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Just shows how embarrassed iPhone 4 owners have become carrying so outdated phones (small RAM, single core underperforming CPU etc.) They had to rush to order iPhone 4S even though this one still lags behind the best Android phones and will look really outdated once Samsung Nexus Prime is released (in a few weeks).
 
This would be a very selective barometer of success, because the vast majority of iPhone4 users are still under contract and not yet upgrade eligible. It would therefore be meaningless if it were even possible to discern the number - though at a quick glance and without noting the realities, it would undoubtedly look poor.

Who said anything about it being a gauge for success. I only said I'd be interested in what that number was. I wasn't looking to prove or disprove.

As I stated - there's no argument that the iPhone 4s is selling well nor is it at all surprising.
 
I swear these names Google comes up for their Android releases are just plain silly, Gingerbread, Ice Cream Sandwich, etc.

I think a lot of it has to do with Google's effort to brand itself as the choice of geeks. Google always try to present itself as a geek-friendly company who has that College kids like playfulness and real passion for tech who don't care about the business conventions. A good example to be bidding the Pi in that patent auction.

This also explains why they have pushed so hard the "open" (open as in open when Google likes it) and "don't be evil" ideals even though anybody could see most of that is just propping up Google's money making business of selling ads.

The ironic part is that geeks tend to be the ones who despite the ads. Thus you rarely see Google boast how well they are doing in the ads market. They dominate the online advertising market, but Google doesn't really come out and say that with glee. Because they know geeks don't like ads and this hurts Google's intended image.

Don't forget that not only this helps Google with young tech users but also those college graduates working in the field. It's often overlooked but I'd imagine selling the image of your company as a playful "open" geek-friendly company definitely helps in recruiting because top CS/Engineer types tend to fit that mould.
 
Right, so how come there is no single android phone (available also on many if not all carriers) with a 1 000 000 in 24 hours preorders? That's not only availability that's playing here.

...hence why i said tends to help. Of course there are other factors. Don't care about Android, i never mentioned Android (or any other platform) in any of my posts

Apple fans can be really funny at times...getting all defensive for absolutely nothing.
 
To be fair the Nexus series isn't really just a regular Android phone. It's Google's way of saying "Here's the reference development phone, and this is the standard version of Android on hardware that we think should be about the standard." So it's never just about the sales figure.

Still Nexus is an interesting business case study because Google took three entirely different approaches:

The first Nexus One was indeed a standard setting device that remains decent even to this day with 1Ghz CPU and a 512MB RAM. However after all the chest thumping its sales bombed as it sold only a little above 100,000 in 2 months, if I remember correctly. Google had the grand vision of selling the phone directly without going through carriers but they gave up and admitted it was a mistake.

The second Nexus, the Nexus S was nothing but a rebranded Samsung Galaxy S with little changes and even downgraded in some aspects from the Galaxy S. In terms of specs, it was actually behind the phones that started to appear at the end of 2010 and many Android enthusiasts were disappointed. However the phone sold a lot better than the Nexus One as it was much more prevalent in retails.

So now Google had learnt. Specs is important and online spec wars is nice to have, but at the end it's all about carrier support. So this time, they are hoping to get some real support from Verizon while making a new spec leader and a standard phone. Thus it is a combination of the Nexus One and Nexus S.

Another interesting point here is Verizon is the carrier of choice. Verizon doesn't state this but as the carrier who likes to have most control over their phones, they are probably not very happy about iPhone even though they tolerate it as far as they don't lose customers to other carriers. Even though the Nexus is a phone that's outside the carrier's control, they are trying to encourage Android sales, especially with the LTE plan money in line which Apple said "screw it."

The average user does not buy phones based solely on specs, so this spec war that Google is creating is going to go nowhere. Shoving little used hardware for things like LTE and NFC into a phone could have been replaced by better hardware and software integration. The iPhone 3GS can run iOS 5. What 2+ year old Android phone will be able to run ICS? The iPhone 4S will be able to run iOS 7 in two years. What Android phones produced now will be able to run the latest Android OS in two years? How about, it is unknown. At least with Apple the user knows that they will at get at least 2 years of software support for their iDevice they buy today.

