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Some people also think (or claim to think) that Apple customers only buy Apple products as a fashion statement and to look cool. Since the only phones that Apple sells are the iPhone 4 which is a year old and therefore not a fashion statement, and the iPhone 4S which looks the same as a phone that is a year old and therefore not a fashion statement, and the iPhone 3GS which is even older and quite definitely not a fashion statement, these people must think that Apple isn't going to sell any phones at all, except to those whose friends are blind.

And of course to those who buy the iPhone for its qualities, not out of some blind idiotic sense of fashion.

Honestly, I am proud to display an Apple logo on any product. Not because I am a slave to fashion, but because for YEARS it meant that I thought for myself! When I was the ONLY person at the coffee shop with a Mac, I knew that I had made the decision based upon my needs and preferences.

If Apple were really about fashion, then where are all the Apple clothing and such? I see relatively few Apple branded non-electronic items. Just a great brand on some outstanding products that help people to get what they want done.
 
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, sir. Remember, you were the one who corrected my grammar, rather then try to continue the discussion. Now you're upset because you're being called out on it?

Have a nice day as well! :)

Please don't pretend for second to know or assert how I might be feeling. You have no idea. I'm not upset. I find this (and you now) quite silly. I'm not upset you called me out - and about 2 or 3 posts ago I admitted I was wrong - yet here you are spouting cliches LOL. But I won't post again on THIS particular subject (your continued beating a dead horse) so that you can have the last word since you want it so bad :)
 
One million preorders, but that's across the entire world. Let's say half of them were USA, so that leaves 500,000.

On the other hand I read somewhere that Android has like 50% of the US market now, so that's 300 million people x (1/2) = 150 million.

That makes Android 300x more popular than the iPhone 4S. (150 million / 500k = 300).

Your math is off, but let's just assume you're right for the sake of argument.

Of those 150 million US Android users, how many bought their Android phone because they couldn't afford an iPhone/are with a carrier that didn't offer the iPhone/bought the cheapest smartphone they could find? You can't count any of those as "Android is more popular" people, since they didn't do it out of loyalty or love for Android.

Also, just for the sake of arguement, let's say there are 150 different Android models out there (there are, in fact, far more than that, but let's keep the math easy). That would mean each Android model sold 1 million handsets over its entire lifespan. And iPhone 4S sold 1 million in one day. So which is truly the most popular?
 
I'm three of those orders!

Apple clearly knows what kind of momentum and longevity their products have.
 
Please don't pretend for second to know or assert how I might be feeling. You have no idea. I'm not upset. I find this (and you now) quite silly. I'm not upset you called me out - and about 2 or 3 posts ago I admitted I was wrong - yet here you are spouting cliches LOL. But I won't post again on THIS particular subject (your continued beating a dead horse) so that you can have the last word since you want it so bad :)

See, now it all ends bad. Let's all agree to disagree. Then kiss and make up.

Well, you guys can kiss. I'll get my camera.
 
This is why stock investors annoy me so much. One announcement about the 4s 'disappointment', and the stock drops 5%. Fast forward a couple of weeks and not only is the 4s setting records, now those same idiots come back and boost the stock $14 a share. Manipulation at its finest.
 
Well done again Apple! I will buy one, i use my iPhone for everything from work to fun, i love iPhone4GS and i will buy it probably next month! 1 million in 24hours is pretty impressive.
 
Please don't pretend for second to know or assert how I might be feeling. You have no idea. I'm not upset. I find this (and you now) quite silly. I'm not upset you called me out - and about 2 or 3 posts ago I admitted I was wrong - yet here you are spouting cliches LOL. But I won't post again on THIS particular subject (your continued beating a dead horse) so that you can have the last word since you want it so bad :)

Like I said, you called me out on my grammar, you were wrong, now take your lumps haha. Yes I want the last word, so do not respond.
 
Because the Nexus Prime DESTROYSSS!! the iPhone in specs!!

Good phone but with a ****** OS that can do nothing. Doesn't matter how good the specs are. Without a good OS to utilise all those good specs you're screwed.
 
Over a million pre-orders, and I'm proud to be one of a million(+). Also, this will be my very first iPhone, so it'll be great to finally join the party.

On a related note, I've read in MR and elsewhere that Apple has apparently sold out of their pre-order stock. When I check out Sprint's website though, it still has links for pre-ordering the 32 and 64 GB models (it shows the 16 GB model as sold out, and has for several days now).

Does this mean that some folks out there still have a shot at making a pre-order today for shipment Fridayish, or do you think Sprint is just slow to update their website?
 
Verizon was already included. Actually, Verizon iPhone users were less likely to upgrade since iPhone debuted there less than 9 months ago. So, imagine if Verizon users (the US's biggest carrier) were eligible for upgrades - sales would have been much higher.

Check your dates. There was NO VERIZON iPhone 4 at Launch date. Verizon iPhone did not come out until later. You even state this in YOUR OWN post. What is being referred to above is that on DAY ONE of the iPhone 4, there was only AT&T.
 
I don't believe it...

We didn't expect you to.

Ok this is a complete surprise to me. Just shows how much Apple customers love their products. There is no loyalty of this magnitude on the Android platform.

