Apple Highlights Five Reasons the iPad Pro Can Be Your Next Computer

[HacKage]

89% sure any computer you try to forcibly bend will break. Take a Hammer and bend your MBP to see for yourself

Just tried to bend a MacBook Air with my hands like JerryRigEverything did with the iPad Pro 11", it didn't bend. The iPad Pro doesn't require a hammer, or any crazy amount of force to bend. It is designed with not enough reinforcement and has 2 holes at the weakest point of the chassis. You can make jokes, but that is just pure facts.

 

[gwaizai]

You cannot connect external USB Storage devices, so it can’t replace a computer. The

I'll finish your sentence for you....END.
and i totally agree.

 

[joiwomcow]

Hey Apple, I want to write apps *for* my "computer, *on* my "computer." Can I?

 

[nihil0]

if filesystem was open for normal workflow and would also enable downloading of files from other sources than iTunes, then I would happily got into iPad Pro

 

[DNichter]

PC does whatever iPad does and does it better, iPad can't do all PC does, therefore it cannot replace PC. To claim it can be someone's next computer, Apple claims it CAN be PC replacement. But it is not. This is false advertisement at best.
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I don't know about you. iPad is great for browsing on the internet while you are holding on the hand. It is terrible internet devices, while you put it in a case and connected to a keyboard. You would constantly using your hand to poking the iPad and your arm will be tired very fast. I don't know how can anyone work with iPad while it is in desk, but i do know i can use my laptop quite easily with keyboard and mice. iPad is more or less complement of PC, it never intended to be PC replacement, because it wasn't designed that way in the beginning.

That’s like saying a MacBook isn’t a computer because it can’t do everything a Mac Pro can. Or like saying a MacBook isn’t a computer because it can’t do everything an iPad can. Different use cases, different people, still a computer. That argument is as small minded as it gets.

 

[nia820]

I don't doubt that an iPad can replace a laptop for many people. A lot of people just need to be able to type up documents and occasionally make power points. Which an iPad meets.

However, an iPad is still hindered by iOS. The file system still needs a lot of work. Also not being able to download and instal 3rd party software is a huge issue. You can only use the app store to download applications.

And for me as a teacher there is software ( software such as active inspire) I need for my lessons and plans that aren't available on iOS or android platform. Being the ability to have multiple windows at one time definitely makes my work flow faster. I can't do that on an iPad.

 

[WatchFromAfar]

You don’t need a mouse on the iPad. You use your fingers.

File system? Works perfectly. Like on the Mac.

iPad does nearly everything the Mac does. But it requires a different way of doing it. Something that most people aren’t willing change. So they, like I believe you, will need to constantly find excuses to explain to themselves why they would never change, like the lack of support for the mouse

You know what thing Apple makes that does everything a Mac does?

A Mac. Why would you settle for"nearly everything"?

 

[DNichter]

It’s amusing how worried traditional PC users are that their tired old paradigm is dying.
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You know what thing Apple makes that does everything a Mac does?

A Mac. Why would you settle for"nearly everything"?

Better overall experience. At least that’s why I made the change, plus an iPad does everything I need it to. If I needed more, I’d buy a MacBook. That’s the point iPad users are trying to make here. Not everyone needs a traditional PC and some just prefer an iPad.

 

[Grey Area]

For a community of such smart people (most, I would think), we certainly have a ton of narrow minded people who refuse to acknowledge that the iPad is a computer for some strange reason. If it isn't the right tool for you, I totally get that, but get out of your box a little - your use case is not the same as everyone else's.

I think from a computer science perspective an argument could be made that the iPad with its iOS-imposed restrictions is not Turing-equivalent to a computer, and thus it does not fit the label "computer", or at most it is a computationally lesser category of computers whose capabilities form a proper subset of the capabilities of traditional computers. For example, a computer can simulate an iPad, while the iPad cannot simulate the computer.

That being said, for the average user this may be a technicality without actual relevance. I do think, though, that promoting the iPad as being a computer (rather than, for example, the iPad being an alternative to a computer) is a bit dubious.

 

[WatchFromAfar]

It’s amusing how worried traditional PC users are that their tired old paradigm is dying.
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Better overall experience. At least that’s why I made the change, plus an iPad does everything I need it to, plus some.

No, that's fine. I've been on here before and have heard how you are totally iOS and if it works for you great. The original poster I was replying to had reservations because it does "nearly everything", if you can see drawbacks in iOS over macOS don't go to iOS; why make life hard?

 

[DNichter]

I think from a computer science perspective an argument could be made that the iPad with its iOS-imposed restrictions is not Turing-equivalent to a computer, and thus it does not fit the label "computer", or at most it is a computationally lesser category of computers whose capabilities form a proper subset of the capabilities of traditional computers. For example, a computer can simulate an iPad, while the iPad cannot simulate the computer.

