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I'm not a fanboy of Windows or Microsoft by any means, I am a fan of what works and credit where credit is due. Given a choice I'd be on Linux, however I'd be compelled to virtualise W10 or macOS.

Exactly what Apple wants clueless with a credit line, even Apple has to accept it's own flaws, especially on the end of losing in a court of law. People are fully entitled to be angry as switching platforms can cost literally $100's of thousands due to Apple's sheer incompetence.

Apple pushed myself and many others out solely due to not being capable of delivering. I can break OS X systematically as can my colleagues within 3-5 days on multiple Mac's all with clean installs of the OS. One friend who is a self proclaimed Apple fan, owning all Apple produces. Yet he's now too moved to W10 professionally for exactly the same reasons. Apple want's the respect of it's professional user Apple needs to get it's act together simple as that.

Once I would have unreservedly recommended the Mac regardless of cost as the value was very apparent, today not a chance as the Apple has indeed fallen very far form the tree...

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"Clueless with a credit line. LOL I will have to remember that one.
 
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I'm close...I'm on my second 2018MBP/13, and it continues to reboot without cause [per Apple]. They have yet to acknowledge that there's obviously something wrong with the design, and/or OS. My pristine iPhone 7 now has battery issues since the last iOS update. Prior to the update I'd get a full day of use, now I can barely go 2 - 3 hours before it needs a recharge. 2 hard resets, and a wipe later same thing. Yet the it states I have over 90% capacity on the battery.

If it continues, I'll buy decent Windows laptop, wipe it, throw linux on it and get a Pixel. I figure it may not be any more reliable, but it'll cost me a lot less...
 
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So have you or anyone else in here ever reached out to Apple? Submitted feedback or emails addressing concerns on issues? How about the numerous Mac sites and magazines where you can submit letters or even submit "open letters to Apple" that they publish?

Basically have any of the haters here spent even a fraction of the energy contacting Apple as they have spent whining here to strangers on the internet?

I'll state again "Apple has lost my professional & personal business as a direct result of ignoring it's professional users" Definition of ignoring is...

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I'll state again "Apple has lost my professional & personal business as a direct result of ignoring it's professional users" Definition of ignoring is...

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Yet, millions of "professional" users still use their product.

I'll state again, it's a free country. Leave all you want. Not sure what the continued whining accomplishes.
 
Yet, millions of "professional" users still use their product.

I'll state again, it's a free country. Leave all you want. Not sure what the continued accomplishes.

LOL yeah absolutely everyone's using a Mac these days :rolleyes: Well although I don't agree with you, your fully entitled to keep on whining about how awesome Apple is in the face of clear and obvious design flaws, anti-consumer actions such as price gouging, nickel & diming and everyone's favourite replacing unreliable components with exactly the same rubbish.

I just spent over 4 weeks on my primary engineering contract; from major multinationals to small companies run by a handful of people, over 160 contractors & subcontractors how many Mac's? Zero, Nada, none, not a single one I wonder why o_O Best ask Apple, maybe they will recommend you a nice IPP. As they say don't shoot the messenger. If Apple doesn't like it, then Apple needs to get it's house in order or stop with the BS, preferably both.

Pretty soon the Mac will just be a point of ridicule in many circles, it already is in some, worst of all it was once so highly respected what a **** up. Respect is earned, never given...

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LOL yeah absolutely everyone's using a Mac these days :rolleyes: Well although I don't agree with you, your fully entitled to keep on whining about how awesome Apple is in the face of clear and obvious design flaws, anti-consumer actions such as price gouging, nickel & diming and everyone's favourite replacing unreliable components with exactly the same rubbish.

I just spent over 4 weeks on my primary engineering contract; from major multinationals to small companies run by a handful of people, over 160 contractors & subcontractors how many Mac's? Zero, Nada, none, not a single one I wonder why o_O Best ask Apple, maybe they will recommend you a nice IPP. As they say don't shoot the messenger. If Apple doesn't like it, then Apple needs to get it's house in order or stop with the BS, preferably both.

Pretty soon the Mac will just be a point of ridicule in many circles, it already is in some, worst of all it was once so highly respected what a **** up. Respect is earned, never given...

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The only ones in here whining are the ones so mad at apple yet don't spend a minute contacting them about the issues.

