Anyone else abandoning ship?

[MrGunnyPT]

I'm not sold on OLED, I remember dealing with burn in with CRTs, I really don't want to revisit those days, LOL I'm happy with the current display panels.

I had owned several Dell OLED monitors from 2015 and they did end up getting some burn in near where we had the program app logo...

Not sure how Windows will attempt to mitigate these OLED screens burn in

 

[Mendota]

Late to the party, but have been following the thread for awhile. Have been an Apple fan for 30 years, both in terms of products and the stock which has treated me well. As noted by others, the customer service for me has been good. I am, however, going to move on with a new laptop.

Was hoping that the 2018/2019 MBP would be appealing, but am now looking at a Lenovo. Seems to give more bang for the buck and I like the 14” screen and weight of the Carbon. The keyboards have been fabulous for years going back to IBM.

Concerns in moving are the photo library and iTunes music collection, neither of which are more than 1,000 items. Also would like to drive a 4K monitor for the photography hobby and be able to dual boot into one of the Linux distros. Don’t think I really need MS Office since Google Docs and Google sheets should suffice.

Probably move in the next 2-3 months.

Hope I haven’t hijacked the thread.

Welcome. I can tell you that moving your photos will not be difficult. The built in Windows photo viewer will suffice and of course there are many third party applications. Music the same, and if you want to keep iTunes there is a Windows version in the Microsoft store. I recommend that one because it is less bloated. Also iCloud is available on Windows, but I can tell you OneDrive is miles better in features and reliability. You should also be aware that Google considers anything stored or used on their servers they consider to also belong to them. This included your photos, videos, documents. It is in their EULA. Not to long ago a YouTuber had his video hijacked and given to a phone OEM to use in their ads. Google gave it to them and he was not given a penny. He discovered it when he himself saw the ad!... Might want to rethink MS Office. For $99 a year, I think it is the bomb.

For Linux I am currently using KDE Neon with Plasma and it has be outstanding. Very stable and well supported by it's community. A very nice interface and very customizable. Windows is number one for me, but KDE is now my second favorite coming before MacOS.
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Posted this in another thread, but seems like it belongs here, especially now that we've hit 100 pages!

From Consumer Reports 2018 Winter Survey of 36,919 laptop owners.

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And to show how CR can't get off their own bias and admit their own mistakes, notice how despite Microsoft getting the second best rating in customer satisfaction. CR has the audacity to give it a low "predicted" reliability rating. Who are they now? Houdini? They are afraid to upset Apple fans, because they know there will be a backlash. But feel free to take pot shots at everyone else.

 

[jerryk]

I had owned several Dell OLED monitors from 2015 and they did end up getting some burn in near where we had the program app logo...

Not sure how Windows will attempt to mitigate these OLED screens burn in

The latest (last year or so) OLED seem to have less of an issue with burn in. It is still there, but even after weeks of display the same image (company logo) at the same place tests show it it hard to detect.

This is on laptops and TVs, not sure if this applies to standalone monitors.

 

[kreasonos]

I abandoned ship 4 years ago and went thinkpad + linux. Personally, i think lenovo makes the best consumer laptops. Apple used to be the king but they've fallen from greatness. The touchbar and the butterfly keyboard have only dug them further into a hole.

 

[petvas]

I abandoned ship 4 years ago and went thinkpad + linux. Personally, i think lenovo makes the best consumer laptops. Apple used to be the king but they've fallen from greatness. The touchbar and the butterfly keyboard have only dug them further into a hole.

I guess we all have different taste. I hate Thinkpad laptops. Especially the trackpad and of course the low quality, uninspired design. I have one ThinkPad from my company and every time I have to use it, I want to cry..The only Windows laptops I like to use come from Microsoft. All Surface devices are great (for me).

 

[maflynn]

Especially the trackpad and of course the low quality,

Nothing low quality about the thinkpads, they are tanks and while they do not have the sexy design of the MBP, they are mill spec durability.

Lenovo ThinkPads are tested against EIGHTEEN MIL-SPEC procedures
That’s why we’re known as the industry leader for rugged and reliable devices. See the tests detailed in this quick overview. We promise you’ll be impressed!

Their keyboards offer better usability, durability and are water resistant

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You may not like the thinkpad and it makes you cry but they are quality and durable machines.
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Personally, i think lenovo makes the best consumer laptops.

Agreed, The thinkpad X1 Extreme is everything the MBP should have been, its a mere 3 millimeters thicker but yet offers better performance, better screen (4k touch screen), a much better keyboard as I posted above. While apple has been grappling with a wonky keyboard since 2015, Lenovo is showing how water resistant it is. The X1E, as replaceable memory, SSD, and battery. All that for thousands less then the MBP

 

[Mendota]

I guess we all have different taste. I hate Thinkpad laptops. Especially the trackpad and of course the low quality, uninspired design. I have one ThinkPad from my company and every time I have to use it, I want to cry..The only Windows laptops I like to use come from Microsoft. All Surface devices are great (for me).

