Apple CEO Tim Cook Calls For Unity in Memo to Staff Following Trump Victory

[nt5672]

I don't know what republicans and democrats did during the race riots, as I wasn't born yet back then, or maybe I was just a baby. And yes, Lincoln was a republican, but what matters is what the republicans of today are doing,

And what I know is Regan advocated trickle down economics, which didn't work, and has increased the economical divide between the very rich and middle class. And from what I understand Trump advocates the same thing -- tax cuts for the rich.

Trickle down is not the problem. The problem is that in 8 years of free giveaways and no jobs, things have not gotten better. There are no societies in the world where the rich don't control what is going on. But there are a few where the middle class dose really well and the middle class did really well under Regan and his policies. The problem is the middle class is being destroyed by taxes, ObamaCare (which the supreme court ruled was the largest tax ever imposed), and the relentless protection of the too big to fail banks and their risky protected investment losses that we pay for as taxpayers.

The problem you speak to is a political elite problem, not a problem of the rich and the money they have that you don't. The problem is both democrat and republican controlled and it will continue until we as voters look at reality instead of the major media sound bites.
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Holy crap you are far gone. Trump has been swimming in the same waters as Clinton for years. Has he held public office? No. But make no mistake he's with them. I say this as a lifetime Newyorker who has watched Trump since 1984. The charade you all have been seeing for the past 4 years is an act. And yes Trump has had bigoted and has been a sexual predator as most other powerful people in his position. Is he a racist? No.

What none of you see is he was smart enough to play on the ignorance and fears of older white working class:

Losing their grip on their entitled status.

He positions himself as the outsider. That is the biggest lie of all. Look who he has surrounded himself with so far: Giuliani and Christie... 2 of the best at what dirty Washington politics has done to the country. So yeah... Trump is "different"

Imma just sit back and watch while you all start crying because you elected a counterfeit.

In spite of what the media have convinced you of, Trump's election had nothing to do with fear and everything to do with knowledge of Ms. Clinton and her policies.

All I know is that he did not have to become President to become rich like both the Clinton's and Obama's. The only legacy he has left to leave is what will be written in the history books. We'll have to see if he steps up or steps out.

 

[PizzaBoxStyle]

There's more oil in other places then California so I doubt anyone would be interested.
There is plenty of water. You non coastal folk may have never experienced this thing called the ocean. Desalination is how many coastal countries get their water. That's some of that "science stuff" that they may not teach in the country's center states
As far as fruits and nuts, I think if it was cheaper to produce them somewhere else then they should. Farmers have unnaturally used up the ground water there given that it is 70 degrees and sunny year round allowing for continuous growing seasons.

I think many in California would love to not be apart of your KKK rallies and bigotry and if that means a separate country then so be it.

The center if the country knows about desalination. It also knows that it's an energy intensive and dirty process, and without a nuclear power source, would pollute surrounding areas like nothing else.

As a matter of fact, the center of the country also knows that the new desal plant under construction near San Diego cost about $1b to build, and will supply enough water for about 300,000 people. Given that the population of, say, Los Angeles metro is about 13 million, how many desalination plants and billion of dollars is that?

Do they still teach math on the west coast, or do you all just surf and listen to The Beach Boys on repeat all day?

As for the KKK remark, I've never had any involvement with them, as would be the case for most of the population in this country. But if you think I have, or that there is a large KKK influence in most of the US states, well you made the claim so the onus on you is to provide some evidence here.

Also I haven't even said anything regarding anyone's protected class/characteristics, I'm just trying to imagine what a separated California might look/be like. It's a fun thought experiment given how much Californians seem to think their **** don't stink.

 

[dilbert99]

Tim for President!

Oh god please no
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Is it?

What are the reasons for them manufacturing overseas?

Ar you saying it would be just as easy for them to manufacture the iPhone in the US as it is to manufacture in China?

Cost. I'd imagine they could make it in the US, I'm making the assumption that they can make expensive cars in Germany so why couldn't they make expensive phones in the US. I'd also imagine they would have to have highly robotic plants to keeps costs low. But in a world where shareholder is king, it probably won't happen.
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Being PRSI I will post here what was deleted from another thread but was on-topic. The policies Trump (the Republicans generally) proposes to do is vastly in favour of Apple. Repatriating the overseas funds, lowering the business tax rate, full expensing, etc.

