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I sold my IPad Pro. It's good at most things and was an awesome consumption device, but for me it was no PC replacement. I just found doing some PC related tasks frustrating beyond belief. For example, why can't I have 2 pages documents open at the same time? How can one import music from ripped CDs without a computer and a subscription to iTunes? Why don't all apps support split view? Using it with a keyboard was nice, but why couldn't I use a mouse too. Gorilla arm anyone? Etc. etc. I'm waiting for Apple to update their desktops this year, but it looks like they are pushing iPhones and iPads instead of desktops. Not surprising as that's where the money is. If they don't come up with a decent update, then I'll consider going the Windows route.
 
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Some marketing genius must have discovered that it's a target demographic they can milk for more money, but to be fair it's been going on for a long time now and not just by Apple. Of course it has the added benefit of being able to pretend it's all done in the name of "diversity" and similar rot, so bonus points there.

Watching American ads, you would think 80% of the population is black. It's weird. Black women are way under-represented (none in those 4 commercials) and black men are way over-represented (4 black men in 4 commercials).

Also just noticed that ALL of the men are black and ALL of the women are white. Apple pushes that like crazy.
 
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Typing . The size of the iPad Pro, makes typing so ackward , iPad Air 2 can be held one had easy.

Surfing the web, iPad Pro is great, typing....ahhhhhrrghh

Interesting. I would imagine it to be easier to type on a 12.9" iPad precisely because the virtual keyboard would be larger and more spacious, plus it has that dedicated number row on top. I am presuming you type on the iPad Pro while it is on your laptop or on a table, rather than you holding the iPad and typing with your thumbs?
 
Interesting. I would imagine it to be easier to type on a 12.9" iPad precisely because the virtual keyboard would be larger and more spacious, plus it has that dedicated number row on top. I am presuming you type on the iPad Pro while it is on your laptop or on a table, rather than you holding the iPad and typing with your thumbs?

The opposite actually I refer to using in bed, held in my hands, and I'm a big bloke.

Do you have one? Pick up a iPad Air 2, holding the iPad in your palms, your thumbs perfectly cover the KB, pick up an iPad Pro, that is not the case , just does not feel natural , typeing is ackward. To type on an iPad Pro naturally you need the attached KB, though in that case the hands assume the natural KB stance where year again you cover the whole KB

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Frustrating is also the damn KB is different between iPad Air v iPad Pro.

I've got so used to using the KB on an iPad after all these years , I am annoyed by the fact it's not consistent, and based on using an iPhone and iPad , the iPad Pro KB is the odd one out. The above shows the frustration . The one thing that annoys the crap out of me is the placement of the emoji key....WTF apple, I constantly hit it trying to type numbers fast.

Do you know what i mean now? Typing should be consistent on all my idevices . So here I am on holidays in Norway and I've taken my iPad Air 2, it's a better experience , and I'm typing this on it.
 
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Any sort of iPad Pro replacing a PC in my workflow is dead to me until Apple introduces some sort of Finder like file system for iOS.
 
Ironically, iPad's biggest competitor is the iPhone Plus. And it does the same basic crap as the iPad Pro while outselling it at an alarming rate. The fate of the iPad is either MacOS'd, or it gets iPod'ed.
 
Weird ads and weak selling points indeed. It's amazing how die hard fans will defend anything, no matter how silly Apple's ad campaigns have gotten over the last few years.

Weird ads don't really get you anywhere - like these Sony ads for their really expensive (at the time) PS3:


PS3's at the time were just status symbols due to their high price.

Maybe that's what Apple wants with the iPad Pro?
 
People have been saying that from years...

Apple keeps making money than the 2 next biggest companies combined.

Apple is "trying desperately", then how about YouTube Red? How about Google Play Music?

People have not been saying "end of on-ground networks" for years. No matter what way you spin it , at this point once iPhone declines and is seen as old by their customers...Apl has no plan for that. Its a decade old and is in fact a glorified touch iPod with LTE that's even older. Look AOL still exists and has customers, they overpay..so perhaps that is the path Apl takes.
 
Apple needs to differentiate the ipad Pro for creative types as the wacom killer of choice. Marketing as 'better than a computer' is a catch-all Balmer tactic that has no basis in reality.
 
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I am irritated that people seem to be trying to force their own likes and dislikes on everyone else, and making the general tone of the forums here that much more toxic and hostile in the process.

When people ask me whether they should get an iPad (I am the Apple / iPad guy in my workplace), I don't tell them to get one simply because I own one and use it heavily. It is because I have used it extensively (this is my third iPad) that I am intimately familiar with its strengths and its limitations and I am keenly aware that my years of experience in making the iPad work for me is not so readily transferable to other people in such a short period of time. I will discuss with them what it is they want to do on the device and together, we decide if the iPad is indeed the best fit for them. And if they do decide to get an iPad, they have my personal assurance that I am always available as tech support and for advice on apps and workflows, to the best of my limited ability.

The iPad can work, but you must want to make it work, and be willing to not only tolerate, but also embrace the many idiosyncrasies of iOS and the iPad's hardware in general. Do this, and the iPad can be a better mobile computing experience than many a laptop. Fight it every step of the way and you will loathe the experience with every diver of your body.

Likewise, yes, there are things the iPad still can't do, but it's not the neutered Facebook / Netflix machine everyone here is dismissing it outright as.

What I want and hope to see is more robust and objective discussion on the respective pros and cons of the iPad, not people dismissing it outright. This, I feel, is doing the iPad a major disservice, and this, I will continue to fight and speak out against.

Talk to me once a file manager is added to ios for ipads. Until then it's a glorified toy.
 
