Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'You Will See Us Do More in the Pro Area'

[Dave245]

You have to compare all variants to see the southward trends (*not just surface) ..the plan is on track pick apart apl eco one by one..apl is under assault that's why so many are upset here

You don't actually believe that do you? Apple is under assault from who? yes other companies are making devices, i've said in other threads that Samsung have stepped up their game in terms of premium design, and Microsoft have found a market with the Surface. But you must be delusional if you think it's going to kill off Apple or even over take them at the moment.

secondly the people on this forum do not represent the majority of users.

 

[balamw]

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[oldmacs]

This should be greeted as great news for pro users wanting great new products and experiences. Tim Cook has underlined Apple is committed to you. Calm down, quit whining, great things are coming!

Pro's need more than the same 'amazing pipeline' promise that I swear we've heard at least 2-3 times before. Apple isn't committed at all, and they'll have to do a lot to return to commitment.

 

[maflynn]

Pro's need more than the same 'amazing pipeline' promise that I swear we've heard at least 2-3 times before. Apple isn't committed at all, and they'll have to do a lot to return to commitment.

While I'm encouraged by the remarks, I agree with you, he's been saying that they have amazing products in the pipeline for a number of years at this point. I think its over-due to see what those products are.

 

[IPadNParadise]

Steve Jobs died and the 'One More (Great) Thing' died with him. Evidently he instilled such belief in Apple, it still continues but we're slowly gettin' it, Apple aint ever gonna be the same without Steve!

 

[BoltmanLives]

You don't actually believe that do you? Apple is under assault from who? yes other companies are making devices, i've said in other threads that Samsung have stepped up their game in terms of premium design, and Microsoft have found a market with the Surface. But you must be delusional if you think it's going to kill off Apple or even over take them at the moment.

secondly the people on this forum do not represent the majority of users.

Apl is struggling for market share globally, it is losing stature in branding, ios has the most problems of any mobile os, most yearly releases of their primary driver are iterative...better is here and coming...so yes I believe that.

 

[Dave245]

Apl is struggling for market share globally, it is losing stature in branding, ios has the most problems of any mobile os, most yearly releases of their primary driver are iterative...better is here and coming...so yes I believe that.

Your free to believe what you like that's what's great about living in a democracy but i personally don't believe that, and i certainly don't think that Apple's IOS has the most problems out of any OS, that's not to say that it hasn't had issues but no where near as much as other OS's such as Android and Windows.

 

[BoltmanLives]

Your free to believe what you like that's what's great about living in a democracy but i personally don't believe that, and i certainly don't think that Apple's IOS has the most problems out of any OS, that's not to say that it hasn't had issues but no where near as much as other OS's such as Android and Windows.

Window 10 mobile is solid, 10 itself is great...I'll give you the Android mess
You personally don't believe that, because you haven't really tried anything else most likely.
I conversely have and own an Ipad. My family has androids I do tech support for.

 

[navaira]

Personal tastes are personal – I love Android, and I love chuckling at iOS on the big iPad Pro with four icons with tiny text hanging in that huuuuuge empty space. But to go back to topic at hand, I think Cook simply understands the word "Pro" differently from us here. After all, I've read posts from doctors, writers, illustrators, iTunes DJs saying that they are professionals (and they are!) and love their iPad Pros.

But then I also believe the future of computing according to Apple is an iPhone Pro (yes, I said it) connected to a dong... dock, I mean, which in turn will be connected to a 5K Ultrafine Display and a Magic Keyboard With Touchbar. iPad Pro with detachable keyboard (also connectable to dong-dock) will replace all other portables. (That was not sarcasm.) If you actually need a Mac Pro, you can buy the 2013 model, apple.com still advertises it as "new". (This was.) This way the Jobs square will be completed:

iPad Pro
iPhone Pro
iPad
iPhone

...plus Mac Pro, which doesn't sell because it doesn't get upgrades, and it doesn't get upgrades because it doesn't sell, but there are still 350 of them left in storage, which means enough supply to satisfy demand until 2022. Of course this isn't going to happen in 2017, but I think that's the reason for them pushing iPads that bring less revenue than Macs.

 

[marcoago]

I'm part of the team of artists that won the Oscar, BAFTA and VES for Best Visual Effects with The Jungle Book. Mac Pros have completely disappeared from artist's desks here and my 2010 Mac Pro at home will soon need to be replaced. I fear this time around it will have to be a Windows based workstation because Apple just doesn't care about professionals like us anymore. […]

Yes. Even on the other side of the spectrum things are changing, in the "prosumer" or entry level professional market. My friend is working on (small) CGI projects, heavy 3D rendering and she has switched back to a Windows workstation because of the poor Mac's horsepower with absurd price tags.

I'm in music production and in all the studios I have been, I have spotted aged Mac Pro towers only. Talking with some owners, they'd prefer to get a Windows PC rather than buying the nowadays Apple Mac Pros.

