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Given that you have so much experience and success with Linux, perhaps you would be willing to help me out with some questions. I like Linux and I would like to set it up on it's own machine instead of just doing VM's to experience it that way. But at the moment I hesitate because I have had so many driver and other issues in the past.

Not sure if I have "so much" experience, ie if I am the ultimate authority. ;)

But if I can, of course I could lend a hand
 
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Have you read Google's? That is even more annoying.

They're not alone, and privacy in the new millennium is a phantom, again not justifying their moves but just pointing out that we have no real privacy.

I completely agree with you two. And that is the reason why I strongly believe these things should be subject to legal regulations. Because of MS and Google's privacy terms, for example, members of my university are actually forbidden to put internal documents on MS or Google's cloud (not that anyone cares about this rule, which makes it even more dangerous).

Of course, in the modern age and tech, data is a valuable asset that can be used to develop new exiting products and provide new opportunities. So I also believe that companies should be allowed to collect and analyse data — as long as its done properly (employing differential privacy etc.).

I recognize that Apple has done a good job at ginning it's users up, and playing the white knight about privacy, but I was not born last night. The only reason Apple is playing the privacy card is because they want to use it against their competitors, particularly Alphabet.

Very much true. That's part of Apple's narrative: "Our business is not selling your data, its selling you products and services". Which is one of the reasons that I support Apple over others. I happen to like their old-fashioned narrative here :)
 
I'm not denying what's in there or excusing it. I do wonder why MS needs to go down this path, but they do. With windows being more open, and flexible then macOS, its easy enough to stop the sharing if you or anyone feels so moved.

They're not alone, and privacy in the new millennium is a phantom, again not justifying their moves but just pointing out that we have no real privacy.

There's openly available tools to shut down W10 telemetry for those that are concerned, personally I don't trust Apple or MS as they are both as guilty as the other, just that one is a little more open about it...

O&O ShutUp10 for one

If one wants privacy Linux is the solution with a modicum of knowledge, even W10 if you know what your doing.

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I was not referring to your organisation but to makers of professional equipment, who like to be stuck 2-3 generations behind. We also have to work with equipment that relies on particular USB standards and only works with selected laptops. Obviously we don't use Macs to operate that equipment.




My expectations are very similar to yours and that's why I have been using Apple for the past 10 years — they offer the best products for my purpose.

Overall, it seems that we are in agreement about key points but I still find it very difficult to understand your narrative. More powerful workstations with more ports and features than the MBP were available at all times. And if you story is that you needed better performing hardware, I don't understand why you stuck with Macs for so long. This time you got a larger 17" laptop that offers 20% more CPU performance. Few years ago you could have got a larger 17" laptop that offered 50-100% more performance. And I can understand that Apple's drive to embrace new standards of computing make their products less suitable for your use case — just as they decided to drop serial ports and embrace USB twenty years ago, for which they were widely criticised — but that's not Apple problem, and certainly not an indication that Apple is abandoning professional users. In my field (academia), Mac is as prevalent as ever.

Bottomline: pick the tool best for your job. Computers are not religion.
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I think you should re-read Windows Privacy Statement: https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-gb/privacystatement

Not only they use personal data for targeted advertising but also state that they will share your data "with vendors working on our behalf", "to protect our customers; to protect lives; to maintain the security of our products; and to protect the rights and property of Microsoft and its customers". And of course there is Windows keylogger...

Personally, I think that the privacy statement makes Windows 10 a risky software to be used in a corporate or governmental environment as MS fairly openly reserves the right to spy on you to "protect their products", which can frankly mean anything.

that's why German and Russian Government using Linux, they are suspicious over any mainstream software like Windows or MacOS, Russians also dropped Intel platform and they started using own CPU
 
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the old ways of surfing and privacy are gone
They are if we don't stand up for our rights, and there are popping up better alternatives.
In some ways it has been a good thing
Agree
That is more of a threat than Microsoft collecting data on their operating system.
Microsoft has the ability to know pretty much everything you do on your computer, and to me that's scary.
I recognize that Apple has done a good job at ginning it's users up, and playing the white knight about privacy, but I was not born last night. The only reason Apple is playing the privacy card is because they want to use it against their competitors, particularly Alphabet.
Of course, all large companies want is to make more money.
 
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There's openly available tools to shut down W10 telemetry for those that are concerned, personally I don't trust Apple or MS as they are both as guilty as the other, just that one is a little more open about it...

O&O ShutUp10 for one

If one wants privacy Linux is the solution with a modicum of knowledge, even W10 if you know what your doing.

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Agreed, while I don't care for what the privacy statement has to say, its easy enough to alter how much data is phoned home.
 
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They are if we don't stand up for our rights, and there are popping up better alternatives.

Agree

Microsoft has the ability to know pretty much everything you do on your computer, and to me that's scary.

Of course, all large companies want is to make more money.

It doesn't scare me because it is not personal data, and I am not doing anything that I have to worry about... But that is just me. On the other side of the coin I would never use Google cloud because they openly admit that anything on their cloud can be used by them for their purposes, in other words, they own it not you. This is to include your personal pictures. This is not something that Microsoft does. As a graphic artist I would never put my original work on Google, but have no issues with the terms of OneDrive.

As for fighting it well... It goes two ways, people want things for "free". But then they don't want the ads and data collecting that pay for them... You can't have it both ways. I don't mind paying for the things I want, which is why I don't do Freemium, but that is me.
 