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I agree, as long as Microsoft does not ship a full featured Office to the iPad.

And I don't understand, why Apple does not use that "Vacuum" to create a fully featured iWorks competitor...
The value of office lies partially in its apps--but also largely in its universal acceptance. Word amd Excel are the lingua fanca of enterprise and anyone doing business with enterprise
 
Do people really still frequently get viruses in 2017? I haven't heard someone say that in years.
After Microsoft fixed up security issues in the move to 64 bit Windows, mostly killed IE, and built-in anti-virus you've really got to be trying hard.
 
Talk to me once a file manager is added to ios for ipads. Until then it's a glorified toy.

Dropbox and documents.

I don't understand this obsession with file managers. Feels like a relic from the days of manually resizing app windows and hierarchical file directories.
 
Dropbox and documents.

I don't understand this obsession with file managers. Feels like a relic from the days of manually resizing app windows and hierarchical file directories.

and how do you pass multiple files and folders from one app to another?
 
and how do you pass multiple files and folders from one app to another?

Well, for starters, all my files are stored in Dropbox and synced to my iPad via the documents app.

For teaching, I download the documents I need to Notability directly from Dropbox itself. On occasion, I scan a document with Scanbot and pass it to notability via the share-sheet extension.

Email apps now allow me to attach files directly from within the apps themselves.

Zipped files can be managed from within the documents app.

Can you list a few scenarios where I would need to be passing files and folders from one app to another on a regular basis?
 
Can you list a few scenarios where I would need to be passing files and folders from one app to another on a regular basis?

Do you have an imagination?

For example I downloaded 25 movie files from an eLearning platform with a download manager. Tell me your approach how to move efficiently the selected movies to my application VLC?
 
I wonder what Apple's vision is for external displays on iOS. I can't imagine any way it could work and not be awful, but it's an important nut to crack - I use 3 24" monitors at work, and even if all my application needs were met, my need to see many things at once would not be.
 
Do you have an imagination?

For example I downloaded 25 movie files from an eLearning platform with a download manager. Tell me your approach how to move efficiently the selected movies to my application VLC?

Assuming you have downloaded them to Documents, simply select the file and use the share sheet extension to open them in the VLC player app?

Alternatively, you can open the files directly from within the VLC player app itself.
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What exactly is the problem here?
 
I have the 9.7" iPad Pro, and my rMPB...

And in terms of IO, in terms of what I want to do with my devices, there is no difference. I could easily do on my iPad what I do on my Mac.

However, the question here shouldn't be about hardware... The iPad hardware is sound, and in terms of ports... Well, that varies from person to person. But I am the sort of person who has everything in iCloud Drive; I haven't used the USB ports on my MBP in a long time (read a couple of years).

So you ask, why do I still maintain two devices? Because of the software, like other posters have said, why can't I open two Pages documents side by side? Why can't I have all apps run side by side? Why can apps like YouTube not obey PiP mode when you can do it on the Mac? Why are things like a proper version of photoshop not available (and again this is not a hardware issue)?

I feel that the most limiting thin about the iPad Pro is iOS. It hasn't changed or adapted enough to take advantage of the hardware. Now I am not saying stick MacOS on it, because that would be terrible, but there must be something they can do to advance usability past emojis, bigger keyboard, etc.
I agree, and I think what people are looking for is an iPad using a touch friendly macOS with X86 application support. So in reality, we just want a Mac tablet. The Surface Pro has almost got it right, and if Apple could do that in a better way then everybody would be happy.
 
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Assuming you have downloaded them to Documents, simply select the file and use the share sheet extension to open them in the VLC player app?

Alternatively, you can open the files directly from within the VLC player app itself.
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What exactly is the problem here?

I don't want to do this step 25 times. It is a stupid task.
 
Use your brain cells, people...

iPad Pro sales are lagging, which is why Apple is advertising it. You don't advertise something if sales are great. If you are going to advertise the iPad Pro, what features are you going to promote that will appeal to the majority of buyers? Not the pencil. Not the larger screen. Not touch.

As far as the ads themselves go, they are great. Short, to the point, memorable, and much more like the beloved Apple from Jobs' days. Those of you squawking about specs, Apple never advertised or sold on specs. These ads are consistent with that POV. The use of Twitter is obviously targeting millennials. It's alive enough to have played an integral role in getting one of the worst presidents in US history elected.

The fact that Apple's stock price is at an all time high should NOT be a source of comfort or pride. Stock prices fall when companies take risks, but rise when there is stability. The take-away here is that Apple is not taking any risks, not rocking the world with something new and untested. In other words, zero innovation coming out of a company that was built on it. Most of Apple's innovation came when it was struggling, when it had low market share, and when it was trying to prove its relevance. Now it's a behemoth, the stock price reflects that, and Apple is acting appropriately.

As far as Tim Cook is concerned, he is a great manager. What he is doing is managing Apple, steering the ship so to speak. He is not a product visionary. He is not a Steve Jobs who could look at an idea and tell if it's good or not. He relies on those around him to tell him those things. He forms business units and product teams, his world is a flowchart of reporting structure, and he makes decisions based on what those around him advise. He does nothing on gut or instinct because he has no guts or instincts. He is like the 2x4s in your walls. He holds the house up and gives it structure, but has no ability to make your house inviting to others.

The old Apple is gone and we need to get used to it. Mac Pro is dead. iMac is dead. Peripherals are dead. And MacBook Pro will be dead once Apple can find a legitimate way to bridge the laptop and tablet that also matches up with its established supply chain. The only innovation is going to come from those who leave Apple to form their own little startups to challenge the new status quo.

Apple is the new Microsoft.
 
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