It is also vastly in favour of the employees of Apple with proposed changes to health care plans that allow reduced cost and increased access, less federal involvement.

The proposals to fiscal policy changes will improve economic activity and employment, especially for minorities and impacted groups. Thus Apple will sell more devices than ever as well.

It is hard to predict just how powerful the changes to education will be because it is such a central issue to our society, but any improvement to education will be most welcome.

cite:
https://www.gop.gov
https://www.greatagain.gov

Why does Trump want to repeal Obamacare? (I'm not from the US so know very little about the US health care system.
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Trump doesn't pay all of his taxes either.

I thought he didn't pay any taxes for the last 18 years or something?

 

[Aluminum213]

Trump didn't pay his taxes because he didn't have to, anyone in their right mind would have done the same thing he did if he had the same loophole offered to them

 

[Night Spring]

I think people are saying Democrats whine based on the sheer number of protests, riots, and Safe Spaces™ they're creating right now. Nothing like this happened with Obama. Sure, I've been hearing friends and family members moaning about Obama for 8 years, but they've kept on with their daily lives.

The difference is Obama never said anything that would suggest he might disregard the constitution. In fact, he is a constitutional scholar, so he knows the constitution better than most. Trump was heard talking about Article 12 of the constitution when the constitution only has 9 articles. He has suggested that he wants to make it easier to sue the press for libel (weakens first amendment freedom of speech clause). He proposed banning Muslims from entering US (contradicts first amendment protection of freedom of religion) and walked it back only when he encountered backlash. He asked why we shouldn't use nuclear weapons first, and seemed to have no understanding of the concept of mutually assured destruction. Then there are all the hateful and divisional things he said during the campaign, all things which I don't remember any major party candidate saying, ever.

People are not just opposed to Trump because they disagree with his policies. They are afraid he might dismantle the constitution. That he might start a nuclear war. That his policy of banning Muslims might expand to deporting those who are already here. That he might try to gag his critics. Personally, I think his talk of jailing Hillary was just talk, but what if he does actually try to put her in jail? And he has spoken admiringly about Putin and other authoritarian leaders. People are afraid he might try to be an authoritarian, proto-dictator himself.

In past elections, the losing side didn't protest, because despite whatever policy disagreements, nobody thought that the winner would disregard the constitution, or the human rights safeguards that the constitution protects. With Trump, people fear that he might do just that. That is why they are protesting.

 

[Thunderhawks]

Peaceful protest is an important part of the democratic process. It's not necessarily the same as throwing temper tantrums. In this instance, it lets Trump and his supporters know that they have work to do to win over the people he alienated through his words and actions during the election, and during his business dealings.

Agree about "peaceful" demonstrations, but the wounds of non acceptance are so deep and when did we ever have demonstrations about a presidential election? Maybe Florida with the hanging Chads? Don't remember.

I did not mention the celebrities who would leave the country (they won't), instead of accepting democracy.

All in all : This is the result. Live with it and see what happens. Change what needs changing in 4 years, when there is a true record of what he was able to accomplish.

 

[Kaibelf]

I just feel sort of sad knowing that the CEO of one of the largest companies in the world felt the need to write such an email in the first place. Have we really become so soft that somebody needs to give us instructions on how to deal with the setbacks and disappointments life seems to hand out to all?

No, but we've become so nationalist and hostile that apparently some people feel it's appropriate to disparage others at their jobs. Just like the Grubhub situation. If anyone in my company wants to dance with glee about how all those Mexicans in the US have to leave with no regard for coworkers who may be saying goodbye to their family members, I don't want to sign their checks anymore. They can get out. I'd rather not have such vile, toxic people poisoning my well.

 

[Night Spring]

Agree about "peaceful" demonstrations, but the wounds of non acceptance are so deep and when did we ever have demonstrations about a presidential election? Maybe Florida with the hanging Chads? Don't remember.

I did not mention the celebrities who would leave the country (they won't), instead of accepting democracy.

All in all : This is the result. Live with it and see what happens. Change what needs changing in 4 years, when there is a true record of what he was able to accomplish.

