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Sure, Apple has obviously made itself political lately. Apple customers are probably skewed liberal although probably less than you would imagine. Part of the latest political movement is gay marriage (2015). Cook was appointed CEO of the #1 company in 2011. Don't be so naive. Apple has always been edgy, revolutionary, different, forward thinking or at least wants you to think that.

He was appointed ceo because he was already the coo. But don’t let facts stand in the way of insane homophobic nonsense.

Here’s a hint: if someone says “liberal” instead of “progressive,” they might be a Roy Moore-worshipping Russian-backed supporter of the cheeto-faced siphilis-ridden bigot-in-chief.
 
He was appointed ceo because he was already the coo. But don’t let facts stand in the way of insane homophobic nonsense.

Here’s a hint: if someone says “liberal” instead of “progressive,” they might be a Roy Moore-worshipping Russian-backed supporter of the cheeto-faced siphilis-ridden bigot-in-chief.

I have nothing against people of any color or sexual preference or identity. I am against affirmative action and appointing people that are underqualified or unqualified to handle the job that spout their political views instead of doing their job.
 
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Tim recently said Apple is watching NRA TV closely and if it turns to "hate speech" they will ban it.

So, Tim is now the police? Who exactly is determining what fits "hate speech?"

Genuine question and a slippery slope.

Guess Apple is still supporting the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is absolutely a hateful organization targeting anyone with a differing opinion than theirs. Very frightening.
 
I have nothing against people of any color or sexual preference or identity. I am against affirmative action and appointing people that are underqualified or unqualified to handle the job that spout their political views instead of doing their job.

Are you implying Tim Cook is under qualified?

If so, then wow.
 
I have nothing against people of any color or sexual preference or identity. I am against affirmative action and appointing people that are underqualified or unqualified to handle the job that spout their political views instead of doing their job.
Jobs hired Cook away from Compaq in 1998, and he worked his ass off to get to where he is.
 
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Watching now. Interesting.

Does anyone have a link/url to the full interview that can be viewable from a Canadian IP address please?

Thanks in advance.

I agree.I think its time for Cook to leave.

Who would you suggest at Apple would replace him to lead the company into the future? Remember Apple tends to hire CEO's internally as a preference, they've made major mistakes going externally.

“Cook had some inflammatory words about Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, for example, stating "I wouldn't be in this situation" when asked what he would have done in Zuckerberg's shoes.

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We could make a ton of money if we monetized our customers. If our customers were our product. We've elected not to do that. ...We're not going to traffic in your personal life.
Cook also said Apple's customers are not the company's product, and that "well-crafted" regulation "is necessary" to prevent another Cambridge Analytica-style scandal.

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It's clear to me that something, some large profound change is needed... I'm personally not a big fan of regulation because sometimes regulation can have unexpected consequences to it, however I think this certain situation is so dire and has become so large, that probably some well-crafted regulation is necessary.”

I couldn’t agree more. The amount of personally identifying information Google & Facebook collect about their users isn’t something that sits comfortably with me (Even though I own a cheap Google home, but it’s only to turn the lights on and off, brighten/dim etc). I’m happy to see the emergence of companies like ProtonMail and others dedicated to the cause of privacy and encryption.

I think we ... ALL Apple product users need to serious take the time and effort to FULLY READ Apple's privacy statements in ALL their products and services including that on their main site.

https://www.apple.com/privacy/

example:

Differential privacy is used as the first step of a system for data analysis that includes robust privacy protections at every stage. The system is opt-in and designed to provide transparency to the user. The first step we take is to privatize the information using local differential privacy on the user’s device. The purpose of privatization is to assure that Apple’s servers don't receive clear data. Device identifiers are removed from the data, and it is transmitted to Apple over an encrypted channel. The Apple analysis system ingests the differentially private contributions, dropping IP addresses and other metadata. The final stage is aggregation, where the privatized records are processed to compute the relevant statistics and the aggregate statistics are then shared with relevant Apple teams. Both the ingestion and aggregation stages are performed in a restricted access environment so even the privatized data isn’t broadly accessible to Apple employees.

We need to ask ... "what ARE the relevant statistics and the aggregate statistics that are shared, and WHAT team(s) at Apple are looking at that data ... what are their responsibilities and roles, and whom are the team members?!" TO me THIS would be fully transparent!!