 

[Dave245]

You personally don't believe that, because you haven't really tried anything else most likely.
I conversely have and own an Ipad. My family has androids I do tech support for.

Your wrong there because I have, I use to have a Samsung Galaxy and it was terrible Touchwiz was a nightmare. I also use to use windows before getting my first Mac, and I much prefer MacOS (or Mac OS X as it use to be known) over Windows.

One of my friends also use to use a Surface for work, by the end of it she was so frustrated with it that she sold it and used her own money to buy something else.
I've also tried a touch screen computer, one of my other friends has a kid who used it for school work and so on, I tried it and it was a terrible experience, they ended up getting rid of it and he now uses an iPad at school.

So I have tried different devices, it's not like I'm just saying all of it because I'm a big Apple fan, I do happen to agree with them on a number of things as well as own their technology because it works for me.

 

[Steve121178]

While I'm encouraged by the remarks, I agree with you, he's been saying that they have amazing products in the pipeline for a number of years at this point. I think its over-due to see what those products are.

There's very clearly nothing in the pipeline, just incremental updates to everything. Whilst the money is pouring in, they won't take any risks & certainly not on any brand new product lines. The new MacBook Pro's proved that Apple can't be trusted to even launch as something as basic as a redesigned laptop without screwing it up. Apple Watch proved that when they do try something new, it takes a long, long time before they start to see any sort of return.

 

[BoltmanLives]

Your wrong there because I have, I use to have a Samsung Galaxy and it was terrible Touchwiz was a nightmare. I also use to use windows before getting my first Mac, and I much prefer MacOS (or Mac OS X as it use to be known) over Windows.

One of my friends also use to use a Surface for work, by the end of it she was so frustrated with it that she sold it and used her own money to buy something else.
I've also tried a touch screen computer, one of my other friends has a kid who used it for school work and so on, I tried it and it was a terrible experience, they ended up getting rid of it and he now uses an iPad at school.

So I have tried different devices, it's not like I'm just saying all of it because I'm a big Apple fan, I do happen to agree with them on a number of things as well as own their technology because it works for me.

Sounds like your windows experience is old and sounds like your friend is not computer savvy like half the population. Until you live in another eco for more than a demo you really haven't tried. I've my Ipad for almost two years seen enough to form an opinion My family has had androids 7 off them over several years I've enough experience to form an opinion... so I go into this very knowledgeable not relying on friends who seem incapable at computing.

There is a common theme here, many here switched to Apl a long time ago and used windows prior perhaps drawn by the hip "I'm a Mac" ads. They assume apl to be the best in 2017 and refuse to do critical analysis on apl eco and other ecos, its the power of the default and slowly boiling. I have the luxury of being in the security realm and evaluate system based on that. That's what I primarily choose Microsoft. I also do not get enamored with tech unless it helps me at a fair price. I'm a very late SmartPhone adopter, prices had to plunge for me to see any value. I like pro tools and professional OS's again why I choose Microsoft. Plus they are on to the next paradigms is exciting intellectually.

 

[Dave245]

Sounds like your windows experience is old and sounds like your friend is not computer savvy like half the population. Until you live in another eco for more than a demo you really haven't tried. I've my Ipad for almost two years seen enough to form an opinion My family has had androids 7 off them over several years I've enough experience to form an opinion... so I go into this very knowledgeable not relying on friends who seem incapable at computing.

again your wrong, I've not just used them for half an hour, I've tried these devices over time so yes I have tried them. To say that other people are not tech savvy and incapable at computing just because they don't agree with your opinion really does show just how in denial you really are!

 

[jblagden]

It's so easy to bitch and moan. Some people make some good points here - but so many are just lazy attacks.


On the mac side yes. I think it's partly focus on iPhone/iPad/watch and partly intel's chip delays/plans. I can't get to worked up about it. My nMac Pro is doing fine going on three years. My iPad Pro is rocking it.

I posted I'd bet anyone $100 that they'd release a new Mac Pro this year but no takers. People love complaining but don't want to put they're money where there mouth is.

There are many legitimate concerns... but there are many more that are just nonsense!

"No takers"

Well, it really depends on what the new Mac Pro will be. If it's another trashcan, then yeah, there probably won't be any takers. But if it's a cheesegrater or something similar, there will likely be a lot of takers. Video professionals, photographers - lots of folks in creative fields. Though, for some groups, they'd need to provide an Nvidia option - specifically, people who want to run scientific apps and Adobe apps, or play games. One of the Mac Pro's biggest strengths was its upgradability and reparability - if a part broke or was too slow for your needs, you could just replace it or upgrade it. Folks aren't buying the nMP because it has no upgrade path, not to mention there hasn't even been a new one in three years. If they release a new "cheesegrater" Mac Pro, there will be huge sales due to pent-up demand. Sure, some folks are happy with the trashcan and others have switched to Windows, but there are still a lot of folks who are anxiously waiting for a new cheesegrater. If Apple released a new cheesegrater and I had the cash for it, I'd be one of the first in line to buy one - assuming they had an Nvidia option, and maybe even an i7 option.
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Ok you darn tech heads.. How can a Mac Pro be as thin as it needs to be until the rest of the world catches up!?!?!