Your anecdotal evidence means nothing. My corporation has over a thousand macs in circulation. Millions of macs on the planet are used in professional environments, so your comment is meaningless.
 
Completely agree with Joe. 10 or even 5 years ago, I would have never second guessed the benefit of being a Mac user, but I’ve had about enough of Apple and their “ecosystem”. It was a solid investment when their quality was top notch, but now one thing breaks 18 months in, and suddenly, you’re replacing 3 others. And the amount of money I’ve had to spend simply to duplicate functionality that I already enjoyed is bordering on absurd. You used to pay an “Apple tax” for the logo, but now you’re paying for the logo, the dongles, the adaptors, and the peripherals and no longer assuming that they’ll “just work”, but praying that they’ll just work at all. (Spoiler: they won’t.)

I have the current top of the line MBP and all the imaginable trimmings. But honestly if I could do it again, at this point, I would probably just go back to Windows and figure out how to make the most of Surface. The few moments I had testing out a Surface Studio were the most magical I’ve had on a computer since I unpacked my first iMac 15 years ago. I just couldn’t believe how much thought Microsoft had put into it. Windows is still flawed, but Microsoft’s ambitions for it are a lot more like Apple’s used to be before they became complacent selling overpriced phones to rich teenagers and forgot they made anything else.

Overall, unless you really, really love Keynote or are absolately married to Messages, there’s no longer a meaningful advantage to owing a Mac. You’re mostly just (over) paying for a comfortable nostalgia.

Those last two lines say it all. Well done.
 
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Your anecdotal evidence means nothing. My corporation has over a thousand macs in circulation. Millions of macs on the planet are used in professional environments, so your comment is meaningless.

What I gathered from my numerous conversations with Queen is that his work relies on some legacy USB devices so using a modern Mac is more cumbersome. It’s a shame really, that some industries refuse to update to modern standards but I guess that certain inertia is unavoidable.
 
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What I gathered from my numerous conversations with Queen is that his work relies on some legacy USB devices so using a modern Mac is more cumbersome. It’s a shame really, that some industries refuse to update to modern standards but I guess that certain inertia is unavoidable.

Great then switch and move on with your life. But he spends a ton of time trashing apple. I've never seen people collectively embrace each other and trash talk a product like the apple haters. It's amazing.

Then you point out the fact they never spend a minute escalating these issues to apple, and they have total meltdowns.
 
The only ones in here whining are the ones so mad at apple yet don't spend a minute contacting them about the issues.

Your anecdotal evidence means nothing. My corporation has over a thousand macs in circulation. Millions of macs on the planet are used in professional environments, so your comment is meaningless.

Totally impressed LOL, by Apple's own metrics only 10% of Mac users are professional's but we all know Apple wont be sharing that data point again as it's likely to be far less now thx to Mac's with the ButterBall keyboard :rolleyes:

Told you "I've never seen do many professional's drop the platform and for good reason" nor do I care if you believe or you don't, however Apple will know from it's metrics and that's a fact. People in the business of making money have no time for wasting it and Apple is getting that way real fast.

Keep it up, I only work 6 months a year so happy to engage with your "anecdotal evidence" just remember the 10% thing :p might be 15% all the same a little sad for a platform that once had such promise, what a waste...:(

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Totally impressed LOL, by Apple's own metrics only 10% of Mac users are professional's but we all know Apple wont be sharing that data point again as it's likely to be far less now thx to Mac's with the ButterBall keyboard :rolleyes:

Told you "I've never seen do many professional's drop the platform and for good reason" nor do I care if you believe or you don't, however Apple will know from it's metrics and that's a fact. People in the business of making money have no time for wasting it and Apple is getting that way real fast.

Keep it up, I only work 6 months a year so happy to engage with your "anecdotal evidence" just remember the 10% thing :p might be 15% all the same a little sad for a platform that once had such promise, what a waste...:(

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You do know Macs are sold as a consumer product right? Apple doesn't make a server OS, or active directory, etc.

Yet millions still use them in a professional environment. A consumer device. And yet you still complain.
 
What I gathered from my numerous conversations with Queen is that his work relies on some legacy USB devices so using a modern Mac is more cumbersome. It’s a shame really, that some industries refuse to update to modern standards but I guess that certain inertia is unavoidable.

