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I don't have a data cap so bring on 4k content on iTunes. Only thing that's making me a bit uneasy is that I pre-ordered quite a few movies last month and I'd hate to see them introduce 4k, forcing me to double dip or pay an upgrade fee, right after the movies unlock for me.

Now if they somehow manage to convince pubs to hand out 4k versions for free... who am I kidding, not happening I guess. Will most definitely get the new ATV though, can never have enough ATVs in your home.
 
What does OLED have to do with 3D? 3D is about special relations and immersion. OLED adds nothing to that.

OLED 3d doesn't have ghosting and crosstalk that occurs on LED/LCD. LG also uses passive glasses which are cheap and light compared to active shutter and allow a brighter picture than active. I was not a 3D person, but getting an LG C6 changed my mind. It's pretty cool, actually better than in a theater, and I believe if that was the 3D implementation everyone had gotten in the home, it would not have died.

As for Apple updating the Apple TV to 4K HDR, all I have to say is finally! I have Apple TVs on both of my sets and don't use them for things like Netflix because they lack 4K and HDR.
 
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I don't have a data cap so bring on 4k content on iTunes. Only thing that's making me a bit uneasy is that I pre-ordered quite a few movies last month and I'd hate to see them introduce 4k, forcing me to double dip or pay an upgrade fee, right after the movies unlock for me.

Now if they somehow manage to convince pubs to hand out 4k versions for free... who am I kidding, not happening I guess. Will most definitely get the new ATV though, can never have enough ATVs in your home.
Yes data cap must be something unique for USA ,but hey they have cheap gas..:D
 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Defense. Defense.

Once again, I'll point out that at the time of the launch of :apple:TV4, just about EVERYTHING else Apple makes had already embraced 4K... just this ONE thing clung to 1080p. In fact, in the very same session that :apple:TV4 launched, Apple had just touted the incredible 4K capabilities of another Apple product.

It's funny how quick we are to rationalize why this ONE product does NOT have 4K but you don't see such rationale being blasted at Apple for embracing it in all the other products. Does it really make little sense here, in this ONE thing... but makes perfect sense there, in everything else? Or does it make sense there because Apple has chosen to have it there... and it makes no sense here yet because Apple has chosen NOT to have it here yet?

Answer carefully. Conceptually in just a month or two, Apple may roll out a 4K :apple:TV5. If it makes no sense to embrace 4K in this thing today, it probably should still make no sense barely 4 or 8 weeks from now. Seems a passionate argument against it today should have one back ripping into Apple a few weeks from now for embracing it then. Of course, we know that won't happen. Instead, it will be "shut up and take my money."

And it wasn't about Apple being on the cutting edge. They were pretty much already LAST at that point too. Of the major players, who did NOT have a 4K STB at the time?

Furthermore, Apple had already rationalized h.265 BEFORE :apple:TV4 as the FaceTime codec. Apparently, the "cost benefit analysis" and stars aligning justified it being used there?

And no, there is not a ton of 4K content and I'm certainly not remotely implying 4K is everywhere. As I've shared many times before on this topic, hardware must lead. Put a bunch of 8K STBs in homes and some Studio will be tempted to roll out some 8K to see if they can make a profit. If they do, more 8K will quickly follow. It never makes sense for software products to be everywhere before there is much hardware on which that software can play. If we wish to make the argument that software must be everywhere first, there's not a single app in the iPhone app store yet exclusively for iPhone 8's capabilities, so perhaps iPhone 8 should wait until "everything" in the iOS store is already iPhone 8 upgraded before they roll out that new hardware? Hardware always leads.

If the software is not quite there at launch, it catches up. It never, NEVER works the other way.

I think you're making this into something a lot more complicated than it needs to be.

The ATV4 didn't have 4K because it wasn't something Apple felt consumers wanted 2 years ago, and the evidence is there to support that by way of little to no 4K media nor TV's. Yea, the iPhone 6S launched with 4K the same year, but I'd tout that more of a check against Android devices than anything else. The average iPhone user has no idea if they shoot their videos in 4K or 1080p.

