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More important question is if a charger will be included. You think I'm trying to be clever but This is apple we're talking about. I honestly don't put it past them to charge extra for some sort of charging cable. their excuse might be that charging stations are already common enough that you can charge throughout the day and not need to charge at home.

It depends on if it takes a proprietary charger or not. If it uses existing chargers, then there are already quite a few people that have home chargers and it doesn't make sense to include them for everyone. Maybe an option for a free one included, but not included by default.
 
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I remember when Steve Jobs wanted to to be insanely great at a few products. I feel like Apple is trying to be a Swiss Army knife at technology. That doesn’t work out well. Ask Microsoft.
You mean the second most valuable company with a $1.6T market cap? Didn’t work out for Microsoft at all. 😂
 
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With the way Apple’s been pricing things lately, this will be a 200k car...... charger sold separately for 1k
 
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  • Battery fused to the chassis, requires replacement of all parts except for tires.
  • Tires sold separately. Weird non-standard size that only Apple makes. Cannot buy just one. $999 for a set of 3. Winter tires coming "soon".
  • Only authorized Apple service can replace tires or warranty void. Each tire has a chip and pump system that deflates the tire if it detects unauthorized replacement.
  • Self driving powered by Apple Maps and Siri.
  • Need to turn the car up side down to plug in lightning cable to charge.
  • Charging cable sold separately, for the environment. Not compatible with pre-existing standards. Adapter sold separately. Doesn't work.
  • Steering wheel keeps breaking, after many years and many lawsuits Apple is forced to replace them. With identical ones that keep breaking. Apple claims a small number of users may have experienced some tiny problems with the steering wheel but it is now fixed.
  • The entire car is made out of glass.
  • It costs nine billion dollars.
 
If Apple make an EV, I really hope they stick to charging standards, even though Tesla have pushed EVs more than anyone, they are still a massive thorn in the side of literally every other EV owner because they don't stick to the charging standards - they're making it overly complicated for new owners. "Yes, you can charge at any rapid cha.. Oh not those."

We have CCS now, please use it, Apple. We don't need Tesla chargers, Apple Chargers AND EVERYONE ELSE.

This is coming from an owner of an EV without CCS, too. I see the benefit of a universal standard, please stick with it!
 
This reminds me of Apple toying with idea of making television but never saw the light of day.

Good for consumers that another tech company is making EV aside from Tesla. Tesla’s build quality is subpar even to this day.

An Apple TV set was a Jobs idea. Fortunately that never saw the light of day now that TVs are so commoditized and with decent tech. Apple would have lost a bunch going into that market.
 
If Apple make an EV, I really hope they stick to charging standards, even though Tesla have pushed EVs more than anyone, they are still a massive thorn in the side of literally every other EV owner because they don't stick to the charging standards - they're making it overly complicated for new owners. "Yes, you can charge at any rapid cha.. Oh not those."

We have CCS now, please use it, Apple. We don't need Tesla chargers, Apple Chargers AND EVERYONE ELSE.
I don’t think Apple is going to go to the trouble of developing its own charging infrastructure... unless they think they can do it better than everyone else.

An Apple Car would likely end up being the single largest investment that Apple has made in its entire history.
 
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Apple TV was a Jobs idea. Fortunately that never saw the light of day now that TVs are so commoditized and with decent tech. Apple would have lost a bunch going into that market.
I still don’t think it’s a terrible idea. Apple produces the best displays in the industry. Even high-end TV’s have an embarrassing calibration out of the box.
 
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A car is much bigger animal to tame and I doubt Apple has what it takes as they have zero experience with aerodynamics, breaking systems, driving comfort, engines etc. This beast is just another league and if Apple wants to take a bite (and I feel they should) then it will take them years to perfect it to the level that people will abandon Tesla for them.
Apple most defo have experience with breaking systems, usually happens every couple of iOS/MacOS update!
Braking systems OTOH......😜🤣
 
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Apple is definitely working on tech related to cars. But will they ever actually put out a car? That's a whole 'nother question.

Apple works on tons of stuff in its labs that never see the light of day.
This is probably the best line of thinking, honestly. They want to make the whole widget — that’s how Apple works at a pretty fundamental level — so either they make a car or none of it sees the light of day. They’re not going to ship the autonomous driving software on its own.
 