My work relies on competent and performant hardware that doesn't overly present compromise and or obstacle. One would think a individual dealing with IT professionally would fully understand the cost of upgrading a major multinational company is very significant, or maybe not as the case maybe...

As for my industry NASA approached my former employer as we had developed the technology to evaluate formation density (as in rock structure, lithology etc.) without the necessitation of a nuclear source. NASA was keenly interested as they wanted to use our tech in a Mars lander, such a shame we were so far behind the curve...

Same applies now with my primary contract, expectations are high and I look to exceed, not cut corners, not nickel & dime at every opportunity, that's exactly why they call me back over and over as we deliver. I expect more, the bigger question is why don't you or your likes? I for one am tenacious and aggressive and will always push hard as an individual and as a leader.

Similar to Jobs, some hate me, most want to work with me, the outcome certain as we never fail. My expectation for HW/SW is very similar to people, I expect the very best, no excuses simple as that, if you cant delver then I have no need...

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You do know Macs are sold as a consumer product right? Apple doesn't make a server OS, or active directory, etc.

Yet millions still use them in a professional environment. A consumer device. And yet you still complain.

Please keep on excusing why Apple cant, maybe Apple should branch out into vacuum cleaners or coffee machines, maybe the iToiletCleaner :p Without professional patronage how will Apple flog it's over priced consumer products. It's embarrassing once the Mac made it's own statement, today it's little more than an afterthought and I for one do not appreciate that for one second...

Told you Apple needs to step up, or step out simple as that. Grow a pair, decide advance the Mac or kill it in favour of IOS toys, treat your customer's honestly and fairy and stop being so cheap. It's killing your reputation, at $4,250 before tax and I've to pay for a power extension, that's what's called taking the piss, wankers.

Working with Apple's hardware now is like running the 100M with your legs shackled. Apple wants my custom back it knows what to do, if not Apple's loss not mine. We don't do excuses, stop being weak and pitiful, get your **** together and deliver, charge hard and perform.

Or is that too much to expect, be the best you can...

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You do know Macs are sold as a consumer product right?
Actually Apple does market their macs to professionals, while people may question their dedication, we only need to visit Apple.com and see what they say
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Yet millions still use them in a professional environment. A consumer device. And yet you still complain.
Apple does have a large professional contingent but that doesn't people shouldn't complain or point out short comings. The latest MBPs have a number in inherent flaws, so much so many people are questioning their choices to stick with the platform. This thread being so long is evidence of that.
 
As for my industry NASA approached my former employer as we had developed the technology to evaluate formation density (as in rock structure, lithology etc.) without the necessitation of a nuclear source. NASA was keenly interested as they wanted to use our tech in a Mars lander, such a shame we were so far behind the curve...
That invoked my curiosity what do they use on ISS, I mean it's pretty far away from the nearest Apple store with pretty crappy ride to get there to replace a failed keyboard due to speck of dust floating in zero gravity. It is ThinkPads, those backwards astronauts use ThinkPads only with full size USB ports.
 
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Apple does have a large professional contingent but that doesn't people shouldn't complain or point out short comings. The latest MBPs have a number in inherent flaws, so much so many people are questioning their choices to stick with the platform. This thread being so long is evidence of that.

It's a joke at best, Apple needs to put up or shut up. Apple want's the "Halo" effect it needs to delver to it's professional audience, not the Starbucks crowd. I for one can state we are sick and tired of the BS, get the **** out of the business or step up and deliver, no more excuses, no more extended warranty plans. Deliver competent desktop computing solutions with a solid software solution, as currently Apple is coming across as a incompetent money grabbing, greedy corporation, little else.

I've vetoed all Apple's product and will continue to do so, as the client I most certainty expect the contractor to answer to me, not vice versa....

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It's a joke at best, Apple needs to put up or shut up.
I don't think its quite that bad, They keyboard is probably the biggest issue and the one that pushed me away (I'm also concerned about flexgate). The Apple ecosytem has its own set of advantages.

I forget where I posted but Dave2D has a video on why Apple may go with a 16" laptop and that will alleviate the corner they painted themselves into thermally with these hot running laptops. Yet will they roll this out in 2019 with a possible move to ARM in 2020? I personally do question Apple's commitment to the Mac Platform but the ecosystem makes sense for so many people and many content creators are on Macs

If Apple unveils or shows off their new Mac Pro in WWDC, I think we'll get a sense of Apple's dedication to the Mac platform.
 