That being said, for the average user this may be a technicality without actual relevance. I do think, though, that promoting the iPad as being a computer (rather than, for example, the iPad being an alternative to a computer) is a bit dubious.

I’m lost. An iPad is a computer, just like the Apple Watch, just like an iMac, just like the iPhone, and just like a Mac Pro. Different use cases and situations for each. Buy what works best for the individual.
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No, that's fine. I've been on here before and have heard how you are totally iOS and if it works for you great. The original poster I was replying to had reservations because it does "nearly everything", if you can see drawbacks in iOS over macOS don't go to iOS; why make life hard?

I’d say probably because that small niche of tasks that may be better suited for a Mac isn’t worth it for that person. There are a few things that aren’t great for me on an iPad (operational tasks), so I stopped doing them.

 

[mazz0]

It can replace "a" Mac or PC for some people. Not every Mac and PC. It doesn't take multiple degrees to figure out that right now Apple would prefer you buy an $8000 iMac Pro, you know, if you'd rather have one

Yeah, but my nine year old iMac runs Xcode just fine, so I'm not likely to upgrade it any time soon. An iPad on the other hand I'll upgrade quite often, and if it ran Xcode then I'd be buying more expensive iPad Pros instead (I might even want the 6GB RAM version). An $8,000 iMac Pro was never on the cards, so Apple aren't making any more money from me by keeping tasks off the iPad, they're just forcing me to use my old Mac instead of my new iPad.

(The above refers to a hypothetical me by the way, obviously as the kind of person who goes on MacRumours forums, the actual me buys the iPad Pro anyway.)
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For example, a computer can simulate an iPad, while the iPad cannot simulate the computer.

Can't it? You can run Windows simulated in javascript in a browser.

 

[jchilton]

I don't understand this constant wanking about "OOoooohhh, it doesn't have a filesystem. OMG, I can't get any work done without a fiiiiiiiiile system." I use my Pro far more often than my desktop and have never found myself saying, "Gosh if only I could just randomly move some files around that would be great." On the rare chance that I do, I save things to iCloud and use the Files app.

 

[Bacillus]

I think from a computer science perspective an argument could be made that the iPad with its iOS-imposed restrictions is not Turing-equivalent to a computer, and thus it does not fit the label "computer", or at most it is a computationally lesser category of computers whose capabilities form a proper subset of the capabilities of traditional computers. For example, a computer can simulate an iPad, while the iPad cannot simulate the computer.
That being said, for the average user this may be a technicality without actual relevance. I do think, though, that promoting the iPad as being a computer (rather than, for example, the iPad being an alternative to a computer) is a bit dubious.

Could it be that Tim gladly turned in Turing to Zuckerberg, the current standard of reality, who fits his purpose better ? Anything that propells people’s desire of being a Pro - in particular FaceBook to run fluffy self-glorification as a free marketing tool - now handles the definition of a Pro device.
Now with 2 billion additional Pro’s, overall buying power will raise to such level that we can afford Tim’s visionary view on the world.
So: Stop the moaning about exorbitant prices.
We should be just grateful with our social upgrade that allows us to contribute to Joni’s 7th Bentley (it seems currently he has only 6 ...)

 

[John Purple]

This is a great discussion. It's like saying a motorcycle is no vehicle because it is not a car. You can't take five people and their luggage on a motorcycle and you will get wet in the rain. On the other hand you will be faster in traffic jams and have more fun in the countryside (provided there is no rain). It all depends. Having said that it is probably a better choice to have a car than a motorcycle if you only have one vehicle as it is a lot more versatile. Here we are with a Mac and an iPad.

But I see the fun of this discussion....

 

[Abazigal]

You know what thing Apple makes that does everything a Mac does?

A Mac. Why would you settle for"nearly everything"?

Plenty of reasons. It’s like I said earlier. Screwdrivers vs hammers. There are plenty of tasks better suited to a tablet form factor but it seems that they get dismissed outright due to all the emphasis on it can’t do (or do as well).

Consider the following tasks.

File management - Dropbox + documents app

Annotating on pdf documents in notability

Editing videos - iMovie, lumafusion, Vee, adobe rush (amongst other apps)

Photography - lightroom (Austin Mann manages this from his iPad Pro)

Image editing - affinity photo, pixelmator, photoshop (soon)

Drawing - too many apps to list. Even that Pennyarcade guy is now drawing his comics on an iPad Pro.

Writing - Ulysses, IA writer, Bear, Byword, Editorial, amongst others

Email (now that document containers are a thing)

Mindmapping - MindNode, omnigraffle

Copied to help with clipboard management

Shortcuts (formerly workflow) - could theoretically automate away cumbersome routines given enough time to experiment.

Then there’s the ergonomics. For example, I can detach the keyboard and lean back or even walk around with the iPad and Pencil. This change in posture gives one a terrific mental energy boost, especially when compared to hunching forward to stare at a screen all day.

