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For all of those complaining that this thread is being hijacked by reception comments: iphone 4 and the reception issue go hand-in-hand. You can't have a discussion about one without the other. It's a hot topic right now.

Reminds me of...when George W Bush would do something seemingly popular (like pardon a turkey on Thanksgiving), many on the left would say "Why doesn't he pardon all those innocent Iraqis dying in the unjust war??! Bush lies!!" (note: I don't intend to turn this into a political thread!!)

Right now, given the press dedicated to it, it's hard to think about the iphone when it, um, can't make a phone call when you hold it your hand.

Are you high, or retarded?

:rolleyes:
 
Selling 1.7 mil of anything in three days is quite impressive.

I do wonder however how many 3GS's would have been sold if the early upgrade would have been in effect last year.
 
iPhone4 - 77% = repeat customer
Google - 160,000 Android Phones Sold Per Day

2010 Smartphone Market by Platform [Estimate on June 28, 2010]

1. Symbian [73 Million]
2. Android [58 Million]
3. Blackberry [46 Million]
4. iPhone OS [35 Million]
5. Windows Mobile 6.5 [8.5 Million]

What's the big deal?

How can you miss it? Apple sells JUST the iPhone, true different sizes and colors, but it's just the iPhone. Everything else on your list has several different handsets. It's a huge deal. Especially considering the US is still tied to a single carrier
 
I use O2 in the UK and no dropped calls

It does, repeatedly. Let's hope it really can be fixed with a software update...

Of course I did invest in a bumper which seems a lucky accident. If the rumoured IOS4 fix doesn't resolve the issue then go buy a bumper.

As far as Steve Jobs peremptory reply - I wonder how many emails he got with 1.7 million iphones sold. If a software patch is on the way then clearly Apple are not ignoring this issue they have been looking at getting a fix produced rather than micromanaging every email that comes in.;);)
 
did european carriers also moved the early upgrade policy about 6 months or it is only ATT in US?

it will be tough for asian carriers to do so, since iPhone is expensive there and data plans are cheaper there - ex - singapore ... they might stick with 2 year upgrade policy

O2 in the UK let you upgrade early if you paid £20 per month remaining on the contract.
 
Now I'm a huge Apple fan, but the SteveSpin is just not accurate. Apple sold 1.7 million phones since they started pre-order sales on the 15th, but hey! i'm lovin being a shareholder!
 
HTC EVO = Sprint only
Droid X = Verizon only
Iphone = AT&T
Carriers have its own exclusive deals. :confused:

Doesn't work that way in Australia and other countries. I wonder why it's like that in the US? (That's not rhetorical by the way, if anyone knows the answer.)
 
did european carriers also moved the early upgrade policy about 6 months or it is only ATT in US?

it will be tough for asian carriers to do so, since iPhone is expensive there and data plans are cheaper there - ex - singapore ... they might stick with 2 year upgrade policy

Not that I know of.

I know that in UK the phone can be upgraded 2 months before the expiring date, and contract usually are of 18 months, even though there are of 24 as well.
 
Doesn't work that way in Australia and other countries. I wonder why it's like that in the US? (That's not rhetorical by the way, if anyone knows the answer.)
In the US, carriers lock down their phones to sell contracts - thats their business motives. Sadly all the national carriers use differing network technologies making it difficult to sell phones unlocked and their high prices makes subsidization the only viable business model. Carriers exert huge amounts of control regarding handsets to entice long term contracts. People just don't "switch carriers" all that frequently.
 
Now I'm a huge Apple fan, but the SteveSpin is just not accurate. Apple sold 1.7 million phones since they started pre-order sales on the 15th, but hey! i'm lovin being a shareholder!

Lead sentence: "CUPERTINO, California—June 28, 2010—Apple® today announced that it has sold over 1.7 million of its iPhone® 4 through Saturday, June 26, just three days after its launch on June 24."

How is that not accurate? The release says "through" Saturday, not that 1.7 were sold since launch on June 24. Once can, and should, infer by "through" that the 1.7m number is all iP4 sales up to, and including Saturday, the end of the fiscal quarter. That includes preorders.
 
O2 upgrade in UK

Not that I know of.

I know that in UK the phone can be upgraded 2 months before the expiring date, and contract usually are of 18 months, even though there are of 24 as well.

