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I plan to purchase the new Apple TV from elsewhere anyway because Amazon started charging sales tax in my state. So getting it from them doesn't make sense for me financially anymore.
 
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Bose and Beats?

Apple's strength is not their retail stores, is the point. There business isn't operating stores for the sale of third party stuff. That's just a side effect. They are in the business of making and selling hardware.
 
I love this! This is just a beginning of how flawed whole its-all-about-apps philosophy is. Google don't want to develop for Windows, Apple don't want iMessage cross platform and crap like that. Perfect! Its perfect because those who loose are just consumers and consumers made this possible.
Bamm!! We have a winner. All of these, ‘we love to be in the eco system thoughts’ eventually result in this.
 
You're saying that Apple won't let Amazon produce an Amazon Prime app for the upcoming Apple TV?

I can't imagine why they couldn't. Amazon has an app for iOS, and most iOS apps that would make sense to use on a TV require only minimal changes when porting to Apple TV unless they're lazily using a web view for their user interface or something similarly kludged.

Then again, Amazon has always seemed to do the absolute minimum they could get away with when it came to supporting iOS, from not supporting cellular streaming until fairly recently to not supporting KF8-formatted Kindle flowing book content on iPads or iPhones. They'd rather play dirty and make the iOS devices be the least functional members of the Amazon ecosystem in a desperate attempt to convince people to buy Amazon's hardware instead.

The way I look at it, this is just another great reason to support Netflix and Hulu, which both have apps for Apple TV, and to eschew Amazon Prime. I ditched Prime because the Netflix experience was so much better (support for cellular streaming, few or no streaming stalls, more content, etc.), and I haven't looked back. The only company Amazon is really hurting with their childishness is Amazon.
 
I can't imagine why they couldn't. Amazon has an app for iOS, and most iOS apps that would make sense to use on a TV require only minimal changes when porting to Apple TV unless they're lazily using a web view for their user interface or something similarly kludged.

Then again, Amazon has always seemed to do the absolute minimum they could get away with when it came to supporting iOS, from not supporting cellular streaming until fairly recently to not supporting KF8-formatted Kindle flowing book content on iPads or iPhones. They'd rather play dirty and make the iOS devices be the least functional members of the Amazon ecosystem in a desperate attempt to convince people to buy Amazon's hardware instead.

The way I look at it, this is just another great reason to support Netflix and Hulu, which both have apps for Apple TV, and to eschew Amazon Prime. I ditched Prime because the Netflix experience was so much better (support for cellular streaming, few or no streaming stalls, more content, etc.), and I haven't looked back. The only company Amazon is really hurting with their childishness is Amazon.
Hell let's be real here, if the ifixit team can get their start developing and app for he Apple TV we all know Amazon can. Of course we know they were never going to write and app for it. This just shows Apple isn't stopping anyone from having a developer account. So you know if Amazon wrote and application it would be on there. So what do they want apple to write it for them? I'm sure it is about the 30%. Why don't they go with them same model they have on the iPad and iPhone?
 
Better solution: Amazon should release a Prime Video app for the new Apple TV.

This only means Apple users will buy their devices elsewhere and be less likely to subscribe to Amazon Prime.
Do we know for sure that they haven't already submitted one and Apple rejected it?
 
If you look at Amazon, I agree. They are in right, Apple needs to add more outside applications to its devices, all devices.

Sure, I'd love to have Amazon on Apple TV, even Asa a storefront and vod.

Conversely, Amazon needs to open up also, add a iTunes app for Apple.

Sounds silly, but as these devices become the new computers and standards... They need to be open and not closed. Let the most content on you can
 
This will not hurt Apple since they have their own stores all over the place and now they will also receive more orders on apple.com for their own product.
 



Amazon plans to stop selling some streaming video devices that compete with its Fire TV and Fire TV Stick, reports Bloomberg. It will no longer offer Google's Chromecast or Apple's Apple TV for sale in its online store.

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Amazon today sent an email to marketplace sellers notifying them of the upcoming change. The site plans to disallow new listings for the product and remove existing inventory on October 29. As a reason for the removal, Amazon is citing compatibility with its Prime Video streaming service, which is not available on devices from Google and Apple.Other set-top boxes and consoles, including those from Roku, Microsoft, and Playstation, do have apps that allow customers to stream Amazon Prime Video and thus won't be affected by the new ban.