Loyalty comes from creating an excellent experience.

I think many people confuse some of the opinions of the 4s. I think many people had no doubt whatsoever that the phone would sell well. First of all - 50 percent of iPhone owners own a 3GS or earlier model. Add to that - Sprint is now a carrier in the US.

The issue was never whether or not it was going to sell - most would agree it would and sell well. The "issue" many people had was that the new phone just wasn't all that exciting - or as exciting as it could be based on what was/is possible.

These things aren't necc. related at all. And sure - someone will chime in that clearly monumental sales must mean people are "excited." And I would argue that excitement over owning/getting a new phone is not the same as excitement over the specs. At least for those with the iPhone 4.

What WILL be curious - is how many people upgraded (staying with the same carrier) from iPhone 4 to 4s at launch.

I really want to know where those things were said
Most have been said here and every site like this.
Ah, can you show me example on those siotes saying that iPhone 4S sales will be a flop, that Nexus Prime will sell more, that Apple stock will plummet?

look at any of them. Someone in this thread (other than the sarcastic statement your responding to) said the nexus prime will sell more than this easy..
 
Because the Nexus Prime DESTROYSSS!! the iPhone in specs!!

Except for three: Battery life, a mature OS & app store easy enough for the most technophobic to feel comfortable using. It's not about the biggest, baddest, or most open. Sometimes thouse things can be hindrances. Android fans don't always "get" that reality.
 
Good phone but with a ****** OS that can do nothing. Doesn't matter how good the specs are. Without a good OS to utilise all those good specs you're screwed.

Definitely a good phone, and heck I would even say Android is a good (not great) OS. However, it's no iPhone, and Android is no iOS. Android strategy is simple: flood the market, and lead in specs. It's a good strategy because it works, however the phones fall short unless lumped together.

Android users love to say that "consumers love choice" but the fact is consumers are choosing iPhone over every other individual android phone (and by a landslide). I've said it before, and I'll say it again...the only metric to "success" that android has is marketshare.
 
According to Ina Fried: "Initial reaction to the iPhone 4s was somewhat muted, given its similarity to the iPhone 4"

Just goes to show you what the tech bloggers know.

If Apple redesigns the phone then we hear how Apple cares too much about "form over function". If Apple leaves the form factor the same and beefs the phone up internally, then we here that the iPhone 4S had too much "similarity to the iPhone 4". The expectations on Apple are extremely lofty, but Apple seems to ignore all that and just do what they do.

I for one believed they would have come out with this phone and only this phone, but I thought they would have called it the "iPhone 5" (I thought the "S" marketing was a product of the "3G" messing with the numbering system). I also thought the "redesigned phone" was the new iPod Touch / iPad Nano (apparently I was wrong on those counts).

Either way, I got my preorder in for 2 x 64GB iPhone 4S in Black for my wife and I as upgrades to our 3GS phones. We are on the "S" upgrade cycle every ~2 years. The "redesign" never mattered to me since I loved the iPhone 4 form-factor. The only things I was hoping for that are missing from iPhone 4S are not deal breakers to me...

LTE Support
- Single LTE/CDMA/GSM chip is not yet available from QualComm and therefore the power draw would increase and the space for a battery would have decreased.

- LTE networks (even Verizon's) are not really there yet. While some folks live in a place of solid LTE coverage, most folks have no coverage or watch the LTE drop out all the time and get replaced by CDMA (switching causes more battery draw).

- Given I am on AT&T and I will get to use HSPA+ @ 14.4Mbps, I'm not too concerned since I don't think AT&T's LTE network will really exist until late 2012 or mid 2013. But I was secretly hoping Apple would find some way to pull off LTE while maintaining battery life (no miracles though).

NFC Support
- NFC Support seems way cool, but as a payment solution I don't see enough places I can use it yet.

- Would have been cool to have NFC Support to see how third-party apps might have exploited it.

1GB RAM????
- No official word yet on the amount of RAM, just a hint from CHAIR that it only has 512MB.

- The Android phones that have 768MB or 1GB of RAM do not appear to out-perform the iPhone 4, which is over 16 months old. I don't believe this is a hardware problem or a software problem, but maybe an integration problem. I've heard lots of theories about failing to use graphics acceleration for the UI as well as other things, but either way the iPhone 4 feels snappier or just as snappy as these other phones that have better specs. The iPhone 4S should hold its own against the competition for the next 12 months.

- I am still hoping it has 1GB of RAM, but limit an individual app to at most 512MB to prevent fragmentation in the app store (i.e.: the 3GS not being able to run all the new apps). My biggest frustration is when I "fast-app-switch" and the app has to reload because I am out of RAM. That's why I'd like no single app to take all the memory, but only be allowed at most half while maintaining a larger overall pool of RAM for all apps.
 
prime will fail

:apple:

The Prime is going to be another in the long list of "iPhone killers" that the Android fans talk up for about a week until the next one comes out. When the Prime has subpar sales numbers, and a subpar ad campaign, Android fans will say "consumers love choice" blah blah blah. It's been happening for two years now, and it's not going to stop anytime soon.
 
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