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That invoked my curiosity what do they use on ISS, I mean it's pretty far away from the nearest Apple store with pretty crappy ride to get there to replace a failed keyboard due to speck of dust floating in zero gravity. It is ThinkPads, those backwards astronauts use ThinkPads only with full size USB ports.

Problem being we poor uneducated noobs are turning millions of USD while Apple clearly has the future in hand :p They have no clue, vast majority I know hate the new MBP for being port constrained and the TouchBar, talk about being out of touch it's a joke. Universally disliked by all I know, forcing the switch to W10, well done Tim & Co we really apricate you entertaining the kiddies and ****ing us over...

If one of my engineers suggested it was ok for a user to have to pay $700 USD for something as simple as keyboard replacement, he/she would be out the door in an instant, as engineers are employed to provide solutions not create issues...

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I don't think its quite that bad, They keyboard is probably the biggest issue and the one that pushed me away (I'm also concerned about flexgate). The Apple ecosytem has its own set of advantages.

I forget where I posted but Dave2D has a video on why Apple may go with a 16" laptop and that will alleviate the corner they painted themselves into thermally with these hot running laptops. Yet will they roll this out in 2019 with a possible move to ARM in 2020? I personally do question Apple's commitment to the Mac Platform but the ecosystem makes sense for so many people and many content creators are on Macs

If Apple unveils or shows off their new Mac Pro in WWDC, I think we'll get a sense of Apple's dedication to the Mac platform.

I hold my hardware providers to a high level, I don't want excuses or why we cant I want exactly what's on the label. Same with this ROG GL703GS trackpad it was terrible, however ASUS "owned it" and after several BIOS updates corrected the abhorrent behaviour.

Personally I'm tired of Apple coasting on the Pro aspect, and failing to deliver massively. Simply put Apple needs to put up or shut up. Same as my kids I just want them to try, Apple's just coasting and it shows in magnitudes...

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Personally I'm tired of Apple coasting on the Pro aspect, and failing to deliver massively.

Boy no kidding..

We are "hoping" to get a glance at a new Mac Pro SIX YEARS after the TrashCan came out.

Completely unacceptable.

They're no doubt over-engineering and over-thinking that product also.

If they'd listen to their own pro App developers and video customers they'd already have just put out a newer mini-tower that's upgradeable and moved on to other things.

This isn't hard.

Release something upgradeable, stop blocking NVIDIA drivers and get out of the way of your professional customers needs so they can do work.

You know - the "pro" part?
 
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After a month and a half of using a Windows laptop, I think I'm ready to jump off the Microsoft ship. The main reason is that I do a lot of photo editing, I purchased a top-of-the-line Windows laptop, and yet Photoshop performance with my 42MP RAW images is slow and laggy compared to what I'm used to on MacOS. I'm almost certain it would be smoother on a 15" MBP. The other reasons are that the overall Windows experience has been rougher and less polished than what I've grown accustomed to with Mac and iOS.

When I added Windows back into my setup I was fine without the iCloud and iMessage integration (I still have a watch, iPhone, iPad and iMac). I was a longtime Windows user before migrating everything to the Apple ecosystem. I certainly don't think Apple is perfect, and there are many issues I'd like to see them address, but after some time back with Windows I'm reminded why I switched to Mac.
 
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Boy no kidding..

We are "hoping" to get a glance at a new Mac Pro SIX YEARS after the Trash can came out.

Completely unacceptable.

New MacPro will be another locked down, locked in product, exactly what it's professional audience doesn't want. Apple's execs are so out of touch with the community it's a joke.

Apple wants to pay hard, no problem as more performant hardware is easily available, and now Apple has lost the custom, zero sales, zero revenue, zero endorsement...

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I hold my hardware providers to a high level, I don't want excuses
I'm not giving Apple a pass, they've made some questionable decisions with the MBP, but what I am saying is there is value for many people who are in the ecosystem. Apple has cut corners and shown to have some shortsightedness but I don't think its doom and gloom
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If it is, then that would be a huge mistake on their part. I do wonder (worry) that Apple will use the T2 chip as a means to lock down and lock out people on the software side, i.e., a time may be coming when macOS requires their proprietary T2. I'm hoping we don't see either issue, macOS or the Mac Pro being locked out.
 
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