For Apple customers, this means the new fourth-generation Apple TV will not be available for purchase via Amazon.com. It also suggests the device will not be gaining an Amazon video app and will continue to be incompatible with the Amazon Prime Video service.

Article Link: Amazon to Cease Selling Apple TV, Google Chromecast Over 'Prime Video' Incompatibility
Anti-competitive business practices, say what?
 
lolwut? Just use AirPlay. I've been doing this all the time lately to watch Transparent: load it up on an iPhone or iPad in the Amazon Video app, turn on AirPlay to AppleTV. Done.
But then it's the inconvenience of having to leave my iPad on in addition to the Apple TV and of course the TV. Plus it may not always be me who's using the Amazon Prime Video app, yet every time someone else wants to use it they'd then need my iPad too. It's impractical.
 
Over the last three years, Prime Video has become an important part of Prime," Amazon said in the e-mail. "It's important that the streaming media players we sell interact well with Prime Video in order to avoid customer confusion.

Article Link: Amazon to Cease Selling Apple TV, Google Chromecast Over 'Prime Video' Incompatibility
Amazon's beef isn't that Apple won't support Prime Video (did Amazon ask?) but that there's no interaction; which we can all take to mean, Apple won't allow in-app purchasing.
 
MacRumors really failed in delivering complete information here as usual. This is a much more complicated issue with why you can't stream Prime Video on Chromecast and Apple TV. There are plenty of better articles explaining the dynamic between Amazon and Apple/Google.

http://www.theverge.com/2015/10/1/9434115/amazon-banning-apple-tv-chromecast
http://mashable.com/2015/10/01/amazon-banishes-apple-tv-chromecast/#CJFcuEXBDgqA

Thanks for the links!

Do you really think Amazon would invest tons of money in a brand new app for Apple TV without checking first to find out whether it would be allowed in the store? I'm sure they already know the answer that none of us do.

That was my original take also. I'm sure somebody at Amazon called somebody at Apple and had a conversation it just makes sense.
 
Better solution: Amazon should release a Prime Video app for the new Apple TV.

This only means Apple users will buy their devices elsewhere and be less likely to subscribe to Amazon Prime.

Amazon are very willing to get their apps "out there". If there isn't one on the new AppleTV I'd imagine Apple being the barrier, not Amazon.
 
Anyone but a fanatic would call it a FAILURE thus far, business wise.
So call me a fanatic. Apple has sold 25 million TVs. 5 million of them in the last year. It's a beginning or a "hobby" if you like.
WTF are you talking about? Are they able to compile for a CPU that doesn't exist yet? Well damn! THAT is why FireTV sucks!
Yes they are and yes that's the reason. iOS is a growing ecosystem based on modern technologies. Amazon is just a store.
Um...uh...gee, I thought we were talking about AppleTV not the iPhone.
No, we are talking about a technological REVOLUTION coming from the smartphone to other smart devices, one of which is the television. The smartphone is a phone only in name. In fact it's a mobile computer in the shape of a phone. The smart television will be a stationary living room computer for the family. That people will refer to it as an TV is of no importance to the essence of the thing. It will be another iOS device, not more different from an iPhone than an iPad.
Yeah, and the new $99 FireTV has it and the $200 AppleTV does NOT. WTF is your point???
And Nokias are cheaper than iPhones. What's your point? The competition won't be won by the cheapest product, but by the best user interface. I don't know if Apple has nailed it with the SIRI remote. And yes, Amazon had voice control long before, but that's not enough.

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Bill Gates in 2002​
Yes and the last time I checked, Android controls about 80% of the mobile phone market and Apple less than 20%. Profit <> market control. Apple failed to learn that in the 1980s and 1990s when they went for expensive Macs versus Microsoft selling Windows and DOS to anyone and everyone.
You don't control a market only because you sell the most stuff. You control it, when no one can come in and take away your profit. Nokia didn't control the cellphone market. Microsoft lost control over the PC market. Apple makes more profit selling Macs than all the top PC vendors combined.
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Read this: Escaping PCs
Short term gave Apple high priced sales. Long term almost put Apple out of business. Now history will repeat itself because Apple learned nothing from its own past. Market share is important in the long run and Apple has been losing market share every since Android came out.
And behind the little world "almost" you hide the biggest most profitable technology company in the history of mankind. Yes history is repeating itself. Apple is always coming from behind to crush the so-called competition.
You should look into history some more before you make such sweeping emotionally charged comments.
Boring or exciting? - Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer unveiled a new tablet PC ("Slate-PC") at CES 2010
Apple did not invent the fingerprint scanner or anything else your imagination running wild seems to believe without actually looking into first.
And the Brothers Wright neither invented the wing profile nor the aero engine, they just made the whole product category fly. Remember when Steve Jobs talked about so-called smartphones "which were not very smart and even harder to use"? You don't have an airplane unless it is steerable. And you don't have a smart television unless you've absolutely nailed the interface. To figure this out is Apples own field of expertise.
 