The cost to build an ATV4 that could render 4K without performance loss would have been higher, as that would have required more powerful hardware. From a business perspective, it doesn't make sense to reduce profits for a feature, which at the time, didn't add value to their typical consumer. I'm sure there was someone out there that spent tens of thousands of dollars for brand new 4K TV's in each room of their home, but Apple was okay with forgoing the sale of that customer.

People will whine and moan about how Apple should do X, Y, or Z, but at the end of the day, Apple is a business that owes no one anything other than its stockholders.
 
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Great excuses that sound so good.

But let's correct a few erroneous- or misleading- statements...

First, Apple was already well into 4K offerings BEFORE :apple:TV4 rolled out. It was not new to Apple with the launch of the "4". In fact, it was already the LAST tangible product in the lineup still not embracing 4K in some way.

The greater cost argument always sounds so good but in reality, every other major STB maker was already offering 4K STBs for substantially less than :apple:TV costs. Given Apple's much greater muscle in the hardware area, I have to believe that Apple could innovate some way to include 4K in their STB too. Or shall we argue that Roku, Amazon, etc hardware engineers are just so much smarter than Apple and/or Roku, Amazon, etc are just so much more capable in procuring 4K playback hardware than Apple, etc? Of course that's nonsense. Apple simply CHOSE not to make the "4" have 4K playback hardware... just as they clung to 720p hardware until well after pretty much everyone else had moved on to 1080p.

As to the lack of 4K content: as has been offered many times before on that argument: it makes zero sense to roll out software for sale before there is hardware on which to play it. Hardware must lead. Wave the magic wand today and create 4K versions of EVERYTHING in the iTunes store for a 4K:apple:TV. How much revenue can be made on all of that? Not one dollar. Why not? Because hardware must lead.

Note that the iOS App store lacks even one app that exclusively exploits whatever will be unique in the iPhone 8. So since such software is not already abundantly available in the iOS store, perhaps we should argue against the launch of any new iPhone hardware? Of course not. That's stupid as soon as it is read. We all know that hardware advances rolls out from Apple and then the software "catches up." This product is no different... but some of us sure pretend that it is.

Had the :apple:TV4 launched with 4K capabilities, it would still play everything in the iTunes store to it's fullest... even if there was nothing for sale or rent in the store that was 4K. And, if so, people could have shot their own using Apple hardware being pitched with 4K capabilities. Some podcasts would have probably already gone 4K. 4K stuff on Netflix & YouTube would have a "just works" way to play in the Apple garden. And some studio would have been tempted to test some 4K content. If they made a profit with it, they would do more. And competitors would notice and roll out their own. That's how it works.

:apple:TV4 launched with only a handful of unique apps. Software developers saw profit opportunities and made new apps to add to that mix. More followed. iPhone launched with no third party apps or an app store. Then Apple created a way for apps to be offered & sold and look at how much software is in the iOS store now. Imagine how different it would be if Apple decided the store had to be loaded with such software BEFORE rolling out any hardware to play it. Imagine the lack of incentive to invest in creating a bunch of software that can't be purchased or used by anyone until another company gets around to rolling out some hardware that can actually run that software.
 
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And Amazon is still not on Apple TV, although it will be soon.

It is getting there. Mid-2017 seems like the appropriate time for Apple to make the move. Mid-2015 was not.

This.

I bought a 4K TV in the summer of 2015. I soon regretted it, as there was hardly any 4K media for consumption. I took it back within the return window and bought myself a nice 1080p TV for the time being.

But this spring was when all the 4K pieces settled into place (HDMI 2.0b, HDR10, etc). It's now a very good time to upgrade. This news pretty much seals the deal for me, as I have really enjoyed the ATV4. I'll pass it down to my parents when I buy the 4K version. :)
 
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Apple is like the last company on earth to support 4k. I thought they would be among the first.

