Apple Delays iPhone 6 Plus Battery Replacements Until March-April Due to Limited Supply

[deferredAnon]

In another thread, I asked whether Apple was going to make the throttling code (user) toggles in iOS much as we can toggle on and off other battery-burning features such as bluetooth, wifi and cellular. Apple could set these "power management" toggles to a (recommended) default and even include a "reset to default" button to put them back to Apple's view of ideal if users have made changes. Apple could also offer warning dialog boxes when changes users have made + wear on the battery is likely to result in less-than-ideal experiences such as sudden shut downs, etc. Personally, I'd like to see that myself, just like I like that I can turn on or off other faster battery-users like bluetooth, wifi & cellular on my iDevices.

Throttle button isn't coming because we are assuming this was done to diminish effects of degrading batteries. If an option is given, those like us who had no prior shutdown or other battery related issues will question why Apple throttled us initially.

Therefore, I don't think there will be a throttle toggle. I am also now questioning if battery replacement should be done because of Apple's lack of transparency to what causes/initiates throttling and to what degree. If the phone won't last another two years without throttling, I don't think it's worth it.

I hope I am wrong especially seeing that even a US senator is asking about a toggle button, but chances are unlikely.

 

[deckard666]

Enjoy your slower phone for the next four months.

Enjoy your sometimes under extreme circumstances slower phones - see I put that right for you

 

[RickInHouston]

This is awfully "interesting" from a commenter over at Ars today... (see image)

Well THAT truly sucks!
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I may be making the jump to the dark side of the force-Samsung Note or Pixel 3 XL later this year. Apple has lost its mojo and the upper management are a bunch of buffoons.

Count me in! Pixel 3 XL. Or maybe not. My Pixel is screaming right along!
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I think you should consider legal options, or join an existing one.

If Apple is throttling after six months and 100 cycles, then what is the purpose of battery replacement?

I think Inner Apple Management is circling the wagons. I bet there is much, much more they are not telling the consumer of their Goods and Services.

 

[Moorepheus]

I guess you have never had to wait for a car part huh? Guess the dealer just tried to seek you a new car rather than wait.

40K cars are a lot different then a 1k phone. But if you feel better, yes, I have waited for a warranty parts for my car. Funny, though, I have never waited for parts in which I had to pay for, just saying.

 

[bmark]

Source?

Pure speculation. Plenty of people run iOS 11.2 on an iPhone 6 or 6s and have perfect benchmarks...because their battery is healthy.

Everyone’s battery is over 80% capacity on Apple’s worthless testing because the cpu is throttled by 50%. My iPhone 6 plus runs like utter crap on 11.2.2 with the latest bs fixes aka throttling 2.0. I even did a full restore and nothing has changed. Words with friends app doesn’t even load up anymore. Now I’m on the 6-8 year waiting list to get my battery replaced. I bet the iPhone XS comes out before they even get the batteries in stock.

 

[Moorepheus]

Do you have insight into how many iPhone 6, 6s, and 7 are not impacted by software power management?

You can’t assume everyone phone has issues because a subset do have issues.

But, you can assume that everyone that has upgraded to the iOS release in which software power management was introduced, will have this issue. So, yes, everyone (as stated before), once their iPhones reaches the threshold of what is set in software, will experience the Power Management Feature.

I should have been more clear. Your phone should only be throttled if certain conditions are also met, especially if the battery is failing/consumed (less than 80% of original full charge capacity, and less than 500 charge cycles. But in reality, if your phone is being "throttled", you probably just have a software issue that could be addressed by a restore and set up as new, or other software/firmware fixes, and really isn't a battery.

Everyone acts like their phone is going to explode if they don't get a battery replacement lmao.

I am sure you know how long it takes to do a Full Backup and Restore, taking into account for the size of these phones. I am not saying this won't help some people, as I have seen it has, but I hate getting a new iPhone just because it takes hours to backup and then twice as long to restore (because you have to update the phones iOS first and then restore and then add all your apps, music, etc).

 

[bmark]

But, you can assume that everyone that has upgraded to the iOS release in which software power management was introduced, will have this issue. So, yes, everyone (as stated before), once their iPhones reaches the threshold of what is set in software, will experience the Power Management Feature.



I am sure you know how long it takes to do a Full Backup and Restore, taking into account for the size of these phones. I am not saying this won't help some people, as I have seen it has, but I hate getting a new iPhone just because it takes hours to backup and then twice as long to restore (because you have to update the phones iOS first and then restore and then add all your apps, music, etc).

I verified doing a full backup and restore does nothing to improve the performance. Anyone on an iPhone 6 has a very ****** experience with iOS 11.2.2. I still can't believe Apple started throttling devices, that was such a low class move by them. Definitely something I would expect on Androids but Apple has resorted to desperate tactics to boost sales!

 

[ronno]

Anyone on an iPhone 6 has a very ****** experience with iOS 11.2.2. I still can't believe Apple started throttling devices, that was such a low class move by them.

Agreed, low class. Especially from a company so concerned with image. Also low class is charging $1200 for the only iPhone which doesn’t look like it was designed 6 years ago. I have the X and it’s simply not worth the money IMO.
Nearly $600 to replace the back screen? We have reached completely stupid territory here.