If you are willing to pay £20 for every month left on your contract O2 in the UK will upgrade you. Then you pay for the handset around £250 or so depending on your length of new contract..
 
As great as the iPhone 4's are (besides the reception issue), as a non-existing customer, I can't see myself getting one due to the fact that AT&T got rid of the unlimited data plan. I am not paying $25 a month for 2GB!
 
Can somebody explain me why the iPhone over it's 2 year contract lifetime is much more expensive than the iPad 3G ? It's just because people are willing to pay as much as a laptop costs for a cell phone isn't it?
 
As great as the iPhone 4's are (besides the reception issue), as a non-existing customer, I can't see myself getting one due to the fact that AT&T got rid of the unlimited data plan. I am not paying $25 a month for 2GB!

All companies are moving in this direction... Wait and see in about 2 weeks.
 
How can you miss it? Apple sells JUST the iPhone, true different sizes and colors, but it's just the iPhone. Everything else on your list has several different handsets. It's a huge deal. Especially considering the US is still tied to a single carrier

The only ones you could compare on that list to the Iphone is Blackberry as they use their own software in their own phones. All the others are software that is attached to various hardware of varying manufacturers.

The fact that since the launch of the Iphone RIM has increased its sales and profits as people realised that smartphones aren't so bad is also a good thing.

Whether you love or hate Apple/Iphone you cannot deny that it changed the way people perceive the use of their mobile phones. No longer is calls the only thing that people want from their phone. It also made the phone manufactures up their game as they really were just resting on their tuchas and not being creative in any way. I'm glad we have all this choice now....thanks to Apple ;-)
 
I'm thrilled with my iPhone 4. I was thinking about switching to Android for something different but the improvements with iOS4 have kinda made it "new" again for me. I'm totally spoiled with the display--now I know why they launched the iPad first.
 
Can somebody explain me why the iPhone over it's 2 year contract lifetime is much more expensive than the iPad 3G ? It's just because people are willing to pay as much as a laptop costs for a cell phone isn't it?

iPhone 4 is about $599 without contract.

iPad with 16GB, 3G, GPS is $629
(without: hi-def video camera or any camera, or or or...)

How is that more expensive?
 
In the US, carriers lock down their phones to sell contracts - thats their business motives. Sadly all the national carriers use differing network technologies making it difficult to sell phones unlocked and their high prices makes subsidization the only viable business model. Carriers exert huge amounts of control regarding handsets to entice long term contracts. People just don't "switch carriers" all that frequently.

Also, when cell phones first started selling in the US, it was a very hard sell to get customers to pay the real price of the phone up front. Carriers decided to subsidized this price by using a contract.

Even today most consumers would balk if carriers moved to a 'pay full price for the phone with no contract' model regardless if it would save the consumer money over time.
 

John Killian, the CEO of Verizon stated when discussing wireless data plans:
“We will probably need to change the design of our pricing where it will not be totally unlimited, flat rate…”

And the other company I speak of is doing the same... as I said 2 week or so we'll see.
 
Fact 1. I put my hand around my iPhone which lowers the signal strength.
Fact 2. This happens with any phone.
Fact 3. 1.7 Million buy iPhone 4 and 10,000 of those people who can shout the loudest on the internet can replicate said issue, therefore that translates into a product recall. Never mind the fact that if such public interest wasn't widespread on the internet not many people would actually notice or care.

Fact 4. If I put my hand over the screen of my phone, I can't see the screen, can anybody else check this for me and see if they have the same issue, this iPhone might now need to be recalled due to this obvious design flaw.
 
Also, when cell phones first started selling in the US, it was a very hard sell to get customers to pay the real price of the phone up front. Carriers decided to subsidized this price by using a contract.

Even today most consumers would balk if carriers moved to a 'pay full price for the phone with no contract' model regardless if it would save the consumer money over time.

I think they would have to lower the cost of the monthly contract also. I mean, if they could subsidize the cost of the phone with that monthly price, then I would want something lower if I was buying the phone.

I wish they would lower the cost of my plan when the 2 years was up and I decided to keep my phone. That would be cool. Not holding my breath though.
 
John Killian, the CEO of Verizon stated when discussing wireless data plans:
“We will probably need to change the design of our pricing where it will not be totally unlimited, flat rate…”

And the other company I speak of is doing the same... as I said 2 week or so we'll see.

Sprint it is!
 
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