I just posted why the reaction to Trump is different than for any other previously elected president. I'm half afraid that if Trump is defeated four years from now, he won't peacefully step down. And Trump himself is responsible for this impression, because he kept saying the election is rigged, and he said he would accept the results only if he wins. Until now, whoever the President was, I never doubted that in 4 years there would be another election. Trump makes me feel that he wouldn't hold another election if he could get away with that.

EDIT: So he's doing it again. This article says what I think:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...s-media-on-twitter-for-inciting-protests.html
"There can be no unifying a country when you dismiss its citizens’ protests as a media conspiracy executed by crisis actors."

 

[Thunderhawks]

The fact that the are here illegally means they are breaking the law. What is the point of a law if it is not enforced. Then add on that some of them are also breaking other laws, do you think we should just turn a blind eye to it? Maybe give them food stamps and free medical?

Yes, many are here illegally and will stay here, Trump or not, because (oh, the blasphemy) they are needed!
Over the last umpteens years the US government, republican or democratic could not figure out a way to address this problem. It was just easier to turn a blind eye.

Yes, they are getting food stamps and free medical.(When they can't pay)
They do not take away American jobs. They do the jobs at minimum wage Americans will not do or are not enough of in certain areas of the country.
They will take over this country gradually (not in my life time, but eventually), because they make child after child which they manage to get to be legal citizens. Then they wait 21 years until they can be brought in legally by the child.
Nobody chases them and time is on their side. They either wait for an amnesty (Not a solution) or just stay.

Where I live, I sometimes drive through their neighborhoods and on many corners there are 30 or more kids waiting for the school bus, not one gringo amongst them.

As for criminals, yes throw them out, but be consistant. Throw out the American and any nation criminals as well.

 

[Night Spring]

They do the jobs at minimum wage Americans will not do or are not enough of in certain areas of the country.

See, this is what I don't get. If there are jobs in one area of the country, and people who don't have jobs in another area of the country, why isn't there any programs or something to encourage people to move? If there is any such programs, I've never heard of them.

The immigrants have the right idea. They are just illegal because it happens that they have to cross national borders to get to where the jobs are. But if there are jobs to be had, then maybe Americans should be moving to get them, too.

 

[amegicfox]

this guy is a condescendent, self serving and GREEDY

using his position of power at Apple for his own political agenda. disgusting

telling charlie rose how he has billions overseas in order not to pay taxes in the us

he exploit cheap labor to sell expensive products

spending time fundraising for his own agenda when apple sell 4 years old computers at crazy prices and then loosing too

disgusting

 

[Precision Gem]

Maybe Tim Cook could round up 300,000 illegals to build iPhones in California. Tim could house them and feed them and Apple could give them free medical.

 

[SactoGuy18]

Well, at least Cook admitted Hillary Clinton lost and it's time to move on. But that CEO of GrubHub....

 

[johngordon]

Cost. I'd imagine they could make it in the US, I'm making the assumption that they can make expensive cars in Germany so why couldn't they make expensive phones in the US. I'd also imagine they would have to have highly robotic plants to keeps costs low. But in a world where shareholder is king, it probably won't happen.

See, I don't think it is simply down to cost.

Isn't it largely down to a few things, not least:

- proximity to markets and component supplies
- proximity to appropriate labour

I do not believe that Apple, or other electronics companies. could simply relocate manufacturing to the US, and the only difference in would be it being more costly to do so.

That strikes me as a simplistic and naive view.

 

[hudson1]

We'

Yup and it's going to rise up to a 1-1.5m gap once all the vote is counted (most from cali, Washington, Oregon)

We're three days out and the total popular vote difference is under 400k. It's not going to change much at this point.

 

[Rocketman]

Why does Trump want to repeal Obamacare? (I'm not from the US so know very little about the US health care system.

The Affordable Care Act is failing to achieve its stated goals on a variety of fronts. Insurers who operate in the "state exchanges" are losing money on a grand scale and withdrawing from the market. That shifts people to state Medicare programs increasing budget pressures.

Doctors in the Medicare system are not being reimbursed for their billed expenses in full and are having invoices discounted with no power to respond, so simply quit offering those services at all. It is a major trend. They have major college education loan payments to pay.

