actually died. The economy will recover, but those 300000+ people who have died are gone forever.
34,200 flu deaths in 2018 and about 22,000 in 2019. We're currently over 300000 Covid-19 deaths. So, what exactly is your point?
Hospitals Overwhelmed by Flu Patients Are Treating Them in Tents
Across the country, medical centers are taking extraordinary measures.time.com
Hospitals were full in 2018 from the regular flu that people were treated in tents, stop buying into fear.
Remind me, what were the total deaths from all causes in 2020 compared to 2019 and 2018....?
Sounding mighty Kareny there.
Indeed, how dare Apple protect their employees from a deadly virus.
You’re way too biased and focused on Trump. Trump is almost nothing in this situation...whether you love or hate him.
Well, it’s hardly surprising that the USA’s response to a global pandemic has been such a shambles, when the president claims that it will just go away like a miracle.
-300,000 dead.
- One hundred 9-11s in 9 months.
And it hasn’t gone away.
Not gonna get into politics as people gets too irrational and visceral, but since there's still people that don't get it: clinical mask (the one you used to see surgeons wearing on movies) are to prevent you to spread the disease as they stop droplets, N95 masks (or FP2 in Europe) are to prevent yourself from getting the disease from others as those are the ones that filter the air and seal around your mouth and nose. For those who say masks don't work: there are many studies out there since March proving they do work, even showing particle simulations on how it spreads with or without mask. But hey, if you are one of those who thinks this virus doesn't exist then no one will change your mind on how masks actually work.
Oh, and you can get infected through your eyes aswell, that's the reason why it's recommended everywhere to wash/disinfect your hands, so you don't touch your face (nose picking, mouth, or eyes).
Oh, and you can get infected through your eyes aswell, that's the reason why it's recommended everywhere to wash/disinfect your hands, so you don't touch your face (nose picking, mouth, or eyes).
The US president has a tiny role in the response. The US president is actually pretty much a figurehead as you’re about to see when Biden changes nothing.
9/11 is a poor comparison. It was about one day attack with airplanes and was more symbolic than about actually killing Americans. It was also still worse than Covid.
Absolutely.
Look at the mid-14th century plague outbreak. There were doctors dying at their patients' bedsides.
Entire towns vanished.
How do we know? Tax records.
"Joe Resident #1128 paid 3 florins of tax in 1348. Let's go find him in 1349."
All governments' most precious document archives are their tax records. They want to make sure whoever paid taxes last year is assessed this year.
I can't believe how many Thumbs-Up this comment got. It has the essensce of what is wrong.... selfishness. Me. Me. Me. Those of us that actually think about others before ourselves understand what it actually takes to keep businesses open while keeping people safe. The stores are closed because people did not make the right personal choices to protect others.
Rant over.