Hiding behind any vale, wording or otherwise is still a vale that Oz can use to pull the wool over any customers eyes. Don't believe anything just cause you read it, or heard it or see village people chanting the same mantra ... DIG for the full information ask experts to prove the information is right in a way you can understand it.

Sure, because for you revolutionary means making more PC boxes like Acer/Asus/Dell. Yeah, that's changing the world alright.

Meanwhile, Apple is diving deep into mobile chipsets, AI, AR, and also healthcare, things beyond shiny products. Those "kits" in the SDK don't just come out overnight.
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First, Foxconn is a Taiwanese company. And they have been moving to automation (robotics) for their manufacturing.
So only bigoted ignorant person would still making noise about the narrative of Foxconn and China slave labor. That's a bit old news.
Of course, it's funny you folks are not making any noise about whatever labor condition of the other OEMs. At least Apple has the guts to open up and made changes with Foxconn. Other Foxconn's customers like Dell, Microsoft, etc, seem to be silent.

Actually Dell has made some incredible revolution products that changed how companies make products which are changing the world. One specific product is an A/R or V/R type modelling interface for which Nike used to create the Nike Air VaporMax and other products in the last 14months which have incredibly reduced track and marathon times ... meaning runners are faster, less fatigued and "potentially" less professional athletes that run for their fitness and donations to social causes such as Terry Fox run or others can beat milestones for BONUS contritions which does better the world. Don't be so narrow minded just cause we're talking about computing companies.

Oh and Foxconn, which is the publicly trading name for Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., Ltd. ...
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn#Mainland_China

Foxconn has 12 factories in nine Chinese cities—more than in any other country.[29]

The largest Foxconn factory is located in Longhua Town, Shenzhen, where hundreds of thousands of workers (varying counts include 230,000,[28] 300,000,[30] and 450,000[31]) are employed at the Longhua Science & Technology Park, a walled campus[10] sometimes referred to as “Foxconn City”.[32] Covering about 1.16 square miles (3 square km),[33] it includes 15 factories,[32] worker dormitories, 4 swimming pools,[34] a fire brigade,[10] its own television network (Foxconn TV),[10] and a city centre with a grocery store, bank, restaurants, bookstore, and hospital.[10] While some workers live in surrounding towns and villages, others live and work inside the complex;[35] a quarter of the employees live in the dormitories, and many of them work up to 12 hours a day for 6 days each week.[28]

Another Foxconn factory "city" is located at Zhengzhou Technology Park in Zhengzhou, Henan province, where a reported 120,000 workers are employed as of 2012.[36]

Foxconn's future expansion include sites at Wuhan in Hubei province, Haizhow, Kunshan in Jiangsu province, Tianjin, Beijing, and Guangzhou in Guangdong province, China.[29]

On May 25, 2016, the BBC reported that Foxconn fired 60,000 employees because it had automated "many of the manufacturing tasks associated with their operations". Foxconn confirmed those claims.[37]

By my count that is 4 of their LARGEST manufacturing and assembly plants in China ALONE on an international scale. I think you need to dig a little further before replying with " So only bigoted ignorant person would still making noise about the narrative of Foxconn and China slave labor. That's a bit old news." ... as it's STILL current business and news!

Did you even take a look at their site at all?

Well this is a LOT off topic before the 4th post in this thread. There is always polarizing posts about Tim and his comments, trust me I've been lured into them quite as readily and easily as any of us. But I dislike so much drama and social media babbling about someone else's life views and actions that have no relevance, motivation, nor main impact of my own, or that of family and close friends. I enjoy Apple's products thus I buy and use them ... I don't come on Macrumors to participate in Apple company hating just cause of their CEO or the company's political or social views and stances since for the most part they aline with mine: Privacy and the respect of that (from what I've read thus far), quality products (they've been screwing up with their largest service: Siri and MacBook Pro I'm conflicted about) but the majority of their products and services are very well done and in line with their policy.

Which has me thinking lately ...

Since when was POLICY a statecraft of, and a service or product of Apple?!?? Very odd indeed. The world we live in today is making our heads spin ... less of us are fully and simply enjoying the products and services ... instead we're wearing badges of membership to advertise and claim allegiance not simply to the company that makes the products/services we use, but also to the statecraft and Policy (which is a craft of politics) stance of that company.
 
Tim recently said Apple is watching NRA TV closely and if it turns to "hate speech" they will ban it.

So, Tim is now the police? Who exactly is determining what fits "hate speech?"