The way non-medicare ACA plans work, like Healthnet (a company) for example, the state subsidizes low income citizens and pays the premium for them in the form of a tax credit. My bill for example because I earn more than the amount that qualifies for Medicare, but less than the amount that fails to get a subsidy, is about $700 a month, of which I pay $57. Before ACA my health insurance was $149/mo and I paid it all.

So it is a HUGE financial burden on my state (CA). The reason the premiums are so much higher, almost 5x, is it covers services I do not and cannot use. If I get pregnant or need birth control, I am covered for example. So the insurance is badly mandated by the law.

The pool of premium payers suffers from "adverse selection". Healthy people do not subscribe and sick people can get in even AFTER they learn they have an illness. The joke is nobody gets ACA till "**it hits the fan".

There's a brief summary.

Trump by comparison has stated he wants to expand the use of health savings accounts (tax free) which have proven to work great in a couple of states. He wants to allow health insurance companies (money pools) to operate across state lines. Right now every state is like a different country. He wants to let insurance companies design plans like they used to be allowed to and let folks shop for the features, benefits and prices they want. The state tax credit can still be offered, but it would be far less money at all income levels.

Obamacare was a total disaster installed by a D House, D Senate, D President with effectively zero R support. That is notable in and of itself.

Hope that helps.

 

[hudson1]

Uh the exact opposite would happen. The entire campaign would have to change. Candidate right now focus on swing states and ignore most of the country because of electorate votes.

The electoral college is antiquated. We no longer need it.

Our Founding Fathers quite carefully pondered this question and arrived at the Electoral College system for some very good reasons. They wanted a system that insured national campaigning and they wanted a system that would be more immune to voter fraud (you can't adequately predict where a stolen vote will matter). Most important, they saw first hand what the "tyranny of the majority" can do and they hoped to create a layer of abstraction from it.
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Tim is just disappointed that America elected it's first Molester-in-Chief.

Can't blame him.

Make that the second one.

 

[CrazyNurse]

Silicone Valley giants are so diverse...nice try.

 

[Rocketman]

Our Founding Fathers quite carefully pondered this question and arrived at the Electoral College system for some very good reasons. They wanted a system that insured national campaigning and they wanted a system that would be more immune to voter fraud (you can't adequately predict where a stolen vote will matter). Most important, they saw first hand what the "tyranny of the majority" can do and they hoped to create a layer of abstraction from it.

Here is how there rest of the country is protected from the coasts and dense population centers:

 

[kobalap]

Yeah no, he won't. There are plenty of Republicans who will not go for that list. Which list, as someone else wondered, makes me wonder if it was a joke. Seriously, that list made me laugh out loud after a moment of appalled shock. Then I realized that as a goal it might ring true for the farthest right of the rump caucus there in the House, but as a reality in the Senate? No way. Trump would not favor all those items. The Congress could not override his veto. Even I give the man some credit!

As far as turnout goes, I agree there, but you know voters, they are said to have a 14-week memory but lately it's more like six weeks, or maybe six days. So in another week no one will remember having voted for Trump, and no one who didn't vote will remember having signed up to be steamrolled. That's how we are in America, stalwart in our refusal to accept blame for anything. It's all "their" fault...

Seniors voted for Trump at an alarming rate. Further, seniors voted Republicans into congress. They voted in people whose vision is to reform entitlements therefore let the reforms begin.

I for one am tired of paying for entitlements for which I get zero benefit (social security and medicare). People need to do their part and prepare for their own retirement and not burden younger generations. If they did not do an adequate job saving for retirement, whose fault is that?

I am also tired of carrying the load for public education. If you are too lazy to earn enough money to send your kid to a school that you pay for, whose fault is it?

HUD is of no benefit to me.

The EPA is, at best, of questionable benefit.

The people were pretty clear on Nov 8. Particularly where it mattered - Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Florida. Let the politicians do the will of the people.

 

[2010mini]

Our Founding Fathers quite carefully pondered this question and arrived at the Electoral College system for some very good reasons. They wanted a system that insured national campaigning and they wanted a system that would be more immune to voter fraud (you can't adequately predict where a stolen vote will matter). Most important, they saw first hand what the "tyranny of the majority" can do and they hoped to create a layer of abstraction from it.
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Make that the second one.