There's openly available tools to shut down W10 telemetry for those that are concerned, personally I don't trust Apple or MS as they are both as guilty as the other, just that one is a little more open about it...

O&O ShutUp10 for one

If one wants privacy Linux is the solution with a modicum of knowledge, even W10 if you know what your doing.

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How much can you trust that after each time you updated your system ?

Not saying Apple is that great either, but to me currently it seems like the least bad alternative.
Except for the bad hardware, I'm really not happy about that.
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It doesn't scare me because it is not personal data
To what degree do you define personal data then ? because to me all data on my computer is personal.
Not trying to pick a fight, I'm just curious.
and I am not doing anything that I have to worry about... But that is just me.
Me neither, but there are still things I don't want anyone else to know.
 
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How much can you trust that after each time you updated your system ?

Not saying Apple is that great either, but to me currently it seems like the least bad alternative.
Except for the bad hardware, I'm really not happy about that.
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To what degree do you define personal data then ? because to me all data on my computer is personal.
Not trying to pick a fight, I'm just curious.

Me neither, but there are still things I don't want anyone else to know.

Simple update your security apps in line with the OS. Problem with Apple is you only really have Apple's word, Apple is very much in the business of making $$$$. What I do know is Apple pulls lots of user data, the bigger question for what purpose...

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They're not alone, and privacy in the new millennium is a phantom, again not justifying their moves but just pointing out that we have no real privacy.

To that end there was a recent Wall Street Journal article and a study by Privacy International, that have shown both IOS and Android Apps sharing data to social media sites such as Facebook without the user's permission. Some of those Apps on the two platforms include, Flo Period & Ovulation Tracker, BetterMe: Weight Loss Workouts, Breethe, Realtor.com and Instant Heart Rate: HR Monitor, Kayak, MyFitnessPal, Skyscanner and TripAdvisor.

As you say, real privacy has been eroding for quite some time.
 
How much can you trust that after each time you updated your system ?

Not saying Apple is that great either, but to me currently it seems like the least bad alternative.
Except for the bad hardware, I'm really not happy about that.
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To what degree do you define personal data then ? because to me all data on my computer is personal.
Not trying to pick a fight, I'm just curious.

Me neither, but there are still things I don't want anyone else to know.

The telementry doesn't have your name attached to it. It is just a computer. Microsoft has millions and millions of computers running Windows. Do you honestly believe that they can zero in on an individual computer? And for what purpose... Most people who are caught by the government etc, are found through their social media profiles that are flagged and monitored. No one can call up Microsoft and ask about a single computer.
 
if someone interested about Russian Astra Linux, you can download free (non commercial users) from official website
https://astralinux.ru/products/astra-linux-common-edition/
(the links are on the bottom website)
That's not how Russia works, I take Apple, MS, Google and even Facebook before I even look at the distro prepared for government led by a KGB agent who is currently engaged in massive scale hostile cyber operations around the world. I wouldn't even download the bloody thing.
 
That's not how Russia works, I take Apple, MS, Google and even Facebook before I even look at the distro prepared for government led by a KGB agent who is currently engaged in massive scale hostile cyber operations around the world. I wouldn't even download the bloody thing.

I'm not sure about Linux rules, but developer RusBitTech is a member of Linux Fundation a they should comply with GPL license, also they are not targeting with their product for any external markets
 
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The telementry doesn't have your name attached to it. It is just a computer. Microsoft has millions and millions of computers running Windows. Do you honestly believe that they can zero in on an individual computer? And for what purpose... Most people who are caught by the government etc, are found through their social media profiles that are flagged and monitored. No one can call up Microsoft and ask about a single computer.
As by the EULA Microsoft is entitled to read any data they want. Sure, why would they want any of my data, right?
On the other hand, even those who have nothing to hide or steal are unlikely to leave their doors unlocked. That‘s called privacy.
My data are none of MS ******* business, so why do they feel entitled to read my data at will? And no, there is no straigthforward way to opt out, nor is there any possibility of confirmation. We have to trust their word, which I certainly won‘t given their past. Their desire alone is revealing. And that would of course be true even if MS hadn‘t a history of user data and market power abuse
 
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My data are none of MS ******* business,
you're 100% right, but by the same token if you use gmail, or google's services then you give them the right to rifle through your emails and what not. They even allow third party developers access to your email

I see so many people complain about MS yet are happy to use gmail. I don't know if anyone in thread is using gmail, I'm making a more general observation. I personally don't use gmail, but I do use some of google's other services
 
you're 100% right, but by the same token if you use gmail, or google's services then you give them the right to rifle through your emails and what not. They even allow third party developers access to your email

I see so many people complain about MS yet are happy to use gmail. I don't know if anyone in thread is using gmail, I'm making a more general observation. I personally don't use gmail, but I do use some of google's other services

I don't use Gmail either, but a lot of folks do as well as Facebook, Tumblr, Instagram, etc. Chrome, Alexa, Google Home, etc. I am guessing TV Apps like Netflix and Hulu track which shows we watch and how often.
 
I don't use Gmail, but it's essentially impossible to avoid some type of Google tracking on the web, somewhere, at this point.

Avoiding Google is becoming like "avoiding oxygen"

Agreed. You only have to use Google as a search engine, visit YouTube, use Android, use Chrome, gMail etc. It is virtually unavoidable.

IMHO it is therefore trivial discussing which company 'spies the most'. Even if an OS does not collect some data (anonymized or not), your personal data is most definitely collected by means of other programs or websites. As said, it is unavoidable.
 
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