Genuine question and a slippery slope.

Guess Apple is still supporting the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is absolutely a hateful organization targeting anyone with a differing opinion than theirs. Very frightening.

Southern poverty law center is a great organization and it is fantastic that Apple won’t allow racist Russian-propagandist garbage on their store.
 
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Tim Cook is nothing but a corporate/Social activist with money. He needs to leave his position and aslo leave Apple and technology alone.
 
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I have nothing against people of any color or sexual preference or identity. I am against affirmative action and appointing people that are underqualified or unqualified to handle the job that spout their political views instead of doing their job.

lol ... then I'd say you do have something against people of any colour. The whole and underlying reason why affirmative action came in to place is because a specific set of people where in places of power, financial wealth and making all the decisions which was not ethnically equal in the chance of opportunity for everyone. Having an issue against making jobs available for everyone with the right skills would say something about your views of being against that. Then again I maybe perceiving your small statement above a bit too narrow mindedly and not fully understanding the context of which you're intending or coming from.

Nobody stated affirmative action = (solely, fully, and only equals) hiring those under qualified or unqualified to handle any job of any kind.

sure I'm just focusing on the statement of affirmative action, not it's relevance in this thread.
 
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Part of Tim Cook's hiring was likely his sexual preference and liberal political stance. He was hand picked by Jobs. I don't think it was mere coincidence.

Really. His "sexual preference?" Why do you say that?
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I have nothing against people of any color or sexual preference or identity. I am against affirmative action and appointing people that are underqualified or unqualified to handle the job that spout their political views instead of doing their job.

Are you saying Apple does that? And that's why Mr. Cook is where he is because of "affirmative action" and is perhaps "under qualified," and was thus appointed CEO?
 
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Tim recently said Apple is watching NRA TV closely and if it turns to "hate speech" they will ban it.

So, Tim is now the police? Who exactly is determining what fits "hate speech?"

Genuine question and a slippery slope.

Guess Apple is still supporting the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is absolutely a hateful organization targeting anyone with a differing opinion than theirs. Very frightening.

Crapping out right wing talking points with a white supremacy meme as your damn avatar, and you talk about "slippery slope"... Go away.
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"Profit follows when you please your customers."

Ceteris Paribus, but that's not the reality we live in. Cost cutting is also how money is made, doing more with less equals for more monetary gains than just an increase in sales.

"They love Apple products more than ever"

Is that why they are getting rid of the iPhone X and the iPhone XI will cost less? Or why HS isn't ready for primetime and people are complaining left and right?

"Cook was closer to Jobs than anyone and was picked by Jobs to run the company."

IDK, I'm pretty sure his wife and kids were closer... also, even Jobs got things wrong. Cook is in no way Jobs, and never, ever will be. And the company as it existed under Jobs no longer exists. It's becoming more and more a services company and NOT a computer company.

If you cut cost enough that people think your product or support is crap, you lose your ability to charge a margin, you lose customers, and you make a lot less profits.

That's how it is now. You can't just "cut things" especially when going upmarket, eventually it effects quality or your products competitiveness and ability to charge a premium and serve those clients.

You sound like you reciting some thing you "feel" is true, but it just doesn't reflect actual economics 101 of 2018.

Eventually if you ******** people you become like Sony who kind of coasted for the whole 1995-2005 period and it wrecked them.
 
Timmey is a two time loser.
He should keep his mouth shut about politics.
Just like he typically does about his sexual preferences.
Would he want people to criticize him about that?
But somehow he feels entitled to discuss political matters.
Leave it alone.
All CEO's know not to comment on, Sex, Politics and Religion.
He thinks people are going to love him and kiss his a.... no matter what he says or does.
Typical privileged silicon valley living in a bubble where he's only exposed to kissing of 'that' type.
 
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Timmey is a two time loser.
He should keep his mouth shut about politics.
Just like he typically does about his sexual preferences.
Would he want people to criticize him about that?
But somehow he feels entitled to discuss political matters.
Leave it alone.
All CEO's know not to comment on, Sex, Politics and Religion.
He thinks people are going to love him and kiss his a.... no matter what he says or does.
Typical privileged silicon valley living in a bubble where he's only exposed to kissing of 'that' type.