It's not Apple's fault. They'd love to release a Mac Pro squished down to the size of an iPad but the world of today just wont allow it..

Remember, Pro's need a Supermodel of a computer.. Looks good, concentration camp thin and very, very little going on behind the scenes.

I really hope you're being sarcastic.

 

[BoltmanLives]

again your wrong, I've not just used them for half an hour, I've tried these devices over time so yes I have tried them. To say that other people are not tech savvy and incapable at computing just because they don't agree with your opinion really does show just how in denial you really are!

Ok here is fun game can you walk in to a new house and turn on a football game yourself? can others?

Its about 50% that other 50% is NOT tech savvy (good for apl who caters to that)
I'm an observer, so my reality of the situation is sound. I'm trained observer of tech and users.

 

[jblagden]

This. This. THIS.

It is not so much an exodus. But when a machine dies, or gets overrun by inevitable software updates, many high end professionals, to get the performance to be competitive, simply HAVE to leave the platform. It's been a slow attrition, but it's been going on for a decade, the body count piles up.

I don't know about a decade, but I'll grant you it's been a few years. The last good Mac Pro was from 2012. Though, I realize some folks are still using Mac Pros from 2008.

 

[Dave245]

I'm an observer, so my reality of the situation is sound. I'm trained observer of tech and users.

In your opinion, it is not fact based and that's the point. As I've said I've tried other tech and so have people I know and it is those opinions that differ, just because some people don't agree doesn't mean that they don't know what they are talking about. The friend I was talking about is a teacher and the Surface she was using was in her opinion no good, she sold it and used something else, now that may differ from your opinion but it's no less valid regardless of what you may think.

 

[jblagden]

From HP's website ...
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Looks like a MacBook to me. Now we just need Apple to license OS X to HP.

 

[BoltmanLives]

In your opinion, it is not fact based and that's the point. As I've said I've tried other tech and so have people I know and it is those opinions that differ, just because some people don't agree doesn't mean that they don't know what they are talking about. The friend I was talking about is a teacher and the Surface she was using was in her opinion no good, she sold it and used something else, now that may differ from your opinion but it's no less valid regardless of what you may think.

It may differ, surface pro is a really good professional-grade device and she may like android or apl a simple 50% comfort deal.

 

[jblagden]

Your free to believe what you like that's what's great about living in a democracy but i personally don't believe that, and i certainly don't think that Apple's IOS has the most problems out of any OS, that's not to say that it hasn't had issues but no where near as much as other OS's such as Android and Windows.

Actually, the US is a republic, not a democracy.

 

[peter2]

and what are you doing on the computer while it's using all those cores?

nothing.

that's why i don't get the 'painful' bit.

i'd way rather have a computer working super fast while i'm using it than while i'm not.

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render on the cloud.
it's laughable how much faster and cheaper i can render on my laptop than you could on a 12core 'beast'.

i render on a 36000 core supercomputer for ~$1 per image.
a full size full quality image takes about 30 seconds now. last decade, the same image would take about 18hrs on my mac pro.

While it's using all these cores you can use it normally for whatever you need - the threads doing the computation have a lower priority set, so absolutely no problem for normal apps to work at full speed.

Glad you can use cloud/supercomputers, I can't ... We have access to quite a few supercomputers and although they have many nodes, none of the nodes has access to 128 GB RAM for a single core if needed, as opposed to our tower Mac Pro.

The point is: iMacs nor the trashcan Mac Pro are designed to run at full power without heat / noise issues.

 

[Tasburath]

In your opinion, it is not fact based and that's the point. As I've said I've tried other tech and so have people I know and it is those opinions that differ, just because some people don't agree doesn't mean that they don't know what they are talking about. The friend I was talking about is a teacher and the Surface she was using was in her opinion no good, she sold it and used something else, now that may differ from your opinion but it's no less valid regardless of what you may think.

Just ignore Boltman. He is a known Apple hater that posts his anti-Apple drivel anywhere that he can. He also thinks that Microsoft can do no wrong and copies/pastes their marketing material every chance that he gets.

Hell, he can't even spell Apple.

He got banned from Betanews and is now just trolling over here.

 

[Dave245]

Actually, the US is a republic, not a democracy.

US might be but us here in the UK have at least some form of democracy
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Just ignore Boltman. He is a known Apple hater that posts his anti-Apple drivel anywhere that he can. He also thinks that Microsoft can do no wrong and copies/pastes their marketing material every chance that he gets.

Hell, he can't even spell Apple.

He got banned from Betanews and is now just trolling over here.

Ah that would explain it, thank you for the heads up

 

[jblagden]

US might be but us here in the UK have at least some form of democracy

Good point. I just assumed your were in the US. Sorry about that.