 

[Michael Goff]

Agreed, low class. Especially from a company so concerned with image. Also low class is charging $1200 for the only iPhone which doesn’t look like it was designed 6 years ago. I have the X and it’s simply not worth the money IMO.
Nearly $600 to replace the back screen? We have reached completely stupid territory here.

It’s not nearly 600$ to replace the back screen. You can’t just replace the glass. You’re basically taking the screen off the phone and putting it on a new one.

Edit: It’s because the internals are attached to the back and not to the screen.

 

[ronno]

It’s not nearly 600$ to replace the back screen. You can’t just replace the glass. You’re basically taking the screen off the phone and putting it on a new one.

Edit: It’s because the internals are attached to the back and not to the screen.

Either way - drop your phone and shatter the back glass (which will happen millions of times) and it's $600 to fix it. And $280 to fix the front screen!!
Poor design/engineering IMO.

I am hoping that some of these stupid repair prices come down due to the slew of class action law suits...

 

[Michael Goff]

Either way - drop your phone and shatter the back glass (which will happen millions of times) and it's $600 to fix it. Poor design IMO.

The internals have to be attached to the front or back. That’s kind of how phones generally work.

 

[ronno]

The internals have to be attached to the front or back. That’s kind of how phones generally work.

Screen used to cost $79 to repair, now it's $300 or $600. DUMB DESIGN.
OR maybe it's just dumb price gouging - just like the $79 battery repair was dumb until they saw the light and reduced it to a reasonable $29.

 

[Michael Goff]

Screen used to cost $79 to repair, now it's $300 or $600. DUMB DESIGN.
OR maybe it's just dumb price gouging - just like the $79 battery repair was dumb until they saw the light and reduced it to a reasonable $29.

Screens never cost 79 to repair. And OLED cost more than LCD anwyway. And I’m telling you it’s been the way where one side is more expensive than the other since the 5S. This isn’t some new thing. And it isn’t bad design.

As for the battery, they’re probably losing money on the repairs. But that’s a better idea to them than more bad PR.

 

[bmark]

Screen used to cost $79 to repair, now it's $300 or $600. DUMB DESIGN.
OR maybe it's just dumb price gouging - just like the $79 battery repair was dumb until they saw the light and reduced it to a reasonable $29.

That's because they decided to boost profit margins. Now you are paying for the BMW/Mercedes Benz repairs on it. I could care less about an all-glass phone, no one sits there and marvels about how amazing it looks.

 

[deferredAnon]

Screen used to cost $79 to repair, now it's $300 or $600. DUMB DESIGN.
OR maybe it's just dumb price gouging - just like the $79 battery repair was dumb until they saw the light and reduced it to a reasonable $29.

Don't worry about that. If X is a bad design, then people won't buy it. And for those who bought it, well, phones are definitely going to drop. I would bubble wrap it.

 

[ronno]

That's because they decided to boost profit margins. Now you are paying for the BMW/Mercedes Benz repairs on it. I could care less about an all-glass phone, no one sits there and marvels about how amazing it looks.

The whole X phone costs ~$350 to make, yet the back panel replacement is $600.

They have also pushed the envelope a bit too far in some other areas - such as the TINY batteries in the 6, 7, 8 and now the flood of law suits.
And then there is the measly 5GB of iCloud storage regardless of how many devices you have! I have around 10 iOS devices and still a measly 5GB of total storage. What gives here?
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Don't worry about that. If it was a bad design, people won't buy it. And for those who bought it, well, phones are definitely going to drop. I would bubble wrap it.

People will find out the hard way when they go in for a repair and their jaw drops when they hear the $600 price. We know the price only because we are Mac nerds wasting time on forums ;-) I would not want to be the in-store Genius who has to mention that price to customers.

 

[GuruZac]

It’s not nearly 600$ to replace the back screen. You can’t just replace the glass. You’re basically taking the screen off the phone and putting it on a new one.

Edit: It’s because the internals are attached to the back and not to the screen.

Perhaps an unnecessary design to do it that way, but I am confident in assuming Apple designed it that way to lessen production costs while knowing they can charge what they’re charging for the inevitable glass back breakages.
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Screens never cost 79 to repair. And OLED cost more than LCD anwyway. And I’m telling you it’s been the way where one side is more expensive than the other since the 5S. This isn’t some new thing. And it isn’t bad design.

As for the battery, they’re probably losing money on the repairs. But that’s a better idea to them than more bad PR.

Apple isn’t doing anything to lose money, we can be sure of that.

 

[mi7chy]

Screen used to cost $79 to repair, now it's $300 or $600. DUMB DESIGN.
OR maybe it's just dumb price gouging - just like the $79 battery repair was dumb until they saw the light and reduced it to a reasonable $29.

Even worse is the screen replacement is $450 for a $500 iPad Pro 10.5. For smart consumers you can buy about seven 2017 Amazon Fire HD 10 tablets for the same money and if one breaks you have six more. No need to feed the crack addiction at Apple.

