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Lenovo frequently has deals, and there are coupon codes to almost always bring the price down close if not more then 20%, where as Apple never has sales. No matter how you slice it, you can get a better machine for less then what apple charges.
I'm currently looking to upgrade my MBP and indeed, the price difference with Lenovo or Dell are quite big. HP, I don't know, because I couldn't understand their configuration website. The ones from Lenovo or Dell aren't great compared to Apple's, but at least I managed to find my way around.
Now, I've also been looking for a desktop solution for my home office. I've decided to reuse a server I have hanging around and to run macOS inside of ProxMox, a Linux-based hypervisor à la ESXi. Here's a guy who's basically running on a machine like that for his main mac: https://www.nicksherlock.com/2018/11/my-macos-vm-proxmox-setup/
Does anybody know if you can do something similar on a laptop? If you get one with a discrete GPU, then route that GPU directly to the macOS VM? It would be very interesting to find out. The more I get into Apple's ecosystem, the more I like it. I don't hate Windows, but it doesn't offer built-in power tools like a shell or TimeMachine. I know there are solutions to that (WSL, ...), but on the mac, it still "just works".
Now, I've also been looking for a desktop solution for my home office. I've decided to reuse a server I have hanging around and to run macOS inside of ProxMox, a Linux-based hypervisor à la ESXi. Here's a guy who's basically running on a machine like that for his main mac: https://www.nicksherlock.com/2018/11/my-macos-vm-proxmox-setup/
Does anybody know if you can do something similar on a laptop? If you get one with a discrete GPU, then route that GPU directly to the macOS VM? It would be very interesting to find out. The more I get into Apple's ecosystem, the more I like it. I don't hate Windows, but it doesn't offer built-in power tools like a shell or TimeMachine. I know there are solutions to that (WSL, ...), but on the mac, it still "just works".
All you have to do is right click on the icon and select uninstall. How hard is that to do? That’s what I did.
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I would recommend you asking in the alternatives to Mac forum, that way you can create a thread that dedicated to that topic.
I was referring to complaints and issues I read on Dell’s XPS forums about various XPS models when I was researching windows laptops. There is a XPS 9570 model, though.
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They are just links that can be removed, if not in installed they wont show in the Start Menu, no different than Google paying Apple $12 Billion for it to be the default search engine on macOS, that the user has to change in Safari's preference's if you don't want to be tracked all over the internet, assuming they are aware.
If one has no interest in the App and does not click the links or deletes them from the start menu the App's there is no impact, meanwhile unless your armed with some knowledge all your search's on a Mac & IOS devices are being pushed through Google's servers. Now that's double standards, as after all Apple is about your privacy, well until Alphabet is happy to pony up $12 billion, a controversy no doubt Apple would far prefer the masses don't think about too much.
Apple's favourite tracking search engine only reports about 3,010,000,000 hits no the same subject. What your postulating is something very different that these links are persistent and invasive which they are not, meanwhile Apple is in bed with Google, nice...
This and other aspects are why I equally distrust Microsoft and Apple with my privacy, that I'll deal with myself.
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I agree, this is one of the things that annoy me about Windows and I consider it unprofessional. You are also correct that Apple’s customers are picky about anything being downloaded to their devices (U2’s album comes to mind).
Speaking only for myself, even with issues like this, I have to decide if these software annoyances are worth using a machine that I physically have issues with.
You are missing the point and erecting strawmen.
My point is design compromises when doing convertibles.
I never told anyone what they should and shouldn’t use. In fact, I like many things about the Surface Book.
There's just no way that these scenarios are the same, sorry.
It's a good point - the Apple/Google connection, but it's not the same. I don't think it's even the same sport.
AFAIK these issues are (or were, as things have improved) far more intrusive on the Home edition, and since this is the "Pro" forum perhaps you folks are somewhat shielded from that.
Take a look here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10#Distribution_practices
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10#Privacy_and_data_collection
What do you mean by third party verification? As in: do other people have this? If so, I've posted tons of links in my previous posts and would encourage you to type "Windows 10 ads" into an internet search engine of your choice (maybe not Bing). There are literally hundreds of millions of posts over the internet discussing this.
The screenshot I posted was of a freshly installed Pro edition. One has to note that educational versions of Windows 10 seem to come with ads disabled, it might also be the case for enterprise versions as well. For most of our work machines, we use provisioned Windows that disables all this crap, but some machines I have to occasionally work with run regular home or pro edition.