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Just shows how embarrassed iPhone 4 owners have become carrying so outdated phones (small RAM, single core underperforming CPU etc.) They had to rush to order iPhone 4S even though this one still lags behind the best Android phones and will look really outdated once Samsung Nexus Prime is released (in a few weeks).

Sounds like someone needs their binky and maybe a nap.
 
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Very good points, let's also remember that there are a gazillion people out there that do not own smartphones. The 4S could be the 1st smart phone for a lot of people.

Yep, I am one of those people.

I have been using MacBook Air for almost a year but am still using a dumb-phone. :eek:
 
Just shows how embarrassed iPhone 4 owners have become carrying so outdated phones (small RAM, single core underperforming CPU etc.) They had to rush to order iPhone 4S even though this one still lags behind the best Android phones and will look really outdated once Samsung Nexus Prime is released (in a few weeks).

You still don't get it. It's the sales in the end that matter. The Nexus Prime, Optimus Prime or whatever will not have 1mil in pre-orders. There will be nothing "prime" in the amount of units sold. Only geeks care about specs and use it as a battle cry. Unfortunately that's all the android folks do, talk specs and battle cries. There is no single android handset that sells better than iphone. Live with it.
 
...hence why i said tends to help. Of course there are other factors. Don't care about Android, i never mentioned Android (or any other platform) in any of my posts

Apple fans can be really funny at times...getting all defensive for absolutely nothing.

Not fan, i'm an addict. Next time no insults.
 
Who said anything about it being a gauge for success. I only said I'd be interested in what that number was. I wasn't looking to prove or disprove.

As I stated - there's no argument that the iPhone 4s is selling well nor is it at all surprising.

I said it would be a selective barometer of success, since the constraint of existing contracts for the vast majority of iPhone4 users makes it a meaningless number, regardless of your curiosity.

The only reason that number would be of interest is to discern whether iPhone4 users consider the iPhone4S a worthwhile upgrade. If that's what piques your curiosity, why not start a poll - at least you'd have some numbers!
 
Sorry if someone else posted this; I didn't wade through the entire thread.

However it is thought that the 4S will only sell due to brand loyalty, as it displayed no drastic changes, and just a few new features. (Wikipedia)

Hahahahaha. Wikipedia trolls are hilarious.
 
My sister is getting one hand me down iPhone!

Wow, people out in the world are getting a lot of hand me down older gen iPhones right now!

I have had every iPhone since 2007, so every time a new one comes out, a family member gets my old one. And those who've had a feel of an iPhone upgrade to the latest as well.

:D
 
Just shows how embarrassed iPhone 4 owners have become carrying so outdated phones (small RAM, single core underperforming CPU etc.) They had to rush to order iPhone 4S even though this one still lags behind the best Android phones and will look really outdated once Samsung Nexus Prime is released (in a few weeks).

If anyone besides tech geeks gave a damn about tech specs, iPhones would only sell for the first week of availability, and every single Android phone would sell out on day one and there would be a new "top-selling" phone every week (because there's a new Android model just about every week and each one seems to just barely top the last one).

The fact is, Apple's "magic" comes from having great specs, but also integrating that powerful hardware with amazing software, ease of use, and smooth, seemless integration into the entire ecosystem. Not needing to worry about viruses coming from the App Store helps too.

Most people couldn't care less about "rooting" their phones, and most don't want to have to deal with file systems and crap like that. They want powerful hardware, lots of apps, and something they can use without needing a freaking college class to learn.
 
Two points about last years' 600k iPhone 4 sales

[...] That number tops the previous record for Apple held by the iPhone 4 which sold 600,000 units in pre-order on the first day. [...]