He doesn’t talk about politics. He talks about morals. Not his fault that one political party is based entirely on immorality (casting out the poor and needy, celebrating infidelity in their leader, destroying the planet, worshipping weapons, throwing people out of the country who have lived here since babies and don’t even speak any other language, etc)
 
"Profit follows when you please your customers."

Ceteris Paribus, but that's not the reality we live in. Cost cutting is also how money is made, doing more with less equals for more monetary gains than just an increase in sales.

"They love Apple products more than ever"

Is that why they are getting rid of the iPhone X and the iPhone XI will cost less? Or why HS isn't ready for primetime and people are complaining left and right?

"Cook was closer to Jobs than anyone and was picked by Jobs to run the company."

IDK, I'm pretty sure his wife and kids were closer... also, even Jobs got things wrong. Cook is in no way Jobs, and never, ever will be. And the company as it existed under Jobs no longer exists. It's becoming more and more a services company and NOT a computer company.
Do some deeper thinking to understand why they might remove the iPhone X as it stands today from the lineup. Technology comes down in price and don’t worry, Apple will have a $999 phone in the lineup, whatever they decide.

Funny you think it’s because it doesn’t sell well (it’s the most popular iPhone since release) or that it’s too expensive (Apple will likely sell the X Plus for $999 or more).

You do realize the X strategy has worked brilliantly, right? You see the ASP and iPhone revenue actuals? All time records. The revenue was 20% better y/y on an absolute basis and even unit sales were up on a 14 week basis AND an ASP $100 more y/y. Apple sold nearly $1B PER DAY in Q12018, up 13% y/y. Let that sink in. Staggering.

So yes, the products are loved and iPhone X drove Apple to records. Believe what you want...numbers speak for themselves.
 
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Timmey is a two time loser.
He should keep his mouth shut about politics.
Just like he typically does about his sexual preferences.
Would he want people to criticize him about that?
But somehow he feels entitled to discuss political matters.
Leave it alone.
All CEO's know not to comment on, Sex, Politics and Religion.
He thinks people are going to love him and kiss his a.... no matter what he says or does.
Typical privileged silicon valley living in a bubble where he's only exposed to kissing of 'that' type.

When does he typically talk about his private life (or politics)? From what you're saying it must happen a lot. Be specific with some details, please.


"Typical privileged silicon valley living in a bubble where he's only exposed to kissing of 'that' type"

"That" type? What type is that?
 
I actually like Tim a lot, and I think he is often judged harshly based upon his lacklustre keynote presentations compared to Jobs rather than on his actual skills. Having said that, I have a hard time reconciling these three points:
-Tim says they screen the App Store for apps that have nefarious purposes
-Says that Facebook is nefarious
-Approves the Facebook App for the App Store anyway

Please explain this Tim.
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Tim recently said Apple is watching NRA TV closely and if it turns to "hate speech" they will ban it.

So, Tim is now the police? Who exactly is determining what fits "hate speech?"

Genuine question and a slippery slope.

Guess Apple is still supporting the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is absolutely a hateful organization targeting anyone with a differing opinion than theirs. Very frightening.
Apple is free to sell or not sell any product they choose. Just like any other store or company. And for thos who want NRA tv, they can go elsewhere.
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Scott Forstall
Yes because Scott has so many friends at Apple.
 
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I actually like Tim a lot, and I think he is often judged harshly based upon his lacklustre keynote presentations compared to Jobs rather than on his actual skills. Having said that, I have a hard time reconciling these three points:
-Tim says they screen the App Store for apps that have nefarious purposes
-Says that Facebook is nefarious
-Approves the Facebook App for the App Store anyway

Please explain this Tim.

Nothing to explain. People have the choice to use an App that will have access to information they have willingly agreed to provide (granted permission). If an App used an exploit to steal information about you, or used information in a manner contrary to what they claim, then that would be grounds for removal.

If Apple was charged with “protecting” users of iPhones, then why include Safari? I can visit any website I want and Apple doesn’t stop me, even if that website contains child pornography or code designed to steal credit card numbers.

Where does it stop?
 
Scott Forstall

Excellent choice! Considering he now has great experience - accredited too - with live broadway performances - he'd be an even bigger asset to Apple's push into curating it's own TV shows too!

But the real question is ... would Forstall work for Apple again - after being rudely exiled?!

Honestly I think the only way Forstall would consider working at Apple again is:
1. Tim Cook was no longer there - and would not be allowed to return.
2. Craig Federeghi also gets the boot, this time final (he did leave Apple before, then returned)
3- no more board member meddling about who takes top spot behind backs.
 
