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Yeah let's trust a site that promotes the man made global warming agenda. Real unbiased source. Again, Mother Nature has built in feedback loops. Plants and CO2 are that such loop. Wasn't too long ago that scientists were trying to figure out the balance of algae (a plant) to combat the rise of CO2 levels...

"Man made global warming agenda"

So you take issue with facts, do you also believe the Earth is flat? From your posts, it is quite clear you do not even have an elementary knowledge of science, yet you claim to know more than climate scientists, NASA, the Pentagon, etc.

This is what happens when ordinary people treat politics like a sport, and become unthinking puppets for a political party. Your party leaders have a vested interest in fossil fuel companies. You can deny truth all you want, but it won't make you immune to the consequences .
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It's funny reading people whine as though it's happened. As for Tim Cook sticking his nose in, if you care about the environment so much why are you making planned obsolescence computers, where you glue and solder in everything you can. Don't see any of these people handing in their private jets either. Typical liberal hypocrite.
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They're like the sad element of the brexit remainers in the UK, Trump could cure world hunger and cancer but they'd still find something to moan about. Liberals espouse tolerance yet the vocal ones are some of the least tolerant people.

And this is why conservative politicians are against education, they know that an educated populace is a liberal one. And thanks to comments like yours, we have proof.

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I swear Trumpsters why can't we just put them a island and call Trump Topia where Fuhrer Trump can run his own lunatic country. He needs to stop snorting #Covfefe.
 
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OHHHHHH so that's why the liberals are all about handouts and freebies and welfare. Been wondering why that was for a while now you have explained it perfectly. Because "people that work hard are never rich". Well there ya go. Thanks for the info!

Last I checked, liberals are against corporate welfare and freebies for the rich, and conservatives just can't get enough of blue state tax dollars to handout to corporations and the .01%. Funny how I never hear about the mammoth giveaways to corporations, or the already wealthy, but damn if some poor person needs some help in this country, who has fallen on hard times through no fault of his own, but of the doings of the wealthy elite, and conservatives lose it.
 
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I really wish I hadn't read through this thread. Some of the opinions expressed here make me despair for humanity's future. People are so greedy, so self-absorbed, so obsessed with a few more zeros on the end of their bank balance, they can happily damn the rest of it.

Whether or not you think global warming is a myth – and boy, there really are some of you out there – I simply can't understand the aversion to leaving the world better than you found it. I'm genuinely unable to wrap my head around why there's so much opposition to renewable energy and these sorts of pacts.

It's due to decades of spoon feeding people lies.

Lies like if we switch over to renewable energy sources it will bankrupt us, raise our taxes, take away our freedoms, etc. The pr people paid to dole out these lies don't want them to know that the renewable energy industry is creating jobs, creating wealth, and helping clean up our planet.
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concerned about the climate the guy who:

- kills iPhone/iPads and Macs with Planned Obsolescence
- solders ram on the iMac, Mac Mini and laptops so you can't upgrade
- lobbies Washington to fight the ‘right to repair’ legislation
- use child labors and dumps all toxic minerals in rivers and landfills
- laugh and denigrate Apple customers who use a mac that is 5 years old



then we have another hypocrite, Elon a tool who came here penniless and:

- screwed the original engineer that actually built tesla
- used the USA government loans to save his failing company
- avoided paying taxes in nevada with a lie to hire thousands of workers
- sell cars to liberal millionaires using profitless companies by milking the government

Elon go back to South Africa instead of threatening the president to withdrawal,
and try to take with you your blood sucking profitless companies.

we are paying 1/2 of each tesla with our tax money, the president should stop this immediately

Do you also feel so strongly about subsidies, tax breaks, and land giveaways to fossil fuel companies?
 
Tim Cook is such a good egg!
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I really wish I hadn't read through this thread. Some of the opinions expressed here make me despair for humanity's future. People are so greedy, so self-absorbed, so obsessed with a few more zeros on the end of their bank balance, they can happily damn the rest of it.

Whether or not you think global warming is a myth – and boy, there really are some of you out there – I simply can't understand the aversion to leaving the world better than you found it. I'm genuinely unable to wrap my head around why there's so much opposition to renewable energy and these sorts of pacts.
Hear hear.
 
It's due to decades of spoon feeding people lies.

Lies like if we switch over to renewable energy sources it will bankrupt us, raise our taxes, take away our freedoms, etc. The pr people paid to dole out these lies don't want them to know that the renewable energy industry is creating jobs, creating wealth, and helping clean up our planet.

But it just seems so short sighted. I don't see why cleaning up the planet can possibly be a bad thing, even if you somehow didn't believe in global warming. People are so obsessed with money but it'll become completely insignificant if they're just struggling to survive in 50 years. :(
 
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Liberals espouse tolerance yet the vocal ones are some of the least tolerant people.

Hold up there, you're doing that thing folk do where you basically make something up about a perceived enemy, then criticising them when they fall out of your own defined boundaries.

The only tolerance I've seen left wing people want is for others to not be so down on people with disabilities or foreigners, basically people that are not in control of a factor in their lives. I think if one is a self inflicted moron then, well, why should tolerance be extended to them?

So in order to not look like a fool please don't apply your own rules to others. Let them create their rules. I mean, should I go around saying "typical rightists only care about how much money they can make, they'd sell their dead grandma if they could". It's simply not true, I hope.
 
Why do people say stuff like this?

If Tim is a citizen of the US. Then he has all rights to address his government. The constitution gives ALL citizens of the US the right to do so.

That's not the point. The point is that Tim Cook is running Apple, and part of his job is to help making sure that Apple will have any customers 50 or 100 years from now. If the orange one can't do his job, then Cook needs to help.
 