Why would you think that? You know Apple is notoriously late but do things better. I think the delay of releasing 4K content from Apple has to do with their newest h.265 they recently announced. Now that the codec is ready they will begin prepping for 4K distribution.
 
Let me put it another way... Many 4K streaming services are comparable to good 1080p. I think it quite probable that if the bitrate for that streaming was focused on the quality of the pixels rather than the number of them, the image could be just as good. If that is the case, the 4K isn't meaningful (an important word I used in my original post).

The question is not if the iTunes 4K is superior to iTunes 1080p, it is if the 4K delivers something significantly better than could be achieved with just the extra bitrate used.

I hope the iTunes 4K will be the best streaming option, but am not prepared to make a leap of faith because they were not as strong in HD as they were in SD. I'm hoping that trend does not continue to UHD.

Yes but you're still making the same argument. Why does a 1080p get the bump in bitrate while 4K does not? That's how this particular argument always works. The best quality 1080p is indeed going to look superior to gimped 4K. And the best quality 720p is going to look superior to gimped 1080p. And the best quality DVD render is going to look superior to gimped 720p. And we can work this right down to where we might argue that the best quality VHS is superior to gimped 4K. So per that, jettison all digital options and go back to VHS???

Back before Apple rolled out the 1080p :apple:TV3, people were doing the same thing: arguing that the best quality 720p will look superior to an overly compressed 1080p. Of course it will. That wasn't an apples-to-apples comparison either. But why did what Apple did not have for sale yet have to get the disadvantaged compression in that hypothetical comparison? And so...

Why does 4K have to be gimped? Whatever advance/advantage we want to speculatively offer to improve 1080p should be applicable to 4K too. OR in other words, 4K doesn't automatically have to roll out in some inferior way in support of this argument. If we want to imagine a maxed-out 1080p source, why can't we imagine a maxed-out 4K source... or disc vs. disc or stream vs. stream... but all with the supplier of the video caring as much about the quality of video in both formats rather than arbitrarily trying to disadvantage the new before it's even come to market.

On a personal level, if you are happy with 1080p, note that 4K:apple:TV doesn't force anything on you. In fact, hardware capable of more is simply going to play 1080p (or 720p or SD) files to the max. If bitrate is a big thing for you, better hardware will likely be able to handle higher bitrates for 1080p too. If so, rips from Blu Ray can probably be done at higher quality than can be done now. So, with better hardware, you may actually get something towards what you appear to want: Apple hardware that can play 1080p at a higher bit rate for a better-quality picture. And those who want to play 4K can get what they want too.
 
Netflix and Amazon Video have loads of original content at 4k resolution. If I understand correctly there is even more content using HDR.

There are something like 55 4K titles on Amazon and around 125 on Netflix. Compared to the number of HD movies they carry, I don't know if that qualifies as "loads?" Although Netflix had like 12 4K movies maybe a year ago.
 
3D is dead. It's not an advertised feature anymore. 4K and HDR is where it's at. But, you can watch 3D movies from an AppleTV... it has to be a split-screen mp4/m4v that the TV interprets as 3D. I have a few movies loaded into iTunes in 3D, but I never watch them.

3d is dead for now. I think 3d will make a big comeback when they have perfected 3d right off the monitor. This is up to people who builds screen technology. I’m sure Samsung, Sony, LG and Dolby has some stuff in the labs. It’s probably far from ready though. Once we can walk into Best Buy and buy a tv that can produce 3d with some nice depth right off the screen without wearing those stupid glasses it’ll take off again. Or they can take it up a notch an use VR googles for 3d movies. The processing technology, high resolution images and enveloping feel VR gives when wearing it, will definitely make the 3d experience way better. But the problem is getting everyone to buy a 3d tv and a few goggles which isn’t cheap.
 
Little late to this game. But better than never. I still find it amusing, all the people that say you can't see the difference unless you have a large screen. Yet if you go to other unrelated posts on the upgrades of the iPad, Macs, MacBooks and phones to Retina displays and its all the rave. Now is only the would adopt high-resolution Audio please. Storage and memory is no longer a barrier.
 
