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Apple Invites Reporters Into Testing Lab, Details iPhone 6 Plus Durability Tests

RockSpider said:
I wonder how many people admit to doing something wrong when they get caught, I'm pretty sure most deny it.
This is no different to Antenna Gate and the paint falling off the iPhone 5.
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An isolated problem does not mean there is something wrong with the product.

And Apple has more on stakes here rather than lie to public.
 
Piggie said:
It means nothing, zero.

Apple place their device on a test rig they set up to a level they felt was right, they ran the test they felt was right and they felt the results were acceptable.

So what does that tell you?

Nothing.

HTC, Motorolla, Samsung, Sony, could use the same test rig, set it differently with their own different idea on what a pass will be.

Apple can show anything they like. Means nothing.

If it was independently tested to some independent standard that other phones were identically tested to then that means something.
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It will be interesting to see if Consumer Reports contacts an independent lab to test durability of the iPhone 6 and competitive products and then releases the results.
 
diddl14 said:
Truth is that all the other large phones are plastic and plastic is more resisting to bending than aluminium. Has nothing to do with 'truth' but simple facts.
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Those are not facts. Plastic is more prone to bending as aluminum is more resistant to bending. But the plastic is more resilient and usually bends back to shape while aluminum does not.
 
KellydenAdel said:


Ignorant statement indeed.


Formal testing doesnt often replicate real world testing


ALL ENGINEERS know this fact.


wise up.
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Also, the press news usually show surface results from scientific papers. The actual results aren't so easily tangible. Something like

"Curing cancer is to become a reality soon."

Actually is

"A novel [put some bizarre chemical structure here] compound capable of inhibiting [put some bizarre tumor cell structure here] reproduction by blocking [put some bizarre protein here] absorption."
 
I think this scandal will ultimately be good for the industry. This bending issue highlights that lightness and thinness have their limits, and the public will now know that. Not that they didn't before, but now they have a vivid example, and might decide to opt for a phone that looks less likely to bend, or at least be less impressed by advances in thinness with an understanding of the tradeoffs. This might make phone makers less concerned with thinness, which would be good.
 
The only thing this shows is that that apple felt the phone design was strong enough for them to be happy with it.

Nothing more.

Does not mean its a bad phone.

Just means it is up to apples own standards, that's all.
 
testestesla said:
It was about time someone talked about actual engineering procedures. The usual data-less verbal diarrhea was driving me nuts.

I'm a reliability engineer and this type of highly accelerated life testing is at the absolute top of the list in any engineer's design checklist. Design for reliability is up there with design for assembly and manufacturability.

From my perspective, this gives Apple an easy way to boast about their ridiculously well thought out product design.

'Bend-gate' - an easily fixed with just a good dose of honesty. Only if Apple released their warranty Pareto charts...
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So what I haven't seen anyone mention is the most obvious to me... Apple conduct their durability tests with 'cold' phones - they're off and haven't been used. Having a phone in your pocket for a couple of hours will warm the phone up, but more so if someone just finished a session of heavy usage and the phone was hot, puts it in their pocket and sits down... Of course the phone will become more malleable in this state... Did Apple forget to test this scenario and not factor it in.... Oops!
 
KellydenAdel said:
Wise up,


the phone has only been out for a FEW DAYS



Give it a month, then say that again
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It's not a design flaw. Aluminum will bend if you put enough pressure on it, just like any other metal.

People want thinner phones, then let them deal with it. Apple is just giving the public what they want (bigger screen, thinner, better battery life) and this "bendgate" will not affect sales long-term. If it did, Apple would have stopped producing iPhones after the 4.
 
Piggie said:
I actually do calibration in engineering in the real world every day.

I test and check things to official international standards.
I don't make up my own test with my own tolerance and decide if it's ok or not. I pass of fail something based upon standards set in stone that everyone works to.

Without this a test means zero.
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I've worked in a calibration lab myself and bendboy trying to exert the same pressure to all the phones just won't cut it.
 
sofila said:
it usually takes ages (if not never) for Apple to admit some "flaws" and now after 2 days (and 9 customers) they invite reporters to their testing facility for a problem that doesn't exist.

I'm really surprised this time
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They wanted to get BendGate out of the way quick because they know they still have UpdateGate to take care of... :eek:
 
Money where my mouth is

I'm quite pleased with my iPhone 4S. I like how 'German' it feels in my hands.

I used a friend's iPhone 6 today and was impressed with its feel - it is thin, but strong.

I get paid in a few days time - im convinced this is a non-issue...and will buy a 6, hopefully if they have stock at the weekend.

F
 
DakotaGuy said:
It will be interesting to see if Consumer Reports contacts an independent lab to test durability of the iPhone 6 and competitive products and then releases the results.
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I would love to see this, and if I had the money to burn I'd love to do it.

Set up a jig with an adjustable force at the top, check say a dozen various phones for straightness, subject then to the same loading, test for any distortion, increase the force and rerun it.

Keep running the tests and results till you get to virtual destruction and publish independent results.

Open and honest for everyone to see.

I wish someone would do this online and test each new phone and gradually build up a large database.
 
The Adamantium enhanced 6 Plus 's' is expected to undergo even more rigorous testing. (click attached thumbnail for GIF animation)
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KellydenAdel said:
Wise up,


the phone has only been out for a FEW DAYS



Give it a month, then say that again


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Sure, I will bookmark this and wait for another month. If even 1% of total iPhone 6 users complaint that their phones bend, I will admit I was wrong. Fair enough?
 
Piggie said:
I actually do calibration in engineering in the real world every day.

I test and check things to official international standards.
I don't make up my own test with my own tolerance and decide if it's ok or not. I pass of fail something based upon standards set in stone that everyone works to.

Without this a test means zero.
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Please cite the international standards that apply to the tendency of smartphones to bend under stress. If there are none, as I suspect, then Apple could announce how they chose the test conditions that they used, though I doubt that would please everyone.

I suppose that an independent organization could test the iPhone and a number of its competitors, but they would also have to disclose the test conditions.

So, in Apple's current position, what would you do?
 
Piggie said:
I would love to see this, and if I had the money to burn I'd love to do it.

Set up a jig with an adjustable force at the top, check say a dozen various phones for straightness, subject then to the same loading, test for any distortion, increase the force and rerun it.

Keep running the tests and results till you get to virtual destruction and publish independent results.

Open and honest for everyone to see.

I wish someone would do this online and test each new phone and gradually build up a large database.
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I already posted the link, but yes Consumer Reports is going to test it and competitive phones scientifically in their lab for durability and bending. They say it will be happening soon.
 
ksuyen said:
Yeah the real world shows that only 0.00009% iPhone 6 has bend problem. Even if you think Apple lied, it's still won't make it a fact that iPhone 6 has bend problem.
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Real world? No, Apple world.

The flaw is there and has been explained. Just like the antenna issue with the iPhone 4.

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DakotaGuy said:
For those of you who want an independent lab to test the phone for strength it looks like Consumer Reports is planning to do it. This could be interesting one way or the other.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/09/apple-iphone-6-bend-test-preview/index.htm
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I can't wait for the results.
 
FireArse said:
I get paid in a few days time - I'm convinced this is a non-issue...and will buy a 6, hopefully if they have stock at the weekend.

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According to Backwards-Cap Bend Boy, the regular 6 holds up well to bending- it's the 6 plus that's been said to have issues with it.
 
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