Analyst Claims: Qualcomm 3G Chip Destined for Verizon iPhone, Tablet Based on P.A. Semi Processor

[TraceyS/FL]

But gee, wouldn't going with a CDMA Verizon edition, with a GSM radio (like the current batch of "world phones") possible piss on the ATT locking of the phone?

They could market the SIM slot as the unlocked world travel side of the phone.....

Will be interesting to see what happens!

 

[maturola]

I don't buy it.

Apple chose the GSM band for the phone because of the potential for worldwide deployment. Why would they spend R&D on a product that would sell maybe 20% of the total sales of their current phone and only be available on one specific network in one country?

Where else is CDMA used?

I think talk of the iPhone on Verizon's network is wishful thinking. We'll see it on T-Mobile (US) before Verizon.

I totally agree, too much money and time on R&D for something that represent less than 20% of the global market and that the company is moving away from since it is working on the next Generation Wireless (4G)

 

[DakotaGuy]

No argument there.

Honestly, this is SOO OVERBLOWN. The cost of manufacturing a phone with a different chipset of this nature is VERY minimal. With many of the phone manufacturers (RIM, etc.), they do this all the time.

Ummm, they don't do this with ANY of the Android phones. Why would they do this with the iPhone?

So... what? People will still buy it.

It's called business. Look at the Intel vs. PowerPC ads... guess what Apple went with Intel in the end. Shocking.. I know.

w00master

First of all I agree with you. The engineering behind making a phone CDMA or GSM is simple. I can promise you that Apple had CDMA prototypes already running as a back-up plan from the start. That is not a whole lot different then the Marklar project.

My Droid has a Verizon logo on the front and back, but it is not red nor is it very noticeable. If Verizon brands the phone (which I could see them doing) it would most certainly be a very small subdued Verizon logo on the back.

I totally agree, too much money and time on R&D for something that represent less than 20% of the global market and that the company is moving away from since it is working on the next Generation Wireless (4G)

Could some of the people who claim that R&D of a CDMA iPhone would be cost prohibitive please give us a figure. Millions? Billions? I'd like to know why Moto, HTC, RIM, etc. can afford to do this and make a profit and Apple can't.

 

[w00master]

Really? Show me that it is not expensive...

They are not building an ENTIRE NEW PHONE. It's a single radiochip (which btw costs the same as a GSM chip) and new settings. The cost would be MINIMAL.

Again, nearly EVERY manufacturer does this. The costs is EVEN less with Apple with their single design. If you can't get this, then I don't know what to say.

They do... see the Droid's side, it has the big red logo slapped.

Goodness me... Jesus is going to cry. For godsakes man, Apple can easily work this out with VZW. Again... I'll use Intel as an example. When the rumors began with Apple switching to Intel, guess what one of the #1 things people brought up:

DUDE, INtel is going to make Apple put "Intel Inside Stickers" all over.

Guess what... it never happened.

Finally, the VZW logos/branding have been SIGNIFICANTLY pulled back from most of their phones, and on their Android phones? Little to NONE. So again, you are talkin' nonsense here.

Really? That is a huge selling point to many people.

Well guess what, your iPod Touch can't make cellphone calls either. What??? Apple still sells this?

This is NOT going to prevent Apple (if they are actually interested in VZW) from going with them.

Apple dissed Intel, not the other way around. In the end Apple decided. Here he have Verizon attacking, but in this case, Verizon isn't the one deciding isn't it?

Again... it's called business and advertising. This is nothing.

w00master

 

[jav6454]

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w00master

Same regurgitated BS from the post before. I ain't responding until you come with convincing stuff to support your points. I did give you... otherwise it's BS you can pull out your head.

 

[alexhasfun28]

All bull crap huh? This sounds like Apple is going to Intel processors version 2.0. Many many Apple fans said it was bull crap and that Apple would NEVER install an x86 processor in a Mac. I think we all know how that turned out.

As far as Apple saying they are very happy with AT&T and look forward to working with them in the future? They are still working with them. I highly doubt the AT&T iPhone is going away. By building a CDMA iPhone they have just opened up to the other half of the US market. I could see this heading to Sprint as well since it will be CDMA.