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Oh my, sorry, after all this "got a screenshot for something that is known to annoy millions of users worldwide" stuff I kind of lost my sense of humour
I'll give you props man! You posted the screenshot. I see what you are saying and do not disagree with most of it. We do disagree on what I would characterize these links as. I do not see them as ads. I do find them annoying. I use the professional version, and all I had was candy crush on my surface and desktop. I right-clicked and removed. It was irritating but fine. The process can be repeated as often as necessary.The screenshot I posted was of a freshly installed Pro edition. One has to note that educational versions of Windows 10 seem to come with ads disabled, it might also be the case for enterprise versions as well. For most of our work machines, we use provisioned Windows that disables all this crap, but some machines I have to occasionally work with run regular home or pro edition.
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Oh my, sorry, after all this "got a screenshot for something that is known to annoy millions of users worldwide" stuff I kind of lost my sense of humour
You do have a point though. I have disabled Cortana and most of the other data collection stuff in Windows 10. I have that capability. Windows has always had more flexibility and a reason to need more flexibility. Apple believes in only allowing a user to do what they want them to do. Up to you if that is worth it. I am increasingly finding it far more annoying that I have to pay 20% or even more to avoid situations like your screenshot.
Next up for me is wondering whether Android is worth the switch. I can buy several used 1 year old Pixels for the same price as one used 1 year old iPhone. Seriously. I had no idea how much I was paying to live in the Apple ecosystem.
Sorry for the tangent. Anyway, thank you for the screenshot, and I a agree that those boxes (not that I would characterize them as ads) are annoying.
I agree, not very "Pro" on Microsoft's account to put trashy game links on the start menu. My HP Prodesk which has Win-10 Pro had Candy Crush linked in the app menu but not on the start menu, It was immediately deleted.
The following days I am going to buy the Mi Notebook Air 13" in space grey, i5 8250U, MX 150 2GB, 8GB ram, 256 super fast samsung ssd (+ Extra slot to add one more ssd if you want too!), great FHD display , great build quality, similar design with macbooks but still more minimalist, sadly not thunderbold 3 but it's fine by me, it will cost me 1000€ euros with 2 years warranty because Xiaomi has officially launched it in my country, while the cheapest macbook with 8gen CPU cost 2279€ in Greece (I am not kidding).
I need it for coding mostly and being able to watch my courses everywhere, so that's why I prefer 13" than than 15 too. I usually have 7-10 main apps open at the same time and I think I'll be able to do nice multitasking with it too. I need it for functionality and convenience but also being able to take my laptop out and going to univ, in 1 year I'll move abroad probably for a second master. I am searching for apps to replace some of my mac apps for functionality (like alfred) and I hope I'll find some of them, but it's not big issue. I will get used to windows again after 9 years, install linux too and work in both of them for my programming courses. I see only positives things after all. I will have my imac always in my desk if I need macos software anyway, while I am at home.
Hey, also I'll have MX 150, I will be able to play some great games after so long! Civ VI, NFS etc º╲˚\╭ᴖ_ᴖ╮/˚╱º ＹＡＹ！
Can't wait to take it in my hands and modify the ui as the examples here: https://digitalvanity.me/tagged/windows
Apple made me leave. I haven't bought a laptop the last years while I was waiting and waiting for very serious issues like the sticky keys to be solved... it turns out there is not reason of waiting, the solutions are out there in great prices. Shame on the hardware team!
I will always love macos, its qualities apps (+third party), its community, the functions, and maybe in 4 years I'll buy a mac again IF they will change they way they handle their customers. The last reply of "Small Number' of Users Who Continue to Have Issues" says it all for me (for most of us I guess). They regret nothing, they are not ashamed, they just continue following the script.
I need it for coding mostly and being able to watch my courses everywhere, so that's why I prefer 13" than than 15 too. I usually have 7-10 main apps open at the same time and I think I'll be able to do nice multitasking with it too. I need it for functionality and convenience but also being able to take my laptop out and going to univ, in 1 year I'll move abroad probably for a second master. I am searching for apps to replace some of my mac apps for functionality (like alfred) and I hope I'll find some of them, but it's not big issue. I will get used to windows again after 9 years, install linux too and work in both of them for my programming courses. I see only positives things after all. I will have my imac always in my desk if I need macos software anyway, while I am at home.