I'm excited too, but WWDC, Apple's developer conference happens once a year, in June. The September/October events always have unique names.
[doublepost=1501330496][/doublepost]Tim Cook's last line in the tiny spot carved out for Apple TV at WWDC was something to the effect of, "we'll have more to talk about with Apple TV later this year." That wasn't idle chit-chat, their keynotes are planned down to the second. WWDC is focused on developers, and it would have been difficult to shoehorn much more into the keynote. They talked about the improved codec support and such because those are developer-relevant issues. I expect they will, indeed, have a lot more to say about the consumer-oriented aspects of the Apple TV this fall.
So in other words, they had the new codecs ready but the catalog and Apple TV weren't ready yet. I can buy that.
 
3d is dead for now. I think 3d will make a big comeback when they have perfected 3d right off the monitor. This is up to people who builds screen technology. I’m sure Samsung, Sony, LG and Dolby has some stuff in the labs. It’s probably far from ready though. Once we can walk into Best Buy and buy a tv that can produce 3d with some nice depth right off the screen without wearing those stupid glasses it’ll take off again. Or they can take it up a notch an use VR googles for 3d movies. The processing technology, high resolution images and enveloping feel VR gives when wearing it, will definitely make the 3d experience way better. But the problem is getting everyone to buy a 3d tv and a few goggles which isn’t cheap.

3D is indeed dead at the moment. And although I've never been personally attracted to the technology, 4K apparently does make quite a positive difference for passive 3D viewing, not to mention VR. Both are technology ahead of their time, dependent on hardware that couldn't/can't fully realize the idea. When the 4K market has matured (and 8K, eventually) we may very well see the return of 3D.
 
OLED 3d doesn't have ghosting and crosstalk that occurs on LED/LCD. LG also uses passive glasses which are cheap and light compared to active shutter and allow a brighter picture than active. I was not a 3D person, but getting an LG C6 changed my mind. It's pretty cool, actually better than in a theater, and I believe if that was the 3D implementation everyone had gotten in the home, it would not have died.

As for Apple updating the Apple TV to 4K HDR, all I have to say is finally! I have Apple TVs on both of my sets and don't use them for things like Netflix because they lack 4K and HDR.
Have to say that the LG oled opened my eyes here so to speak. It is stunning the on this set. Fingers crossed for the future.
 
I still find it amusing, all the people that say you can't see the difference unless you have a large screen.

These same people said the same thing during the HD transition, especially once 1080p and blu-rays were gaining. "You can't tell the difference between 1080p and 720p/1080i unless you have a big TV..." BS. But nice way to make yourself feel better because you don't want to upgrade.

Now is only the would adopt high-resolution Audio please. Storage and memory is no longer a barrier.

Agreed. But a lot of that depends on the quality of the player as well. Hi-res music on a phone would sound better than non hi-res, but on a player actually designed for the task the tracks can sing. I picked up a Sony Hi-res player last year and it's night and day difference between anything on Apple Music/Spotify.
 
Yes but you're still making the same argument. Why does a 1080p get the bump in bitrate while 4K does not? That's how this particular argument always works. The best quality 1080p is indeed going to look superior to gimped 4K. And the best quality 720p is going to look superior to gimped 1080p. And the best quality DVD render is going to look superior to gimped 720p. And we can work this right down to where we might argue that the best quality VHS is superior to gimped 4K. So per that, jettison all digital options and go back to VHS???

Back before Apple rolled out the 1080p :apple:TV3, people were doing the same thing: arguing that the best quality 720p will look superior to an overly compressed 1080p. Of course it will. That wasn't an apples-to-apples comparison either. But why did what Apple did not have for sale yet have to get the disadvantaged compression in that hypothetical comparison? And so...

Why does 4K have to be gimped? Whatever advance/advantage we want to speculatively offer to improve 1080p should be applicable to 4K too. OR in other words, 4K doesn't automatically have to roll out in some inferior way in support of this argument. If we want to imagine a maxed-out 1080p source, why can't we imagine a maxed-out 4K source... or disc vs. disc or stream vs. stream... but all with the supplier of the video caring as much about the quality of video in both formats rather than arbitrarily trying to disadvantage the new before it's even come to market.