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What the hell are you talking about? You think jobs gave a **** if any of his employees were gay?
In the Walter Isaacson biography of Steve Jobs it says that Jobs prefered it that Cook was gay because in Jobs' mind Cook wouldn't have the distraction of a wife and kids and could devote himself to Apple. Not saying I agree, gay people have families too, but that's what Steve Jobs felt.
 
Hardly a revolution in CEO culture when he is another white male among the masses but nice to see a business role model that isn’t in the closet. Appointed by Steve himself and now head of a Wildly successful Apple - hard to argue against really but then this place wouldn’t be the same if we call could agree about something :)
 
Nothing to explain. People have the choice to use an App that will have access to information they have willingly agreed to provide (granted permission). If an App used an exploit to steal information about you, or used information in a manner contrary to what they claim, then that would be grounds for removal.

If Apple was charged with “protecting” users of iPhones, then why include Safari? I can visit any website I want and Apple doesn’t stop me, even if that website contains child pornography or code designed to steal credit card numbers.

Where does it stop?
That’s a fine argument in general, but makes no sense after watching the interview. Tim specifically says they curate the App Store for apps that go against their “values” and then proceeds to say that FB goes against their values. Obviously a web browser is different, as he states in the interview. But Apple specifically builds in support for FB across the system, too. I guess what I’m saying is that Apple provides a ringing endorsement of FB by allowing the app in the store and by building in system-wide integration. And then Tim turns around and says that FB goes against their values. Makes absolutely no sense, and I’m sorry that you can’t see the obvious contradiction.
 
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Timmey is a two time loser.
He should keep his mouth shut about politics.
Just like he typically does about his sexual preferences.
Would he want people to criticize him about that?
But somehow he feels entitled to discuss political matters.
Leave it alone.
All CEO's know not to comment on, Sex, Politics and Religion.
He thinks people are going to love him and kiss his a.... no matter what he says or does.
Typical privileged silicon valley living in a bubble where he's only exposed to kissing of 'that' type.

If the former CEO of Trump whatever steps back from his political position, then we can start talking. But maybe that was different: Kid of extremely rich parents, with a talent of ripping off investors, atheletic shape while incapable of serving in the military, big mouthed, extremely fond of abusing women, that's surely different.
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I actually like Tim a lot, and I think he is often judged harshly based upon his lacklustre keynote presentations compared to Jobs rather than on his actual skills. Having said that, I have a hard time reconciling these three points:
-Tim says they screen the App Store for apps that have nefarious purposes
-Says that Facebook is nefarious
-Approves the Facebook App for the App Store anyway

Please explain this Tim.

Realpolitik.
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You just proved my point. Tim Cook's political views (liberal, homosexual agenda) have nothing to do with Apple the company. The purpose of a company is solely to make a profit. Apple is not too big to fail and Tim Cook is not the president of a country.

No, it's not. When a company is created, it creates a charter, and the sole purpose of the company is to achieve what it's charter says. Being profitable will help achieving whatever goals a company has, but for most companies it is _not_ the purpose.

(PS. I knew a guy whose dissertation was about "motivations of company owners". And his studies showed quite clearly that making the maximum amount of money was the goal for a minority of company owners. Self actualisation was quite at the top, together with having power, social responsibility, reputation, with greed for money not being especially high up. Maybe because greed leads to actions that make companies fail).
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In the Walter Isaacson biography of Steve Jobs it says that Jobs prefered it that Cook was gay because in Jobs' mind Cook wouldn't have the distraction of a wife and kids and could devote himself to Apple. Not saying I agree, gay people have families too, but that's what Steve Jobs felt.

Where did he say that? Something I would like to check.
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Nothing to explain. People have the choice to use an App that will have access to information they have willingly agreed to provide (granted permission). If an App used an exploit to steal information about you, or used information in a manner contrary to what they claim, then that would be grounds for removal.

If Apple was charged with “protecting” users of iPhones, then why include Safari? I can visit any website I want and Apple doesn’t stop me, even if that website contains child pornography or code designed to steal credit card numbers.

Where does it stop?

It's a balancing act between safety and freedom. With two million apps on the store, I don't want to have to be careful what I use and what I don't use. I want the protection. With _one_ browser, I still want as much protection as possible, but I'm more willing to take responsibility.
 
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