Plus, an app filling up the entire screen can help with focus without being distracted by multiple overlapping windows.

A laptop form factor just feels like such a step backwards at times.

 

[George Dawes]

For the ‘work’ I do , the iPad is actually overkill, lol.

Didn’t stop me buying one though

 

[Bacillus]

This is a great discussion. It's like saying a motorcycle is no vehicle because it is not a car. You can't take five people and their luggage on a motorcycle and you will get wet in the rain. On the other hand you will be faster in traffic jams and have more fun in the countryside (provided there is no rain). It all depends. Having said that it is probably a better choice to have a car than a motorcycle if you only have one vehicle as it is a lot more versatile. Here we are with a Mac and an iPad.
But I see the fun of this discussion....

Ah. I knew it was a failed project, but I am ready for Tim to inform us that we’re better off with the AppleCar being a motorcycle...

 

[antonis]

Give iPad the below features the competition has forever:
- A real operating system, with file system etc.
- A mouse and cursor option
- A real keyboard with trackpad and backlit keyboard (no faulty mechanism this time, if possible)

...and then we talk.

 

[barmann]

I’d say probably because that small niche of tasks that may be better suited for a Mac isn’t worth it for that person.

Let's take a step back here ; there are very few tasks an iPad, or any iOS device, can do as well as a traditional computer with a traditional OS .
There are virtually no tasks an iPad can do better , the majority of medium to advanced computing tasks are beyond the competence of any tablet , for reasons explained above .

Tablets don't need a keyboard - that can be very nice . And it's the only reason they exist .

There are a few things that aren’t great for me on an iPad (operational tasks), so I stopped doing them.

Here's the catch - the more your use and workflow depends on or shifts to a tablet, the less computing literate you become .

Because you keep hitting the limitations of a very crude device, and there is no progress possible beyond a certain point .

 

[clarencek]

You folks realize there’s a huge portion of the population that doesn’t understand how a file system works on a computer.

Most people who’s jobs are not computer based would consider an iPad an ideal computer.

I know a twenty something who “doesn’t get computers” - she is a dancer. My mother doesn’t either. They both have iPads as their “computer”.

 

[iPadified]

Great! Another thread comparing apples (iPad) to oranges (MacBook). Note, both are fruits (computers)

It is as fruitful as discussing if MacOS can replace Windows and vice versa.

 

[elvislives]

+ it bends way better than my laptop!

 

[halluxsinister]

More powerful than most computers? HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH good one, Apple.
Can I run my own software on it, or just stuff you "approve"? Then it's already not a real computer. Can it use a mouse? NO? Again, not a real computer. Does it have a headphone jack, so I can use any of my 50 pairs of headphones, wired speakers, etc.? No? Does it use the Lightning jack that's compatible with all the 10 or so cables I have already, or the USB-C crap that I don't have ANY of, because I'm not buying all that stuff ALL OVER AGAIN? Oh, USB-C. Of course. It's simply not a real computer. It's a tablet, and that's it.

I could go on but there's little point. I won't even bother pointing out how badly Apple has screwed up again, in making a portable electronic device that doesn't resist bending easily, leading to catastrophic failure and the destruction of another overpriced Apple toy.

Rated: DO *NOT* BUY. Overpriced, defective-by-design junk.

Apple today shared a new short video focused on the recently released 11 and 12.9-inch iPad Pro models, listing five reasons why the tablets can be your next computer.

Apple's list of reasons why the iPad Pro can replace a computer are as follows:

1. It's more powerful than most computers.
2. It's versatile. It's a scanner, camera, editing suite, notepad, cinema, music studio, book, and a computer.
3. It goes anywhere thanks to LTE.
4. It's as easy as this (with a focus on gestures).
5. It's even better with Apple Pencil.

This is Apple's first ad for the new iPad Pro models, but it has long advertised the iPad Pro as an alternative to a computer. Apple uses the tagline "like a computer unlike any computer," in this ad, which is something new the company has been trying out.

Apple's 11 and 12.9-inch iPad Pro models were first introduced in late October and shipped out in November. The new iPads feature edge-to-edge displays with Face ID and no Home button, powerful A12X processors with performance on par with many Mac notebooks, USB-C to connect to 4K monitors and USB-C accessories, and thinner bodies.

The 11-inch iPad Pro starts at $799 for 64GB of storage, while the 12.9-inch iPad Pro starts at $999, also for 64GB of storage.

Article Link: Apple Highlights Five Reasons the iPad Pro Can Be Your Next Computer

 

[MBAir2010]

wrong, we cannnnnnnnnnnot fix an ipad without a splunger and hair dryer.
[doublepost=1542715658][/doublepost]When hApple opens up their "files" system to non-hApple apps, that might be a small step to considering or broadcast how these feeble tablets might resemble a computer.