On a personal level, if you are happy with 1080p, note that 4K:apple:TV doesn't force anything on you. In fact, hardware capable of more is simply going to play 1080p (or 720p or SD) files to the max. If bitrate is a big thing for you, better hardware will likely be able to handle higher bitrates for 1080p too. If so, rips from Blu Ray can probably be done at higher quality than can be done now. So, with better hardware, you may actually get something towards what you appear to want: Apple hardware that can play 1080p at a higher bit rate for a better-quality picture. And those who want to play 4K can get what they want too.

I don't think you are writing this to me specifically, but I agree with that it doesn't have to be low quality.

My frustration is that no service ever really bumped the quality of 1080p even as broadband matured. The file size will go up for 4K download... I'd love to see a 1080p option at that larger file size as well.

All of the services currently aim for the lowest they can get away with at the designated resolution.

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As a filmmaker, I'd also like to see Apple drop DRM from purchased movies. The first torrents of my movie originated from iTunes anyway and popped up within an hour of release. Just as they dropped DRM for music, it is more than time for movies. If someone buys my movie at full price and wants to put it on a thumb drive to give to a friend or two, have at it and I'd be so thankful for the purchase. Most wouldn't see it, but I find that entirely different than the hundreds of thousands of people pirating that movie. That's organic sharing between friends and piracy is really just a free marketplace. One is great for word of mouth and feels like a gift, the other happens in a vacuum... alone and with a feeling of entitlement. The latter is happening no matter what, I just wish Apple would let the former happen as well. I call out Apple specifically because 70% of digital sales happen in iTunes.
 
HD films take ages to download and fill up my hard drive. 4K will be worse. I'm going back to physical discs.
 
I’ll be first in line for an Apple TV with 4K capabilities. I cannot understand why it’s taken them so long!
 
As a filmmaker, I'd also like to see Apple drop DRM from purchased movies. The first torrents of my movie originated from iTunes anyway and popped up within an hour of release. Just as they dropped DRM for music, it is more than time for movies.
Just as with music, I believe the power to do this lies in the hands of the studios, just as it did in the hands of the music companies - IIRC, Jobs wanted unencumbered music from the start, building in a DRM system was a concession to get the music companies to go along with Jobs' hairbrained scheme to sell music online (it'll never work, CDs will be around forever, plus only pirates use digital music files).

Then, after it turned out that not only would regular people actually would pay for music in digital formats (if it was convenient), but doing so was immensely popular, the music companies used DRM as a weapon against Apple - they were worried that Apple was becoming too powerful in music distribution, so they started letting Amazon and others sell music without DRM, but not Apple - leading to a predictable backlash against Apple by people complaining that Apple's DRM was unfair, pointing to Amazon/etc. saying "see, they can do it, why doesn't Apple? Apple is unfair!" (Apple eventually got DRM dropped in a deal that included moving from 128kbps to 256kbps, and, in turn, giving the music companies 3 pricing tiers for songs and more control over making some songs - or entire albums - be "album only" purchases.)