 

[Baymowe335]

Throttle button isn't coming because we are assuming this was done to diminish effects of degrading batteries. If an option is given, those like us who had no prior shutdown or other battery related issues will question why Apple throttled us initially.

Therefore, I don't think there will be a throttle toggle. I am also now questioning if battery replacement should be done because of Apple's lack of transparency to what causes/initiates throttling and to what degree. If the phone won't last another two years without throttling, I don't think it's worth it.

I hope I am wrong especially seeing that even a US senator is asking about a toggle button, but chances are unlikely.

Weird that quoted me because I didn't say any of that.

There will be no toggle button.
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But, you can assume that everyone that has upgraded to the iOS release in which software power management was introduced, will have this issue. So, yes, everyone (as stated before), once their iPhones reaches the threshold of what is set in software, will experience the Power Management Feature.



I am sure you know how long it takes to do a Full Backup and Restore, taking into account for the size of these phones. I am not saying this won't help some people, as I have seen it has, but I hate getting a new iPhone just because it takes hours to backup and then twice as long to restore (because you have to update the phones iOS first and then restore and then add all your apps, music, etc).

Makes no difference. I have "power management" on my phone and my geekbench results are 100% of what they should be as in many peoples' older models.

The ONLY thing that matters is how many phones actually experience slower performance, which no one knows.
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Everyone’s battery is over 80% capacity on Apple’s worthless testing because the cpu is throttled by 50%. My iPhone 6 plus runs like utter crap on 11.2.2 with the latest bs fixes aka throttling 2.0. I even did a full restore and nothing has changed. Words with friends app doesn’t even load up anymore. Now I’m on the 6-8 year waiting list to get my battery replaced. I bet the iPhone XS comes out before they even get the batteries in stock.

You have no idea about "everyone" in any scenario. Stop riffing.

Your iPhone 6 Plus needs a new battery and it will most likely work fine. If not, you are probably someone suffering from another problem, which again, isn't every phone.

There is no 6-8 year waiting list and you'll get your battery before the next iPhone. Calm down. Your phone is a 3.5 year old model.

 

[bmark]

Weird that quoted me because I didn't say any of that.

There will be no toggle button.
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Makes no difference. I have "power management" on my phone and my geekbench results are 100% of what they should be as in many peoples' older models.

The ONLY thing that matters is how many phones actually experience slower performance, which no one knows.
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You have no idea about "everyone" in any scenario. Stop riffing.

Your iPhone 6 Plus needs a new battery and it will most likely work fine. If not, you are probably someone suffering from another problem, which again, isn't every phone.

There is no 6-8 year waiting list and you'll get your battery before the next iPhone. Calm down. Your phone is a 3.5 year old model.

And you are the authority regarding Apple? Please take a seat and slow your roll. I don't care if my device is almost 4 years old, the device works perfectly fine. Apple decides to throttle the devices without regards to the consquences. You can argue all you want regarding the throttling allegations but 30+ class action suits and US/France officials questioning Apple's deceptive tactics speak for themselves. Apple has done everyone dirty and they will pay for it in the end big time!!

 

[Baymowe335]

And you are the authority regarding Apple? I don't care if my device is almost 4 years old. Not my fault Apple decides to throttle the devices. You can argue all you want regarding the throttling allegations but 30+ class action suits and US/France officials questioning Apple's deceptive tactics speak for themselves. Apple has done everyone dirty and they will pay for it in the end big time!!

No they won't. You have no concrete numbers on how many phones are impacted by the power management and battery degradation is fact of life.

Google Android Bootloop or Android Phone randomly shutting down.

 

[bmark]

No they won't. You have no concrete numbers on how many phones are impacted by the power management and battery degradation is fact of life.

Google Android Bootloop or Android Phone randomly shutting down.

Power management tactics by Apple are fraud in France. They better be ready to pay up for their transgressions!! How do you know Google or Android phones shut down? Where is your proof? Also I can have couple batteries in spare for an Android phone so the battery issue is a non-starter. Keep making up excuses for Apple, you seem to be their defender until the end.

 

[Baymowe335]

Power management tactics by Apple are fraud in France. They better be ready to pay up for their transgressions!! How do you know Google or Android phones shut down? Where is your proof? Also I can have couple batteries in spare for an Android phone so the battery issue is a non-starter. Keep making up excuses for Apple, you seem to be their defender until the end.

I owened Samsung Note that shut down at 50%, constantly. Google it. Widespread problem.

In case you haven’t noticed, most flagship smartphones no longer have user replaceable batteries, so your spare batteries are useless in the new Note,galaxy and Pixel.

 

[SteveJUAE]

To solve an issue that Apple has likely caused you get 1 time offer to buy a reduced price battery valid for a year that's more like 8 months at best, if your lucky

The level and extent of the issue is so diverse they cannot sort out the wheat from the chaff of claims

Plus one of the most sophisticated companies in the world does not know its inventory and causes more inconvenience

Whats next a gift voucher inleau of a new battery to intice more products

By the time this is resolved we will be on round 2 with the IPhone 8 and X

 

[Ramchi]

What about iFixit? Are they taking same amount of time for battery supplies?