I will be one of the first to order an Apple car. See one in an Apple Store, order online, built to spec in China mostly by robots, delivered to one’s door. Tesla will be remembered as the Blackberry of electric cars.
 
Even if all that is true, there is no way Apple can enter the market with a great product. They have zero experience with this and Tesla has been perfecting it for over 10 years. This is not like a building a phone.
So no, even if I would love to see Apple's take on a car design (which most cars are ugly af), then there is no way I would buy one. Maybe 5-10 years down the line when they get experienced enough and work out the bugs then I could maybe be persuaded but by then Tesla will be miles ahead.

Right now, the only sensible EV choice is Tesla. No one is even close to them.
And when Tesla's new battery tech is out that will be the same like iPhone vs Android.

But, curious to see the design. Copycats will start xeroxing and all consumers will get nicer looking cars. Its a disaster right now.
also car dealerships laws may get in apples way
 
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yesterday's article about an Apple car release in 2021 was definitely BS ... this one has more credibility...
I am also struggling with the idea of Apple building a car, an entire car, that's just so out of their league, but, rumors have been going around since 2014 so who knows. IF they do, and 2024 is the timeframe, we will know within the net 18 months, they will not be able to keep it a secret for another 3 years ...
IF Apple is building their own car and plan to launch it in 2024 / 2025, then they need to have the prototype ready for testing by this time next year at the latest.
 
A car is much bigger animal to tame and I doubt Apple has what it takes as they have zero experience with aerodynamics, breaking systems, driving comfort, engines etc.
Then years ago Apple had zero experience designing their own custom SoC's. You know what they did? They acquired expertise and experience. They have been doing the same thing with respect to Project Titan for the last few years.
 
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The people who think Apple fanboys are bad have never met Tesla fanboys. On what planet is Tesla worth a $600B+ market cap?
Oh didn't you hear? All the other car manufacturers who sell millions more cars are going to drop dead of fright from the prospect of Tesla being crowned Hottest Stock Price Ever™ and disappear off the face of the planet overnight. It'll be just like the iPhone success story: tiny, niche manufacturer struggling against legacy OEMs, and DECADES before any profit is... whoops.
 
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When companies become hugely successful they often make silly mistakes, like trying to expand too far outside of their core area of expertise. This seems to be what Apple is doing now.

Electric vehicles do indeed share a lot in common with other electronic devices, but they also have a lot of huge differences that are not always immediately obvious. From my perspective, it looks like Tim Cook & co. simply followed the bandwagon of all of the other Silicon Valley tech companies participating in the self-driving car race.

Apple...you are genius at making excellent consumer electronics. Stick to that. Trying to become a car company is an idea that is already doomed to failure. Apple simply doesn't have the automotive manufacturing, sales, and service capabilities. A car is not just a bigger more expensive phone, there are a lot of legacy laws, safety laws and testing involved. My prediction: this is going to be one of the most catastrophic business mistakes in the history of tech and will end in utter, complete failure.
 

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I want to see an Apple Car if just to see what innovations they could bring to the car industry or new features that become killer features that we can't live without after we try it.
"killer features"! Yep, with the track record of software bugs and quality control at Apple in recent years, I think you may have nailed it. The idea of an Apple car terrifies me.
 
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Oh didn't you hear? All the other car manufacturers who sell millions more cars are going to drop dead of fright from the prospect of Tesla being crowned Hottest Stock Price Ever™ and disappear off the face of the planet overnight. It'll be just like the iPhone success story: tiny, niche manufacturer struggling against legacy OEMs, and DECADES before any profit is... whoops.
Sooo you don’t like Tesla.
 
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they couldn't make AirPower but they sure could make a brand new revolutionary battery...?


story is pure BS given the timing of Tesla being inserted into S&P500. sounds like a short seller trying to save itself
Oh really. You do realize they have mad significant changes to battery systems for phones for over a decade now. The air power was not a battery system but a charging mechanism that was extremely ambitious and no one else has been able to make it work either. There are hundreds of products that never make the light of day because of Apple internal requirements, but they almost never announce them so early in the process. In fact you can count on one hand the number of times they mentioned a product before it was ready to ship. In most of those it was because they were either going to need regulatory clearances or more
developers to jump in early.
 
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