Maybe the rumors are all wrong and Apple will keep the AT&T exclusive partnership, but remember every Android device sold on a competitors network is a sale that Apple doesn't have access to. If Apple stays with AT&T while Google and it's partners spread the love all around, Apple will end up on the losing end.

Yes, I unserstand. If they'd have a relationship with Sprint, I'd be more than happy to buy the phone in a heartbeat! But I just had my anger more at these rumors, and forgot to say how much hatred with verizon wireless!!
But other than that, I'm interested in seeing what will happen soon. I'm just positive Apple will go with verizon. Well atleast I hope not.

 

[cal6n]

Using a P.A. Semi/ARM design instead of Atom will eliminate the danger of people making hackinslates from their netbooks.

I suspect you're putting the cart before the horse!

I'd say that now we know why atom support was removed from Snow Leopard. That was the point where the decision to use ARM rather than atom was formalised.

 

[Speedy2]

Apple chose the GSM band for the phone because of the potential for worldwide deployment. Why would they spend R&D on a product that would sell maybe 20% of the total sales of their current phone and only be available on one specific network in one country?

Can't be much R&D to put a CDMA chip into the phone instead of a GSM chip. Everyone else can do it.

CDMA might be a dead end technology, but they'd sell millions of CDMA phones. That "one country" is their biggest market by far...

 

[w00master]

Same regurgitated BS from the post before. I ain't responding until you come with convincing stuff to support your points. I did give you... otherwise it's BS you can pull out your head.

Now you're out and out coming out with personal insults... Nice dude. Nice.

Personally, I think I came up with convincing arguments... Apparently, you take them way to personally. There's really not more to say.

Stop drinking the kool-aid.

w00master

 

[matthewtoney]

AT&T should be scared. Very scared.

Hey, if coverage for you sucks then yeah it's a no-brainer. I'm all for it being on Verizon as well, but that's because I think it will only make the phone even more successful plus take some of the load off of one network - I'm not switching though - coverage and speed are great for me where I am.

 

[DakotaGuy]

Same regurgitated BS from the post before. I ain't responding until you come with convincing stuff to support your points. I did give you... otherwise it's BS you can pull out your head.

Sort of like the "red" logo on the Droid? I own a Droid and there is a Verizon logo, but it's not red. It's subdued and fairly tasteful. I am sure if there was going to be a Verizon logo it would be tiny and under the iPhone logo on the back. Apple would never agree to putting some big red V on the back of their phone, but they might allow a small logo because it is a different phone that only works on Verizon's network.

 

[Rot'nApple]

I think talk of the iPhone on Verizon's network is wishful thinking. We'll see it on T-Mobile (US) before Verizon.

I think we'll see the iPhone on a host of different carriers that are able to utilize the iPhone's technology (GSM for AT&T, T-Mobile and EV-DO for Verizon, anyone else).

Apple needs to have their phone side by side with all the competition to compete. If it doesn't, it's sales will erode in a Tsunami of iPhone wannabes sales, sold to those who think... "Good Enough! or Close Enough!"

 

[Speedy2]

They don't have too... Verizon isn't getting the iPhone. These are all rumors of Qualcomm who wishes Apple bought their chips, that's it. Obviously it's a move to keep investors/shareholders content...

Investors/shareholders would not just be "content", they'd be raving if Apple releases a CDMA iPhone. You make it sound as if Apple had anything to gain if they didn't.

 

[Speedy2]

Apple introduced an iPhone so users can travel the world with it & be satisfied.

You're obviously referring to the fact that CDMA isn't very common outside the US. But how does that theory work out if you consider the simlock in the US? The only one who is really, really happy when US iPhone users travel and use their phone abroad is AT&T.

 

[w00master]

Some people clearly cannot see beyond anything that Apple says or does.

Hey listen, maybe Apple won't go with VZW. Who knows? I'm just saying that it's not an impossibility and actually a very GOOD possibility. But apparently SOME people take things WAY TO PERSONALLY.

Apple didn't bear your baby. Apple doesn't take care of you when you get sick.

You buy Apple products - simply put.

get over man.



w00master

 

[fs454]

So the big question that probably has been asked already...

Do they expect us to pay a SECOND monthly data fee and subscription plan for this tablet, or can we pop the SIM in from our iPhones and use it on the tablet when needed?


I love my iPhone but I'm already paying out the ass for it monthly.

