Apple Announces Digital WWDC 2022 Event Taking Place June 6-10

[lazygolfer666]

Because it's inclusive for a larger audience, and the quality of the pre-produced tech presentations is way higher than live sessions ever were?

I think it loses the magic and just looks like a recorded advertisement where everything looks perfect. Miss a live keynote where -like it or not- they interact with people and products can fail, or they need to ask the public to stop using wifi.. They still can reach everyone, but I guess is all about selling now.

 

[seclusion]

OS 16, once a single core process goes above 50-60%, automatically the load is distributed evenly to the rest of the cores, even on intel machines, so that single core processes can fully utilize the CPU performance blast

 

[darngooddesign]

Uh, no... It is an upgraded (SoC, RAM, SSD, & Ethernet) base M2 Pro-powered Mac mini...

A base M2 Max Mac Studio would have:

• 12-core CPU (8P/4E)
• 24-core GPU (w/32-core option)
• 32GB LPDDR5 SDRAM (w/64GB option)
• 400GB/s UMA
• 512GB NVMe SSD
• 10Gb Ethernet
• Space Gray (hopefully)
• $1999

Regardless. The Mini will use the regular M2 to stay as their affordable desktop so the Studio is the Mac Mini Pro. Your only hope is if Apple does an M2-Pro Studio, but they may want it to start with the M2-Max.

 

[Paradoxally]

Because it's inclusive for a larger audience, and the quality of the pre-produced tech presentations is way higher than live sessions ever were?

The Keynote is whatever, make that live, it's a press event.

However, the quality of the dev sessions is far better. That is important because they contain a lot of good info you won't find anywhere else, and having them in high quality without the audience in the background makes it easier to understand and reference.

They should continue this format even when WWDC transitions back to a live event. Have 1 day for live keynote + state of the union, then everything else is online except hands-on sessions.

 

[44267547]

The obvious question when will they actually hold an in person event again? Is this the new normal?

It’s the convenience factor I think of having an event that doesn’t require a mass audience streaming to the masses. So is this the ‘new normal’? I think it is, because it doesn’t require to have a need for an audience, when spectators can simply watch from the comfort of their office or home venue, and still completely be in tune to what’s happening.

 

[Paradoxally]

In-person industry events are going the way of hot pants and hula hoops. Virtual events allow much more creativity and control. They’re a better experience for the end user, imo.

Yup, E3 was a prime example. I'm glad tech companies are now avoiding massive events that only contribute more to climate change. If Apple wants to be carbon neutral by 2030 they need to start setting the example for the rest of the industry (and not only because of COVID restrictions).

Online is far cheaper, too.

 

[bn-7bc]

That would be awesome. iPad OS itself needs alot of work. Starting with split screen and multi-tasking...

Ok rhis will be unpopular here, but I'd rather see ma release visual studio for Ios ( that is a port of the windows version of vs not the horrid thing thst is vs for mac that thing needs to die in a fire), any way starnger things have happened

 

[Paradoxally]

Developer here. I’m glad they’re staying digital. The developer videos from the last 2 WWDCs are WAY easier to follow than the live presentations, where presenters are often nervous and Apple is compelled to fill an hour of time. The pre-recorded videos are sometimes 10 minutes and get right to the point. They’re great! What I want to see:

- Big improvements to iPadOS
- I want SwiftUI to be considered the top way to make apps. I‘m rebuilding all my personal apps in SwiftUI and it is immeasurably easier to maintain and update these apps.
- Maps, maps, maps! It’s the 10th anniversary of Apple Maps and I’m hoping for some deep SwiftUI integration.
- Better SwiftUI integration with ALL Apple frameworks. This is already easier than UIKit, but there’s another level they can go.

For me it’s all about SwiftUI. It’s been the most welcome change in my development work and will allow me to make better apps moving forward.

Hah. I'm precisely the opposite here, I want UIKit to continue to be refined because SwiftUI is not a good replacement to the apps I work on a daily basis. There's a lack of documentation, and I remember not being able to do a lot of things that you could with UIKit. Not sure if that changed, but it was a hassle.