I too love Surface, but if you want a pro laptop that is durable, upgradable and also well supported Lenovo Thinkpads can't be beat. Now for my needs, yes I love the Surface devices.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

I too love Surface, but if you want a pro laptop that is durable, upgradable and also well supported Lenovo Thinkpads can't be beat. Now for my needs, yes I love the Surface devices.

Agreed, love my Surface Pro.

 

[gngan]

Price, keyboard issue, everything non-user swappable, and how Apple not admitting their design flaw sway me back to Window.

I am not ready to buy a 2000 laptop that may last 3-4 years. Had a white MB that lasted 5 years and an 2011 MBP that lasted 8 years.

I'd rather get a 'cheaper' Windows laptop that last 3 years hopefully longer and if anything goes wrong then get another one.

Slowly quiting Apple's eco-system. Still own iPad, Apple TV, iPhone, MacMini, Apple Watch.

 

[maflynn]

I too love Surface, but if you want a pro laptop that is durable, upgradable and also well supported Lenovo Thinkpads can't be beat. Now for my needs, yes I love the Surface devices.

I think surface products are good, but they do take a page from apple in terms of pricing and expandability - or lack there of. Granted, the surface pros like all tablets are not expandable but I've owned the surface book (first gen) and its a sealed computer. With that said, it's an excellent computer with an excellent keyboard. .

 

[LeeW]

Slowly quiting Apple's eco-system. Still own iPad, Apple TV, iPhone, MacMini, Apple Watch.

I still believe they make the best tablets, there is nothing out there to beat the iPad in my view. The new 11" despite the comments about bending and overall durability have not been an issue for me, so far.

As for the iPhone, I will not be replacing my Xs with another Apple device, not unless they offer some compelling priced option when I decide it is time to change. And by compelling, I don't mean some cut-down, crippled device priced at $799 using tech most other manufacturers stopped using.

Whilst I detest Googles approach to their users, I can live with it based on what I need a phone to do. It will be a shame to lose the Apple watch as I do consider that a best in class device but again, I can get by with a Fitbit. All about options.

It's not even a money issue, I just can't justify in my own mind paying $1,000 + for a device I don't use all that often.

 

[pshufd]

I guess we all have different taste. I hate Thinkpad laptops. Especially the trackpad and of course the low quality, uninspired design. I have one ThinkPad from my company and every time I have to use it, I want to cry..The only Windows laptops I like to use come from Microsoft. All Surface devices are great (for me).

I think that going from a MacBook to any Windows laptop means you're not going to get as good trackpad functionality. In some cases, it is far worse. I agree that Lenovo computers don't have the nice looks that MacBooks (or even the Surface) has. But, in the end, it's what your computer does for you - as far as improving your productivity or enhancing your income generation. I can use an external mouse to fix the trackpad issue and I'd rather have something that works, then something that looks good but doesn't work. It would be nice to have both - and that's why I'm using old MacBooks. But they will give out someday.

 

[maflynn]

I still believe they make the best tablets, there is nothing out there to beat the iPad in my view. The new 11" despite the comments about bending and overall durability have not been an issue for me, so far.

Their tablets are great, no question, and it seems Apple is all in on making the iPad the computer of the future. I expect to see iOS 13 to have more features that inch it closer to parity with a desktop computer experience.

think that going from a MacBook to any Windows laptop means you're not going to get as good trackpad functionality.

Its crazy that in 2019, that many (most?) laptop makers still cannot get the trackpad right. Surface has a decent trackpad, I was unimpressed with Razer's especially with the palm rejection. The thinkpad is decent, its good enough but going from MBP to the thinkpad the user experience is quite noticeable.

 

[MBAir2010]

my track pad (dell xps) is the same f not better than the mbair. The track pad is more responsive and still works if there is moister on one's fingers were the MBair track pad was none responsive.

 

[maflynn]

my track pad (dell xps) is the same f not better than the mbair. The track pad is more responsive and still works if there is moister on one's fingers were the MBair track pad was none responsive.

How's the palm rejection? I found the Razer's as noted to be inferior and my typing continually caused the mouse/cursor to jump around as I typed.

 

[PaladinGuy]

my track pad (dell xps) is the same f not better than the mbair. The track pad is more responsive and still works if there is moister on one's fingers were the MBair track pad was none responsive.

I found the XPS to have a solid trackpad, as well. The only thing I noticed was that gestures were sometimes difficult. I said elsewhere, the only two reasons I didn’t go with the XPS were coil whine and poor speakers. Trackpad was excellent.

 

[MBAir2010]

How's the palm rejection? I found the Razer's as noted to be inferior and my typing continually caused the mouse/cursor to jump around as I typed.

when i move or cover the trackpad with my palm, nothing happens. if i press down with my palm, it acts as a right click. im impressed!