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I really wish Apple would support Amazon Prime streaming. If it did, I could get rid of my FireTV. Probably not the result Amazon is hoping for here.

Shame that Apple won't even notice the lack of Amazon sales, which makes this a rather lame ploy that reinforces Amazon's relative lack of influence in this space.

And when preorders for the new AppleTV start, Apple is going to sell a kajillion of them, direct to consumers.
 
So call me a fanatic.

Well, if you look like a duck and quack like a duck....

No, we are talking about a technological REVOLUTION coming from the smartphone to other smart devices,
one of which is the television.

You see you aren't talking about AppleTV anymore. You're talking about Rainbows and Super Mario Fantasy World or something. Just because ATV is running on a modified iOS doesn't make it a hit. I own three AppleTVs (two Gen1 and one Gen2) and I've been waiting for the new model. Sadly, it's a huge let down (no 4K support so it's obsolete on Day 1 and no controller based game support that can't run off that stupid remote so it's DOA for any type of real gaming). FireTV offers both those things. It can run KODI so it can even take Airplay audio. The fact is the new FireTV is a far more capable device and it supports Amazon Prime video which is arguably the best service out there for movies and music combined with two-day shipping (Netflix is only good for TV Shows and Hulu sucks unless you only want recent network shows). Apple is a STORE. You can't even get rentals in many cases these days (i.e. No rental for The Avengers: Age of Ultron PERIOD as far as I can tell and most newer rentals disappear after a month or two for years on end leaving you with no option but to BUY the movie to see it at that point. It really does suck these days. What kind of "ecosystem" is THAT?

And Nokias are cheaper than iPhones. What's your point?

My point is that it's not only cheaper, it's BETTER. If you weren't blinded by your own fanaticism you'd clearly see that.

You don't control a market only because you sell the most stuff. You control it, when no one can come in and take away your profit.

And why do you suppose Apple almost went bankrupt in the late '90s? It was because their market share had become so low that no one was making software for the platform anymore. A dead ship is a dead ship no matter how much profit you USED TO MAKE. If Apple's share of the mobile world drops below 10%, they are going to become a niche market and app makers are going to drop it like flies. History is important. You ignore it at your own peril.

And behind the little world "almost" you hide the biggest most profitable technology company in the history of mankind.

Ah, I see your corrected yourself to "profitable" rather than biggest or most valuable. :cool:

Yes history is repeating itself. Apple is always coming from behind to crush the so-called competition.

Apple didn't come from behind in the '80s. They were there long before Microsoft had its own Operating System (that some say they ripped from CPM to this day).
 
I was hoping when Apple came out with the ATV4 it would blow us away with a totally new UI that emphasized content mixed together from a variety of sources but unfortunately, it's still just rows of separate apps. Siri's universal search is great but what about browsing and queuing across a range of providers? Does Apple expect me to keep pen and paper by the sofa so I can write out lists of which movies and shows I want to watch later? And then today's news of no Amazon Prime on ATV4 is a further disappointment, regardless of whether the fault lies with Apple or Amazon.

No, Apple expects you to download a third party developer App that keeps that list of shows you want to watch for you using Siri as a dictation tool. The App would then complete the search when you want it and launch the shows from the applicable source. Think of it like a podcast app. Also, it will seek the shows, pull them down in the background at night during low usage times and store them for later and instant playback.

Of course, I'm just making up the above, but really once you add a fairly easy and familiar platform to put code on, the possibilities really become quite large (though not endless, Apple will build in its limitations). It is a bit silly to say what ATV4 can't do right now when we know Apps will increase its functions significantly in the first year. And we know Apple OS will change a lot as well in a year. This stuff is predictable.
 
OK, you guys have some real reading comprehension issues. Amazon wants Prime Video on the Chromecast and Apple TV. Google and Apple are blocking them, not the other way around.
You have no evidence to support that. The Apple TV that could allow it isn't out yet. Similar Amazon Prime apps have already been approved and added to to the Apple App Store. There no reason to believe that an Apple TV one wouldn't be accepted too.
 
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