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Like geo-engineering? Spraying the clouds with barium, strontium, aluminium and all kinds of very poisonous substances. Or, maybe HAARP, manipulating climate by RF.

I'm sure you are well intending but serving your masters agenda have turned you into a fool.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad and pathetic.

The elite you speak of, are in political power, and use their power to indoctrinate people into believing climate change is a hoax, all to enrich themselves, at the expense of people like you.

The Trump regime isn't full of climate scientists, its full of fossil fuel kingpins, and people like the Koch brothers have a masssive web of control over way too many of our nations institutions. The rich people like Elon Musk who are trying to do something about this problem have no political power, period.

I'm afraid you're guilty of what you've accused others of having fallen for, except the propaganda you swallowed was from the elitists who profit off of doing nothing, and continuing the course of environmental destruction, all to enrich them and them only.
 
Are you dumb? The earth naturally changes it climate, only liberals think it's ok to interfere with the earth's natural change.
You are asking someone if they are dumb? I think you should have a good look in the mirror.

One, there's nothing natural about the climate change in the last 100 years. Two, if it was natural, that doesn't make it any less damaging, so we would still have to see how we can change it.
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How many of those clinton votes were from illegals? We will never know. Besides, the country as a whole elected Trump. California does not get to decide by itself.

How many trump votes were from illegals? They see orange. They think cheetos. They like cheetos. The vote trump.

Or can anyone come up with a better explanation why anyone voted for him?
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They're like the sad element of the brexit remainers in the UK, Trump could cure world hunger and cancer but they'd still find something to moan about. Liberals espouse tolerance yet the vocal ones are some of the least tolerant people.

We'll never find out what would happen if Trump cured world hunger and cancer. We'll probably learn soon what happens when millions in the USA cannot pay for health care anymore.
 
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But it just seems so short sighted. I don't see why cleaning up the planet can possibly be a bad thing, even if you somehow didn't believe in global warming. People are so obsessed with money but it'll become completely insignificant if they're just struggling to survive in 50 years. :(
You are mistaken about the apparent dichotomy.

There's a direct correlation between countries being prosperous and taking care of the environment, lowering pollution etc. I live in Switzerland, believe me, they are nuts about this stuff. Because they can afford it.

The poorer a country is, the less it cares about these issues. And the problem with this highly politicized carbon-emissions deal is that it's a brake on prosperity. The affluent, middle and upper class people living in rich cities in the US don't care about this and see it emotionally ("but think about the children and future generations"), like Cook. The poor living elsewhere see the destruction of their jobs and opportunities through government diktat.

And now that the poor have voted themselves a president, he'll probably do what he campaigned to do, which is ignore Cook & Co and pull out of this Paris deal.
 
This accord costs trillions and its best outlook is to lower global temps 0.05 degrees over 100 yrs. Its a pretty idiotic return for the money. It's a guilt pact. It punishes emerging countries and damages economies already emerged.

Meh. (And I'm NOT a Trump fan)
 
But it just seems so short sighted. I don't see why cleaning up the planet can possibly be a bad thing, even if you somehow didn't believe in global warming. People are so obsessed with money but it'll become completely insignificant if they're just struggling to survive in 50 years. :(

I sometimes think it's because most of the people in power are very old, and know these things are true so they just don't care about future generations and just care about making as much money as possible.

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WHY ......should Tim Cook and others "stay out of politics"? That is the current thinking of Trump supporters and some of the Republicans. In other words, should we ALL "stay out of politics", when the POLITICS (big and small) is the thing that drive us all to act OR not act, to have our say or not, to have a right to vote and have a say in our government - local and federal. Trump IS a dunce and so is the current White House. The last time I check, this is America, not Russia or Iran.
Last time I checked, this is still America. Not Russia or Iran, what's your point? You think ONLY Trump supporters feel he should stay out politics? You're ignorant.
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It's more than settled.... it's concrete. You only need a very simple understanding of a few things, such as the fact that greenhouse gases trap heat in the atmosphere. These concentrations or pockets are uneven and so the heating is fundamentally different from cyclical heating that occurred in the past.

It's only a "debate" in extremely capitalist societies (mainly America) in order to protect vast fossil fuel industries. It's done by propagandizing imbeciles who then jump on message boards or social media and present their vacuous side of the debate.
It's NOT concrete, saying so doesn't make it so.
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Nope. Keep repeating it too and see if it changes anything.
Keep repeating your side, as if climate change doesn't happen daily. Oh wait...it does.
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I only hope this excuse for a man, this orange monkey with **** for brains is impeached before he causes more damage to our country and the world at large. As one of the last good Republicans said, he's a "national disgrace and an international pariah." Time to get him out of there.
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Good point. I would even go further and say that even if there was genuine doubt, the fact that the nearest habitable planet is millions of light years away at best with no means for us to get there, we should really air on the side of caution. If the damage is being done, the consequences are too great to ignore.
He's NOT going to be impeached, better suck it up buttercup.
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They don't deal in facts.
Ironic.
 
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If China signs the same terms as the US (decrease emissions immediately to hit goals in 2020s) this would be an okay treaty, instead China is allowed to increase emissions for over a decade while we hobble our economy. Whoever is negotiating for China is doing a hell of a job.
 
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Again, he's done nothing to warrant impeachment, those pesky little facts, they get ya every time. But hey, keep wishing it, just like he had no chance of winning. Have fun with those delusions.

And again, I've just said "who knows what the future will bring..." I would be delusional if I pretended to know otherwise.
 
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