Even when I start with new apps I use UIKit. I can build an MVP in much less time using any modern architecture (MVC, MVVM, VIP) and UIKit gives me peace of mind when it comes to the UI (all of it programmatic, using SnapKit for constraints). It also supports older versions for clients who have apps that still run on iOS 12.

SwiftUI will undoubtedly be improved upon, but it's not something many enterprise-focused devs consider "mature" (myself included). The only thing I use from the SwiftUI world is previews via injection (aka hot reloading), so it allows me to iterate quickly on implementing designs without having to constantly build the app.

 

[Orange Bat]

However, the quality of the dev sessions is far better. That is important because they contain a lot of good info you won't find anywhere else, and having them in high quality without the audience in the background makes it easier to understand and reference.

They should continue this format even when WWDC transitions back to a live event. Have 1 day for live keynote + state of the union, then everything else is online except hands-on sessions.

This. A thousand times this. I have always used WWDC videos to help make apps, but the last 2 years have been a real joy to use the videos. The live developer presentations are distracting and not as focused. The fact that they fit information into smaller 10-30 minute videos is a plus in itself. I really wish Apple would create a developer video series where they talk about developer issues all year long rather than just pile on at WWDC. They are by far the best at describing their own technologies and Frameworks.

 

[Orange Bat]

Hah. I'm precisely the opposite here, I want UIKit to continue to be refined because SwiftUI is not a good replacement to the apps I work on a daily basis. There's a lack of documentation, and I remember not being able to do a lot of things that you could with UIKit. Not sure if that changed, but it was a hassle.

Even when I start with new apps I use UIKit. I can build an MVP in much less time using any modern architecture (MVC, MVVM, VIP) and UIKit gives me peace of mind when it comes to the UI (all of it programmatic, using SnapKit for constraints). It also supports older versions for clients who have apps that still run on iOS 12.

SwiftUI will undoubtedly be improved upon, but it's not something many enterprise-focused devs consider "mature" (myself included).

Completely understandable. I get that many developers, especially enterprise level developers, benefit from UIKit. However, as an individual developer who does it all myself, SwiftUI has made my workflow significantly simpler. I avoided updating my apps in the past because of the complexity of managing state using UIKit. It was just too easy to screw up an app and spend days or weeks trying to make it work the way I needed. With SwiftUI I can’t mess much up and it’s so much easier to prototype my apps.

 

[Paradoxally]

The fact that they fit information into smaller 10-30 minute videos is a plus in itself.

Yeah, having presenters mull over their words for an hour in this day and age is too much. My time is valuable, and so are many devs'. 10 minute sessions for some topics is perfect.

 

[Boil]

Regardless. The Mini will use the regular M2 to stay as their affordable desktop so the Studio is the Mac Mini Pro. Your only hope is if Apple does an M2-Pro Studio, but they may want it to start with the M2-Max.

Yes, the Mn-powered Mac mini will be the "affordable desktop"...

But there is a gaping hole in the Mac headless desktop line-up...!

Mn Mac mini - $699
???
Mn Max Mac Studio - $1999
Mn Ultra Mac Studio - $3999
Intel Mac Pro - $5999

A Mn Pro-powered Mac mini, starting at $1099 (same price as the "high-end" 2018 Intel Mac mini it would replace) would fill that gap nicely...

At the moment, the 14" & 16" 2021 MBP laptops are the only Macs using the M1 Pro SoC...

 

[Paradoxally]

I avoided updating my apps in the past because of the complexity of managing state using UIKit.

Can you elaborate with an example? I'm curious about this because managing state is a crucial part of an app but every time I look at a SwiftUI video from Apple regarding passing data I get confused about how that is better than having things separated e.g. like VIP does (view, interaction, presenter).

Sure, SwiftUI does a lot of the heavy lifting but sometimes that can lead to obscure bugs where you expect the framework to do A and it does B.

 

[Kierkegaarden]

Don’t expect hardware — this will all be about software — maybe a glimpse of rOS?