 

[PaladinGuy]

How's the palm rejection? I found the Razer's as noted to be inferior and my typing continually caused the mouse/cursor to jump around as I typed.

I didn’t experience that in the short period that I tried the XPS. Both the XPS and Surface Laptop 2 have great palm rejection.

 

[MBAir2010]

I found the XPS to have a solid trackpad, as well. The only thing I noticed was that gestures were sometimes difficult. I said elsewhere, the only two reasons I didn’t go with the XPS were coil whine and poor speakers. Trackpad was excellent.

the speakers are very good, compared to other laptops. i never use them because i turn on the Dell, the Bose soundsomething 20 turns on and I get music! The coil wine is rare, but i only use this in cool conditions, july and august will be a test.
[doublepost=1559392577][/doublepost]last month listening to music on the mini or mba even ipad was a struggle, skipping songs, resetting which sound option in system preferences to chose from.

today i powered up the Dell, automatically my bose turned on, I click an album using foobar, and music started playing within seconds, 2!. I could not have done this in Mojave or El cap because the speaker source needed to be changed everyday!

i know i'm getting bombarded with "i'm doing that wrong..." replies, but this is the improvement and convenience of windows 10 nobody realizes or writes about.

 

[PaladinGuy]

the speakers are very good, compared to other laptops. i never use them because i turn on the Dell, the Bose soundsomething 20 turns on and I get music! The coil wine is rare, but i only use this in cool conditions, july and august will be a test.
[doublepost=1559392577][/doublepost]last month listening to music on the mini or mba even ipad was a struggle, skipping songs, resetting which sound option in system preferences to chose from.

today i powered up the Dell, automatically my bose turned on, I click an album using foobar, and music started playing within seconds, 2!. I could not have done this in Mojave or El cap because the speaker source needed to be changed everyday!

i know i'm getting bombarded with "i'm doing that wrong..." replies, but this is the improvement and convenience of windows 10 nobody realizes or writes about.

Yeah. I only heard whine when it’s was fully charged and plugged in. However, it was very noticeable on mine.

I found the speakers to be decently loud, but they were thin. I think a lot of it has to do with the size of the speakers and the fact that they are downward-firing. I don’t have a Bluetooth speaker of any sort, so my laptop is usually my better music playing device when I am not using headphones.

 

[MBAir2010]

Yeah. I only heard whine when it’s was fully charged and plugged in. However, it was very noticeable on mine.

what i want to do i build a desk out of pine or red cedar, lay the laptop on that instead of Formica this way more air may circulate while cooling the dell. I think our settings help our equipment, like changing metal furniture with wood with provide better wifi and bluetooth experiences.

 

[Queen6]

what i want to do i build a desk out of pine or red cedar, lay the laptop on that instead of Formica this way more are may circulate while cooling the dell. I think our settings help our equipment, like changing metal furniture with wood with provide better wifi and bluetooth experiences.

As I'm frequently traveling I use a pair of ORICO notebook risers to help air circulation and angle the keyboard.


Q-6

 

[Thysanoptera]

As I'm frequently traveling I use a pair of ORICO notebook risers to help air circulation and angle the keyboard.
Q-6

I just use hotel directory, that's usually a solid binder an inch or two thick, place the spine between bottom inlets and rear of the laptop so that only a narrow edge makes contact, works like a charm.

 

[Queen6]

I just use hotel directory, that's usually a solid binder an inch or two thick, place the spine between bottom inlets and rear of the laptop so that only a narrow edge makes contact, works like a charm.

Most things work even the tops off bottled waster The Orico risers offer more stability as they don't tend to slide as easily. There's loads of differing types once know that they exist, some are like a golf ball that splits in half. This hotel the desk surface's are all glass so the risers are handy.

Q-6

 

[pshufd]

Its crazy that in 2019, that many (most?) laptop makers still cannot get the trackpad right. Surface has a decent trackpad, I was unimpressed with Razer's especially with the palm rejection. The thinkpad is decent, its good enough but going from MBP to the thinkpad the user experience is quite noticeable.

The Lenovo P72 which is my current favorite system to buy still has one of those tiny trackpads. It seems that many Lenovos are still going with the tiny trackpads. I'm not a fan of Apple going with the giant trackpads but I'd prefer giant over tiny. I use really high resolutions on laptops and a tiny laptop means that I can't move something to the other side of the screen or cut and paste enough with the trackpad in one step.

It seems like you have to get really premium, as in thin and light, to get a decent-sized Windows touchpad. It's all fixed with a mouse which will work for me but there are a very small percentage of the time when I'm not using it on a desk or table which means that a mouse won't work.

Nothing's perfect.
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As I'm frequently traveling I use a pair of ORICO notebook risers to help air circulation and angle the keyboard.
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Q-6

I use Nuun tubes or wooden thread spools. Right now my 2014 is on six Nuun tubes and my 2015 is on 5 wooden spools.