1. That's a huge number considering how hard it was to actually get through to the AT&T or Apple servers. Took me 16 hours and 50 to 60 tries.

2. Last year AT&T was the only carrier supporting iPhone in the US.

In some alternate universe with bigger and better servers at Apple and AT&T, 1 million iPhone 4s were sold in 2010. Still, 600k was a great number considering the limitations.
 
Just shows how embarrassed iPhone 4 owners have become carrying so outdated phones (small RAM, single core underperforming CPU etc.) They had to rush to order iPhone 4S even though this one still lags behind the best Android phones and will look really outdated once Samsung Nexus Prime is released (in a few weeks).


With each successive post, you outdo yourself. Why are you so obsessed with bashing iPhone owners? What are you trying to compensate for?
 
The average user does not buy phones based solely on specs, so this spec war that Google is creating is going to go nowhere.
True but this is merely an example Google is setting. Without specs Android will have little to sell itself over iPhone. So Google is telling other Android manufacturers this is how the new Android phones should be marketed. Also don't forget the halo effect.

What Android phones produced now will be able to run the latest Android OS in two years? How about, it is unknown.

Absolutely I agree and this is where iPhone is so much ahead of everything else. Nexus phones though usually do get updated pretty well. But I hate using vanilla Android. iPhone has the polish, aesthetics, stability and updates all in the same. Android lacks much of that.

With each successive post, you outdo yourself. Why are you so obsessed with bashing iPhone owners? What are you trying to compensate for?

Macrumors is just odd that way. We have a lot of users who claim they come here to discuss and inject rationality to the Apple fans, but usually end up sounding like trolls. What are they doing here if they really hate Apple and Apple users that much?

It always reminds me of this quote from Jay&Slient Bob Strike Back

This is a site populated by militant movie buffs: sad, pathetic little bastards living in their parents' basement downloading scripts and what they think is inside information about movies and actors they claim to despise yet can't stop discussing.
 
That is an unbelievable amount of pre-orders. It just goes to show that the newly released iPhone can't have been as much a disappointment to consumers as it was made out to be by some.
 
You still don't get it. It's the sales in the end that matter. The Nexus Prime, Optimus Prime or whatever will not have 1mil in pre-orders. There will be nothing "prime" in the amount of units sold. Only geeks care about specs and use it as a battle cry. Unfortunately that's all the android folks do, talk specs and battle cries. There is no single android handset that sells better than iphone. Live with it.

I think it's you who still don't get it. Sales matter to Apple not me and not you. Are you Apple?
 
You still don't get it. It's the sales in the end that matter. The Nexus Prime, Optimus Prime or whatever will not have 1mil in pre-orders. There will be nothing "prime" in the amount of units sold. Only geeks care about specs and use it as a battle cry. Unfortunately that's all the android folks do, talk specs and battle cries. There is no single android handset that sells better than iphone. Live with it.

Tell that to the people in this thread :) https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=13535382 Because a lot of them sure seem upset that it only has 512mb of memory..

Care to explain that?
 
That's where most of them end up.

Here's whats filling up Mt. Doom now: Android Mount Doom land fill

After seeing this ridiculous amount of android phones, I still think its a great testament to Apple that they have 28% marketshare haha...

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Sorry if someone else posted this; I didn't wade through the entire thread.



Hahahahaha. Wikipedia trolls are hilarious.

oh man, android users are editing wikipedia articles about iphone now? Geez, whoever did that needs to get a freakin life...
 
Sorry if someone else posted this; I didn't wade through the entire thread.



Hahahahaha. Wikipedia trolls are hilarious.

That's just great. The claim isn't even sourced. It's just plain opinion and yet it's allowed to sit there.

And the page is semi-protected, so I guess it can't be changed.
 
With each successive post, you outdo yourself. Why are you so obsessed with bashing iPhone owners? What are you trying to compensate for?

he probably needs to compensate for a very small -- well, you know
 
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