Hey, also I'll have MX 150, I will be able to play some great games after so long! Civ VI, NFS etc º╲˚\╭ᴖ_ᴖ╮/˚╱º ＹＡＹ！
Can't wait to take it in my hands and modify the ui as the examples here: https://digitalvanity.me/tagged/windows
Apple made me leave. I haven't bought a laptop the last years while I was waiting and waiting for very serious issues like the sticky keys to be solved... it turns out there is not reason of waiting, the solutions are out there in great prices. Shame on the hardware team!
I will always love macos, its qualities apps (+third party), its community, the functions, and maybe in 4 years I'll buy a mac again IF they will change they way they handle their customers. The last reply of "Small Number' of Users Who Continue to Have Issues" says it all for me (for most of us I guess). They regret nothing, they are not ashamed, they just continue following the script.
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To be fair, Microsoft uses their own search engine as default. Not sure that is any better than Apple using Google. In both cases it is easy to change the default search to something you prefer, which for the vast majority of users would be Google I suspect.
As I said before this to me is no worse than Apple installing crap on our Mac. Of this long and growing list of applications (including Game Center), I use 2.
-iMovie
-iPhoto
-GarageBand
-iTunes
-Safari
-iMessage
-iCal
-Contacts
-Reminders
-Notes
-Game Center
-Photo Booth
-Time Machine
-Terminal
-Dictionary
-Calculator
-Chess
-FaceTime
-Preview
-QuickTime
-Stickies
-TextEdit
- Pages
- Siri
- News
- Apple TV Service (coming soon?)
Can't we just install these, if and when, we need them.
Honestly, I wonder if they dropped pre-installing all of this bloat, maybe the 128 GB system SSD in entry systems would be enough for more people. But, I guess that would hurt purchases of their overprices SSD upgrades. Silly me.
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You have to wonder how long Microsoft Search engine will last as a separate interface. Microsoft is already replacing their Edge browser with a version based on Chromium. It is not a big step to think that will use the Google Search engine. Google and Microsoft seem to be co-operating/sharing a lot of technologies these days, and CEOs of the companies dine out together.
You forgot Books.
IMO, with the exception of maybe Chess, Game Center and Photo Booth, all of those applications and tools are useful and/or really nice to have (and many can be uninstalled). Bloatware is one matter, but a completely blank shell of an operating system is not something most Windows or Mac users desire. Many of the tools on your list are core features and a big part of macOS functionality and identity. Are you actually complaining about Terminal being preinstalled on macOS?
If you want, you can call them "sponsored app suggestions" or "promoted apps", but that doesn't rally change what these things are and how they work. So far, everyone in the windows community calls them ads. Funnily enough, Microsoft also calls them ads, since there is an "advertisement ID" connected to your Windows installation.
This argument is something I hear often and it surprises me over and over again. I would argue that macOS is a much more flexible OS. Windows has caught up a lot on the last few years by offering more built-in services (basic stuff like like PDF viewer, window space management or a OS-wide indexer), but macOS is still unmatched in terms of automation (you have full system-wide scriptability, extension points, customisable services), organisation (file tags, custom file resources, quicklook), management (fully documented standard-compliant unix administrative console), and additional utilities such as incremental backup, imaging or system-wide spell checker. Windows might be easier to mod visually, but thats basically it.
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MacOS has always been a distribution, which means that it has always come with a selection of applications and services that would make it usable right from start. Same goes for most linux distros. Until not long time ago, Windows was much more barebones, until MS decided to include a basic set of useful tuff like a mail client or a PDF reader. History of operating systems tell us that users prefer distributions to naked OS and it makes perfect sense.
And there is a HUGE difference whether the OS package comes with a specific selection of utilities from the start (which are clearly declared as part of the OS package), or whether the OS uses sneaky UI and data collection to push third-party apps onto your computer. If you really think that bundling an in-house design mail client with your OS is the same as tricking a user into installing a fitness utility from a third party in exchange of payment from that third party, then we probably won't be able to see eye to eye on many matters...
If they go ARM on the Macs you'll probably get your wish..
Soon it'll be "professional customers are optional"
Yeah, also remove that crappy "kernal_task", must be some sort of apple malware, constantly hogging RAM... damn you Tim Cook! If Steve were with us still...