It's a lot deeper than that. At the time this nation was still experimenting with democracy. There was no clear cut rules on how the executive would function. The only example of executive rule at the time was the Monarchy/Church model. At first they thought Congress should pick the President. But they wanted the executive to be independent but also checked by Congress.

The popular vote was liked by the founding fathers because they had examples of it with govenatorial elections. But because of slavery and 3/5ths rule, the south would always be a minority in a national popular election.

At the time everyone agreed Washington would be the 1st President. But the worry was after he left, the next election would be fielded by "favorite sons" of each province/town/state with no clear winner. It would be a mess. Now remember the founders were still experimenting when they came up with the electoral college. Because even though it is technically unconstitutional (goes against One person. One vote) because all votes are not equal. It was the best compromise they could come up with for the very young nation.

Today the electoral college is really antiquated. It is mostly used as a tool by the two party system to keep other parties from becoming dominant.

And with the access to technology such as verification via biometrics, do we really need electorates to keep voting secure?

 

[kobalap]

The fact that the are here illegally means they are breaking the law. What is the point of a law if it is not enforced. Then add on that some of them are also breaking other laws, do you think we should just turn a blind eye to it? Maybe give them food stamps and free medical?

I agree. Not only do we need to throw out every illegal alien, I think we need institute a religion test for every person applying for citizenship. Only Christians needs apply.

Also, we need to get started on the wall and fast. Estimates by independent contractors have come in at around $20 billion + another $5 or so billion for project management, administration and cost overruns. To maintain the wall for 10 years, the cost estimates are another $20 billion. So let's call it an even $40 billion for 10 years. Where to get the money? Easy, there is this pool of money that we all have been paying for but only a fraction of the population are benefitting from. They are called entitlements. We need to dismantle entitlements and put our money to good use.

Finally, if you work for HUD or the department of education or the EPA, the free ride is over. Time to get a real job.

 

[hudson1]

The center if the country knows about desalination. It also knows that it's an energy intensive and dirty process, and without a nuclear power source, would pollute surrounding areas like nothing else.

As a matter of fact, the center of the country also knows that the new desal plant under construction near San Diego cost about $1b to build, and will supply enough water for about 300,000 people. Given that the population of, say, Los Angeles metro is about 13 million, how many desalination plants and billion of dollars is that?

Do they still teach math on the west coast, or do you all just surf and listen to The Beach Boys on repeat all day?

As for the KKK remark, I've never had any involvement with them, as would be the case for most of the population in this country. But if you think I have, or that there is a large KKK influence in most of the US states, well you made the claim so the onus on you is to provide some evidence here.

Also I haven't even said anything regarding anyone's protected class/characteristics, I'm just trying to imagine what a separated California might look/be like. It's a fun thought experiment given how much Californians seem to think their **** don't stink.

Didn't Santa Barbara build a desalination plant and then shut it down because it was too costly to run?

 

[kobalap]

I think people are saying Democrats whine based on the sheer number of protests, riots, and Safe Spaces™ they're creating right now. Nothing like this happened with Obama. Sure, I've been hearing friends and family members moaning about Obama for 8 years, but they've kept on with their daily lives.

It's even worse here than usual, I think. People have been continuously crying, losing their ****, and spamming Facebook groups for the past 2 days. I don't know if they just don't have any homework or what. Protestors ran onto the freeway to try and block... all the Clinton supporters... and one immediately got mowed down by a Honda Element whose driver didn't react in time.

Well, I think you have selective memory.

I hate democrats as much as the next person but I think you are under estimating the disdain people across the country have for liberals. For 8 years, democrats have been championing things like equal rights for gays, healthcare for the poor, fair treatment for minorities, etc.

The people in the United States clearly oppose this progressive vision that democrats advocate. Americans want our country back. We want traditional values, not women in pant suits. We want Christian values evangelized, not suppressed. And we are tired of these so called scientists telling us that they know better.

Its time to bring this country back to what it should be.

 

[decafjava]

I agree. Not only do we need to throw out every illegal alien, I think we need institute a religion test for every person applying for citizenship. Only Christians needs apply.

Are you effin serious??? I mean you DO know many Jews, Buddhists and atheists (among others) supported Trump right?

You want to expulse current citizens who aren't Christian or is it time to fire up the ovens?