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Anyone else abandoning ship?

Howard2k said:
Would you describe yourself as geeky? Or would you say you were super geeky?

My GF bought a cheap HP laptop and I had to spend a bunch of time cleaning off all the spurious crap they put on there. It was actually pretty damn usable when done, but fresh out of the box it was hammering the CPU and memory. Pretty disgraceful. She uses Windows for work purposes every day, but she's not comfortable doing this sort of clean up, and I don't think most people are.

I'm not suggesting that this is representative of ALL Windows machines, but I think it's more common with the bottom end stuff.
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None of the above “geeky” descriptions. I would consider myself more the “creative” type. Certainly *not* the IT/Dev type that some of our MR users appear to be.

Not at all familiar with Windows at the time either, but it sounds like HP and Dell are worse offenders than MS and that Windows Home is a worse offender than Pro.

That said, I found that setting for turning off the app suggestions in less time than it would take me to create a post about it :)
 
With regard to the Windows ads-in-the-OS thing, look what popped up while using Chrome in Mojave earlier. So Apple is guilty of shenanigans too...

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Having said that, the ads are tacky in Windows, if not a deal-breaker. Check out Paul Thurrot's site for a balanced view of the Windows world, warts and all, including this:

"Crapware. Windows 10 Home and Pro ship with crapware. Now go back and think about Satya Nadella explaining that he wanted customers to “love” Windows 10. This is an affront, and it’s unacceptable.

Advertising. I first complained about the “slippery slope” of advertising in Windows way back in 2012, and as I feared, it’s only gotten worse since then. Much worse. Compared to macOS and Linux, neither of which feature in-box advertising, this is rather low-rent."
https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/162506/windows-10-3-good-bad-ugly

Also, some guides to turning it all off:
https://www.thurrott.com/windows/wi...f-lock-screen-start-action-center-advertising
https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/106424/windows-10-tip-turn-off-file-explorer-advertising
 
eltoslightfoot said:
No you are correct, at this point they are better.
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That's like your opinion dude. And you're on Macrumors..
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jeremiah256 said:
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IMHO, you're right and you are wrong.

You're right in that there is no comparison in the PC or Google world to the ease of use and the capabilities you have if you stay in the Apple ecosystem. I'd prefer to stay in the Apple laptop ecosystem because as much as I love using macOS, iOS and macOS together are like...I believe the use of the word "wonderful" is appropriate.

That said, you're wrong in that I don't enjoy the laptop hardware that is currently acting as the middle man between me and macOS. So here I am, a Mac laptop user since 2001, trying to figure out how to keep macOS front and center to my portable workstation computing, but for the first time in my life, envious, lustful, and to be honest, resentful, of what is being produced in the PC world.

Buy minimum RAM and upgrade as needed? I used to have that with my MBP. A laptop that also allows you to have two SSDs that can be swapped out? Brings back bitter sweet memories of when I removed the slow HDD and SuperDrive from my MBP and replaced both with SSDs. Access to the best graphics cards because the laptop manufacturer doesn't have a beef with Nvidia? Been there, done that.

With the way Apple is trending with the T2 type chip and rumors of modules being their way forward with desktops, I feel I need to get what could very well be my last Mac now, and at the same time start transitioning out of the Apple ecosystem. That this is so difficult is a testament to how I loved Apple's laptops and especially to how great macOS has been for me.

They might as well call the next version of macOS "Brokeback Mountain" because "I wish I knew how to quit you..." seems to be a theme for many of us.
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well Im right for me.
Windoz is not an option for me.
Don't like the new mac prices or options buy a used mac..easy
 
Mendota said:
Well I don't know how to tell you this... but you are not everyone. There are actually people who appreciate these apps and the knowledge that the Microsoft store exist, something that is not obvious to everyone.
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Which does not change the fact that "remove ads windows 10" returns over 400 million hits in google. So clearly, there are a lot of people who do not appreciate it. In fact, there seem to be many more resources on the internet about disabling ads in Windows 10 than there are resources about Apple's unreliable keyboards ;)

Mendota said:
What is your point? This thread isn't about people being unhappy with MacOS, it is about the shoddy hardware issues.
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The point is that there was someone in the thread (don't remember who) complaining about advertising pop ups on Windows, then other users were discussing this, and then I added the bit about unsolicited app ads in the Windows menus and then a lot of people were doubting me and the entire thing kind of spiralled out of control.

Frankly, I have no idea why you guys switched to discussing Windows, I haven't been following this thread for the last 50 or so pages.

Mendota said:
Why do you have to be so negative to Microsoft?
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I have a deep dislike for Microsoft's business practices and I believe that they have caused deep damage to the progress of computing in the last decades by abusing their monopolist position. I also dislike their company culture and the ugly dysfunctional software they produce. The last one is subjective of course, but the first two claims I can substantiate, if there is interest :) Probably not a topic of this thread though. Just though that you deserve an answer.
 
eltoslightfoot said:
Or, I could get a much more powerful device running windows. But thanks.
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Depends every Mac user know windoz is less money...more powerful maybe yes maybe no..
you have to figure in viruses and windoz issues to that..no thanks.
I don't' go to PC sites and complain about PCs..but good luck with that.
 
eltoslightfoot said:
Or, I could get a much more powerful device running windows. But thanks.
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Which would mean regressions in some other areas, which might be more or less relevant for you. I regularly keep a watch on the PC market but so far I see nothing that could replace my 15" MBP. Yeah, fast PC laptops are getting more compact, but they simply don't have the battery life and overall usability that I need from my Mac. The only issue for me is the price, but quite honestly, if I went PC I'd probably look at compact workstation class laptops, and they are more or less the same price.

