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Pro is a new iPad Pro lineup coming in march.

He is so comfortable basically lying. The guy says nothing of substance.

The real pros left a long time ago Tim, and you did nothing to keep them. Words are cheap. For Tim a 2017 pro uses an iPad Pro .

And I suspect the iPhone 7s is coming and so is the iPhone pro ...with a pro price
 
Which is why I think that without the ability to at least occasionally surprise us in a positive way, the secrecy and it's accompanying secret speak (great things in the pipeline, we love the Mac, etc.) does nothing but piss professionals off.

Pros need to be able to plan for large/expensive purchases and know if product lines are disappearing, etc.
So, professionals put up with the secrecy in the Jobs era because Apple delivered things like the iPhone and iPad? The positive vibe these products (and other Jobs surprises) added to the Apple brand compensated for the secrecy that existed with Pro gear as much as the rest of lineup?
 
Pro is a new iPad Pro lineup coming in march.

He is so comfortable basically lying. The guy says nothing of substance.

The real pros left a long time ago Tim, and you did nothing to keep them. Words are cheap. For Tim a 2017 pro uses an iPad Pro .

And I suspect the iPhone 7s is coming and so is the iPhone pro ...with a pro price
And their profits keep growing. Apple will do what they want because the mac is a very small portion of business. If people want to stick around they will. Everyone can moan all they want but the Mac is not whats bringing in the big bucks. Its iPhone, iPad , services, apps.
 
Dollars to donuts Apple regretted the cylinder Mac Pro as soon as they released it. It gives so little leeway for them to upgrade it since they require completely custom storage, video, mother board, etc. It's gotta be a pain in the ass to have to handle every aspect of the machine. It was a neat idea, but good lord, even Silicon Graphics ditched completely custom boxes nearly two decades ago.

I think they'll return to a tower form factor. Maybe not one quite so large and ungainly, but not a little bitty thing like the Mac Pro 2013.
 
2008 MacBook (the first aluminum edition). 240 GB SSD, 4GB RAM.

GIVE ME A REASON TO UPGRADE, BECAUSE I'M STILL LOVING THIS MACHINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Faster processor, faster graphics, more RAM, better screen, better speakers, thinner, lighter, better battery life, not doing it for you?
 
Oh ****, that'll cost me. I wrote Tim Cook I will buy the next Mac Pro.
Never thought that could happen.
 
If - and I mean IF - they do come out with updated Macs, be they iMacs (most likely) or something else, they will probably raise the prices, make some good decisions, definitely some bad, many won't like them (probably justifiably so), and Schiller, whom I've really come to dislike as far as his public persona goes, will tell us why we should love they've done and how no one else could do what Apple does. I still can't believe how he justified removing the SD slot from the new MB pro. "It’s a bit of a cumbersome slot. You've got this thing sticking halfway out." Because a dongle is so much better that. :cool:

I hope I'm wrong, but my faith in Apple as far their computers go is pretty low these days....
 
I think the root problem is Appl's bastardized use of the word "Pro" and other people's assumptions are as to what that label implies.

Anyone can slap "Pro" after any product and ultimately it don't mean jack. It's just a word. DustBuster Pro, Grillmaster Pro, MacBook Pro, Mac Pro, Gerbil Habitat Pro. It's all BS.

Apple no longer makes professional grade hardware but instead makes exceedingly expensive consumer electronics. The "Pro" moniker is just an allusion. The fact that some professionals use Apple computers doesn't qualify their machine as worthy of professional use.

If they were only to change the name of their products, I think people would get less agitated.

I suggest:

Mac Mini > Mac Eco box lite
iMac > Mac all in one Home Edition
Mac Pro> Mac Home Edition

How many people would want to buy them with those labels?

Exactly. It's all marketing.
 
With people saying things like this Apple really needs to take note!

I like Apple but in business criticism is better than a** ki**ing.
I like Apple, too. I used to adore them. Their mentalities (intricacies, simplicity, etc.) effected the way I look at life in a great way. I just hate the BS, and it's all I see from them anymore.
 
Dollars to donuts Apple regretted the cylinder Mac Pro as soon as they released it.