 

[w00master]

So the big question that probably has been asked already...

Do they expect us to pay a SECOND monthly data fee and subscription plan for this tablet, or can we pop the SIM in our iPhones and use it on the tablet when needed?


I love my iPhone but I'm already paying out the ass for it monthly.

I can guarantee you'll have to not only pay a second subscription fee, but also sign a 2 year contract.

... That is if these rumors on the God Tablet and carrier subsidies are true...

w00master

 

[maturola]

Can't be much R&D to put a CDMA chip into the phone instead of a GSM chip. Everyone else can do it.

CDMA might be a dead end technology, but they'd sell millions of CDMA phones. That "one country" is their biggest market by far...

No the biggest at all, US represent about 18% of the Global mobile market, VRZ would count for about bit more than half of that so it will be 9%. FCC, Lab time, Carrier certification cost a lot of money and Engineering time, it doesn't make much sense to expend so much into a technology that is fading away

 

[DakotaGuy]

Investors/shareholders would not just be "content", they'd be raving if Apple releases a CDMA iPhone. You make it sound as if Apple had anything to gain if they didn't.

I have no idea why, but for some reason some Apple fans seem to think AT&T is somehow a part of Apple. If you attack AT&T you are attacking Apple. The best thing that Apple could do for their bottom line is to give the iPhone to any carrier that wants it. The great thing about making a CDMA iPhone is you can sell it to more then just Verizon. There is Sprint and there are also a few regional carriers like US Cellular that would love to have an iPhone.

 

[w00master]

No the biggest at all, US represent about 18% of the Global mobile market, VRZ would count for about bit more than half of that so it will be 9%. FCC, Lab time, Carrier certification cost a lot of money and Engineering time, it doesn't make much sense to expend so much into a technology that is fading away

CDMA is not going away anytime soon - even with LTE. Why? The phones would still have to be BACKWARDS compatible.

CDMA is going to be here for a while.

w00master

 

[NJMetsHero]

I'm hoping this is true. Right before I'm due for a new phone.

For the people wondering why Apple would make a CDMA iPhone, I think there is a good reason. How much money would they make selling a phone on Verizon? There are about 89 million subscribers. Almost everyone I know who doesn't have an iPhone, in addition to me, doesn't have an iPhone either because they hate Apple or it's not on Verizon. If it were on Verizon, they would gain a ridiculous amount of new iPhone customers. In 2011, when the God chip comes out, Apple can go back to 1 model.

 

[Speedy2]

Really? Show me that it is not expensive...

You shouted that it's too expensive, so please step forward and substantiate that claim.

Open your eyes. EVERYONE active on the US market does it. That's proof enough unless you're a fanatic.

 

[schwell]

A Verizon iPhone might happen this year. Perhaps this is a clue:

UPDATE 1-CES-AT&T plans 2 Palm phones, 5 Android phones

 

[DakotaGuy]

CDMA is not going away anytime soon - even with LTE. Why? The phones would still have to be BACKWARDS compatible.

CDMA is going to be here for a while.

w00master

Verizon has said over and over again they are very happy with their extremely stable 1xCDMA voice network. You know the network that doesn't drop calls? Data will move to LTE from EV-DO, but they don't plan on replacing their voice network until around 2018-2020. I would assume the next step will be VoIP over LTE, but they want to make sure everything is very stable before they do that.

LTE isn't the reason why Apple would wait. If they are waiting to make a pure Verizon LTE device they would have to wait until the end of the decade. A Verizon iPhone MUST be a CDMA device. There is no other way.

 

[Rocketman]

It would not be like Apple to come out with a CDMA phone at its well known very end of its useful life.

Apple is likely to incidentally make the iSlate CDMA compatible despite its primary markets being everything else. If it does that it may also make it LTE compatible to lean on Verizon to deploy "real" 4G sooner not later.

Given how Verizon treated Apple/Steve in 2006-7, any leaning they get now is well deserved. It is, after all, AT&T that has 4000% network usage growth and unprecedented user growth of a "sticky" nature. Verizon needs Apple 10x as much as Apple needs Verizon.

Verizon should pay Apple to adopt THEM. 15% OF OUTSTANDING STOCK SOUNDS FAIR. 15% of $90.7B = $13.6B. Chump change.

Rocketman