In the end, get the best tool that does the job. For me, it's still a Mac. Depending on where the industry (and Apple) is going, that might change in a few years.
 
fourthtunz said:
Depends every Mac user know windoz is less money...more powerful maybe yes maybe no..
you have to figure in viruses and windoz issues to that..no thanks.
I don't' go to PC sites and complain about PCs..but good luck with that.
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I don’t think you understand what this thread is about. We are not windows users who became windows users. We are Mac users who can’t believe we are now windows users. Or we are Mac users who are considering windows.

Also, go to pc sites. They definitely complain about PCs.
 
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Mendota said:
You are the only one calling them design compromises, so yes I am calling you out on it. I'm sorry but your word alone does not a fact make.
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  • The hinge creates a large bulge and makes the laptop much thicker at the point, also creating a large gap: design compromise.
  • The battery life of the tablet is ~half of what leading tablets are: design compromise.
  • The screen is thicker and heavier than laptop screens: design compromise.
  • The degrees of the freedom of the hinge are relatively limited: design compromise.
 
My win10 experience got a lot better when I fully disabled Cortana, Skype and OneDrive

lol

They should honestly offer a "retro"..."mostly pretend the internet services don't exist" mode.

I basically want Win10 design/security/etc while, interface wise, pretending it's Windows 98/XP/7-ish at the most
 
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Why is apple charging an extra 200 bucks for a 100 buck ssd drive?
Beside they are apple!
After skimming thru theses replies, it seems to me that the pro window users are arguing among themselves!
No i cant provide a screen shot of this......
 
maflynn said:
Lenovo frequently has deals, and there are coupon codes to almost always bring the price down close if not more then 20%, where as Apple never has sales. No matter how you slice it, you can get a better machine for less then what apple charges.
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off course, that is what exactly i am saying..much lower price for wonderful specifications..
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CE3 said:
I was referring to complaints and issues I read on Dell’s XPS forums about various XPS models when I was researching windows laptops. There is a XPS 9570 model, though.
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ohh. not aware of XPS 9570 model..
 
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I have used both windows and mac and for work, I use a windows laptop but at home, I have both and still wouldn't move to windows full time.
 
leman said:
Which does not change the fact that "remove ads windows 10" returns over 400 million hits in google. So clearly, there are a lot of people who do not appreciate it. In fact, there seem to be many more resources on the internet about disabling ads in Windows 10 than there are resources about Apple's unreliable keyboards ;)



The point is that there was someone in the thread (don't remember who) complaining about advertising pop ups on Windows, then other users were discussing this, and then I added the bit about unsolicited app ads in the Windows menus and then a lot of people were doubting me and the entire thing kind of spiralled out of control.

Frankly, I have no idea why you guys switched to discussing Windows, I haven't been following this thread for the last 50 or so pages.



I have a deep dislike for Microsoft's business practices and I believe that they have caused deep damage to the progress of computing in the last decades by abusing their monopolist position. I also dislike their company culture and the ugly dysfunctional software they produce. The last one is subjective of course, but the first two claims I can substantiate, if there is interest :) Probably not a topic of this thread though. Just though that you deserve an answer.
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Well at least now that you have explained your bios and jealousy I don't have to wonder anymore about where you resentment is coming from. Clearly you want to blame Microsoft for Apple's issues over the years, well that is on Apple and their business practices have been quite questionable as well. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. Apple issues are on them. This thread exist because of Apple's shady practices. And they have always been shady, it is just now beginning to catch up with them again. They well either fix the problems or not

And there is nothing you can substantiate for me. I have been around since the beginning and I know full well the story of both companies.

At the end of the day, putting white and black hats on companies is pointless
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booksbooks said:
  • The hinge creates a large bulge and makes the laptop much thicker at the point, also creating a large gap: design compromise.
  • The battery life of the tablet is ~half of what leading tablets are: design compromise.
  • The screen is thicker and heavier than laptop screens: design compromise.
  • The degrees of the freedom of the hinge are relatively limited: design compromise.
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None of what you are saying is fact. And most of it is untrue. You keep trying to imply that your "opinion" is somehow gospel or fact. It is not. And your attempts to say it over and over doesn't change anything.
 
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leman said:
The only issue for me is the price, but quite honestly, if I went PC I'd probably look at compact workstation class laptops, and they are more or less the same price.
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The MPB, 15" 2.2GHz, 6-core, 8th gen i7 MBP, keeping it at 16GBs and upping the SSD to 512GBs is $2600. A very powerful workstation.

One comparable Windows PC is the Dell XPS 15, with the same processor, RAM, storage, and a comparable GPU for $1500. A 40% difference in price. This is pretty much how it is all across the various selections, regardless of 13" or 15".

Understanding that someone would have subjective reasons for preferring the Mac, I doubt there are any objective benchmarks that would indicate that the MBP is 40% better at anything than the Dell.
 
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