 

[mdriftmeyer]

Yay! Such an exciting time. It's going to be so much fun.

Swift is going to be a big part of it this year. Can't wait to see what Apple has been cooking

That's why they rewrote Music in ObjC and AppKit

 

[EugW]

Don’t expect hardware — this will all be about software — maybe a glimpse of rOS?

Apple has often released hardware at WWDC.

For example, several different generations of Mac Pros were announced at WWDC. The iMac Pro as well as other hardware have also been released at WWDC. That’s why I think there will be a good chance the 2022 Mac Pro will also be announced at WWDC.

 

[darngooddesign]

But there is a gaping hole in the Mac headless desktop line-up...!

Mn Mac mini - $699
???
Mn Max Mac Studio - $1999

The gap starts getting filled once you move past the base entry level computer.

The 16GB 8/8 M1 Mini with 512GB is $1199 with comparable Ethernet.

Based on the cost of MBP upgrades, a theoretical 32GB M1-Pro Mini is $1799 ($400 RAM and $200 Processor)

For only $200 more you can get the M1-Max Studio, which is next to nothing considering how long you would use the M1-Max Studio.

 

[EugW]

The gap starts getting filled once you move past the base entry level computer.

The 16GB 8/8 M1 Mini with 512GB is $1199 with comparable Ethernet.

Based on the cost of MBP upgrades, a theoretical 32GB M1-Pro Mini is $1799 ($400 RAM and $200 Processor)

For only $200 more you can get the M1-Max Studio, which is next to nothing considering how long you would use the M1-Max Studio.

Most people don‘t need ”comparable Ethernet”. Most people also don’t need 32 GB.

The current “high end” Intel Mac mini is $1299 for 16 GB RAM and 512 GB storage. A $700 difference is not ”next to nothing”. A lot people would be extremely pleased to be able to buy a M1 Pro / M2 Pro Mac mini with 16 GB RAM and 512 GB storage as well as a few more ports for $1299.

BTW, the Mac Studio is tall enough that it won’t even fit below my older 30” Apple display.

 

[darngooddesign]

The person I’m replying to wants 32GB; their difference is 200-300 depending on Ethernet choices.

The 16/512 Mini is 1099 and much faster then the Intel Mini.

 

[EugW]

The person I’m replying to wants 32GB; their difference is 200.

The 16/512 Mini is 1099 and much faster then the Intel Mini.

@Boil didn’t specify 32 GB in that post. Even if he wanted that for himself, his post specified a $1099 starting point for M1 Pro. And even with 32 GB, that’s $1699 with 512 GB, since most people don’t need “comparable Ethernet”.

Also, one issue with the M1 mini is that it is short on ports.

 

[darngooddesign]

@Boil didn’t specify 32 GB in that post. Even if he wanted that for himself, his post specified a $1099 starting point for M1 Pro. And even with 32 GB, that’s $1699 with 512 GB, since most people don’t need “comparable Ethernet”. Also, one issue with the M1 mini is that it is short on ports.

Boil wanted 10G Ethernet and 1TB.

 

[Leon Ze Professional]

Often think the Swift logo is reminiscent of the Mockingjay symbol.

Maybe it's Swift in stealth mode?

 

[darngooddesign]

Based on current prices, Boil's theoretical Studio costs as much as the current base Studio. Considering you probably want to have an external drive anyway, would someone really choose a slower processor just to get a 1TB internal drive on a desktop? A Mini with those same specs does not cost less.

32/512 M1-Max Studio $2000
32/1TB M1-Pro Studio $2000

I agree that a 16GB M1-Pro desktop would be good. I just think Apple thinks the gap between the two is acceptable now. In a year or two who knows but they are probably devoting chip resources to the upcoming MacPro and M2fying the regular Mini and Air.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

BTW, the Mac Studio is tall enough that it won’t even fit below my older 30” Apple display.

Hung mine on the wall behind the monitor. It's basically invisible now and doesn't take up any desk space at all.

 

[kirky29]

Split screen on iOS please. And much more customisation options.