I hope so because I regretted selling my Cheese Grater after Schiller finished his walk though of the TrashCan Mac Pro and announced the price. So if the MP has been neglected b/c Apple was reworking it great, but I don't get the feeling making user upgradable products is in TC's wheel house. He like disposable because he's such a profound supporter of recycling -- that is taking customer's money and turning into his annual bonus.
 
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I agree that the aluminum MacPros are an incredible design, that stood the test of time very well for many years (hell, we still use lots of them at work even alongside cylinder MPs). But that design could be updated and tweaked to make it a little more modern: smaller, lighter, cooler, less fan noise, easily rack-mountable or used stand-alone. I work at a Fortune 500 company and we would buy dozens if not hundreds of those in a second. Especially if they could offer 16 or 24 cores.

Right now we are on hold for all the Apple pro machines (we have at least several hundred in various locations) hoping Apple will update. But it's not going to last much longer, if they don't do it our entire operation will almost certainly switch over to Windows for those applications. We already switched from Final Cut Pro to Premiere last year on our edit machines so that's one less barrier but it will still be a painful (and most likely permanent) transition.

And once all your workhorse machines switch to Windows, how long before they decide to just change all the laptops over as well? Currently virtually all our laptops (thousands of them) are Mac or in some cases Linux, you actually need a special request to be issued a Windows machine.

And after everyone is using Windows (or whatever else), how long before those people stop buying personal Apple laptops and iMacs so they're working on the same system at home? And then stop recommending Apple hardware to friends and family because they're now out of the loop?

Tim Cook does not seem to see the ultimate end game of this disturbing trend of neglecting the pro products. It will have bad implications far beyond just those products and users.

Cook and Apple have to be painfully aware of this. Companies like yourself must have dedicated Apple reps that you buy from. There must be a huge outcry up and down Apple about this issue from those reps and salesmen directly and others indirectly. Not to mention all of Apple's engineers who work on Macs. Apple knows they screwed up. When we find out why, it is going to be an interesting story. But abandoning the marketplace because Apple couldn't be bothered to work on it just doesn't make sense. There has to be some designs that have failed.
 
He is speaking sense. What we need is a March event with new iMacs and updated retina MacBooks.

Then new Pros at WWDC and maybe some 'leaks' about what actually went wrong with the Pro, and how Apple knows that won't happen again going forward.
 
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Dollars to donuts Apple regretted the cylinder Mac Pro as soon as they released it. It gives so little leeway for them to upgrade it since they require completely custom storage, video, mother board, etc. It's gotta be a pain in the ass to have to handle every aspect of the machine. It was a neat idea, but good lord, even Silicon Graphics ditched completely custom boxes nearly two decades ago.

I think they'll return to a tower form factor. Maybe not one quite so large and ungainly, but not a little bitty thing like the Mac Pro 2013.

I'm putting some of the blame on Jony Ive and his ego. Another vanity project that favours form over function. No regard for usability, but simply what it looks like under soft lighting.
 
Apple will again aim iPads at the 'Pro' markets. Tim wasn't referring to Mac Pro machines.

Maybe Tim thinks he can release Xcode for the iPad and expect that it will fulfil people's needs, which it won't - except maybe hobby coders .

Of course this isn't their plan. If it was, why release the retina MacBook? It seems like the product iPad is closest to replacing!
 
I hope for Photos Pro
As a photographer the mere mention of a Photos Pro makes me want to vomit all over my Aperture license.

I actually still run Aperture because it houses decades of my personal photo library. In fact, that library runs on a 2012 MacBook PRO 15" which I've upgraded to a 500GB SSD and replaced the DVD drive with a 2TB HDD. With a few tweaks it's the most practical and personal computer I've ever owned.

This setup is what makes me miss Jobs so much. It was an expensive initial investment but over the years then simple upgrades kept it near the top of the line. But look where we are now. 20% more money for disposable computers with minimal ports and zero upgradability.

Tim can say he wants to make Pro products but clearly he has no interest in finding out what the Pro market does with their computers. (Hint. We don't slide them into envelopes. We put them on desks and work)
 
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