There's a popular narrative that Apple "destroyed" the music industry with iTunes - I see a different angle: the music industry was being eaten by online mp3 piracy, with tons of their most lucrative demographic (college-ish aged people) gleefully downloading everything for free rather than buying CDs (I was working for the networking department of a university at the time and we were watching this happen around us), and the music industry's response was to look for ways to make unrippable CDs and run "piracy is bad" marketing campaigns, basically closing their eyes and putting their fingers in their ears and going, "LA LA LA LA!" Their few timid forays into selling digitally were awful (systems that involved deactivating music on one device before allowing you to listen on/download to another device, along with a different system for/from each different music company). Steve Jobs saw a way to re-channel that pent-up demand for digital-format music into a big money-maker (and vehicle to sell iPods), and lobbied the music companies to: a) let him try, and b) do it mostly on his terms, which were aimed at having a really simple message to sell to consumers: "every song is available individually, every song is 99 cents, albums are $9.99, and you can put the music on any supported device (at that point basically iPods, Macs and PCs) and listen on any of them whenever you want without going through silly activation dances". It was more or less Steve as Schwarzenegger in Terminator 2 reaching out his hand to the music industry's terrified Sarah Conner, and saying, "come with me if you want to live!" And in accepting his hand, instead of crashing and burning, the industry (continued to) make a lot of money - perhaps not as much as if everyone had given up on this silly digital music fad and instead continued to buy CDs in order to get the one song they wanted (what the industry really wanted), but the reality was, that future, which the industry wanted so much, wasn't going to happen either way. Apple didn't kill the previous enormous profit margins of the music industry, technology did - Apple gave them a path through the destruction.

(Music streaming on the other hand - a game Apple got into quite late - I see as quite harmful to the industry: if it had been kept as radio station analogs, where you pay/subscribe and they play music on a theme, "college radio", "classic rock", whatever, with the selection/order chosen by a DJ, then it would have served as an hours-long advertisement/inducement for buying music, just as radio has done for 50+ years; when they allowed Spotify/etc to let people play anything they wanted on-demand, it became a substitute for buying music, an unlimited jukebox of all music for $10/month - bargain price for consumers, terrible deal for music companies and artists, who should never have allowed that to happen - they had the licensing reins and didn't shut it down. Now it's here and now people believe that unlimited access to all recorded music is only worth $10 a month, when the target demographic might have spent many times that every month to buy songs/albums.)

A bunch of the movie companies buy into the "Apple destroyed the music industry" narrative quite thoroughly, and they dig in their heels, and say, "we're not going to let them do that to us!" And... that is why controls are tighter on movies than on music, from iTunes, and why movie DRM isn't likely to go away any time soon. Or at least that's my read of the situation.
 
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Will be dead on arrival if they cannot provide us with a subscription model. Purchasing movies individually off iTunes is a real pain in the ass, even more so with Netflix & Co. striving.
Netflix is different. The selection is a lot more limited.
[doublepost=1501356470][/doublepost]Well, I've been out of the loop. I thought they've had 4K support for a year or two. I mean, why not?
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As a filmmaker, I'd also like to see Apple drop DRM from purchased movies. The first torrents of my movie originated from iTunes anyway and popped up within an hour of release. Just as they dropped DRM for music, it is more than time for movies. If someone buys my movie at full price and wants to put it on a thumb drive to give to a friend or two, have at it and I'd be so thankful for the purchase. Most wouldn't see it, but I find that entirely different than the hundreds of thousands of people pirating that movie. That's organic sharing between friends and piracy is really just a free marketplace. One is great for word of mouth and feels like a gift, the other happens in a vacuum... alone and with a feeling of entitlement. The latter is happening no matter what, I just wish Apple would let the former happen as well. I call out Apple specifically because 70% of digital sales happen in iTunes.
Yeah, DRM is an unnecessary hassle that has screwed me over many times. I just want to put movies on a thumb drive or SD card and watch them offline. I've got a few devices and don't want to deal with authorization, which in theory shouldn't be a problem but in practice always leads to glitches on their part or mistakes on my part. I've even had issues connecting an Apple TV to my parents' older TV because of failing HDCP authorization (stupid because pirates can easily bypass that crap, as we did later), and I ended up having no choice but to pirate something I just bought.
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You've obviously never seen 4K.
You've obviously never seen overly compressed 4K video, or video that's high-bitrate but has noise.
 
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I don't think you are writing this to me specifically, but I agree with that it doesn't have to be low quality.

My frustration is that no service ever really bumped the quality of 1080p even as broadband matured. The file size will go up for 4K download... I'd love to see a 1080p option at that larger file size as well.

All of the services currently aim for the lowest they can get away with at the designated resolution.

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As a filmmaker, I'd also like to see Apple drop DRM from purchased movies. The first torrents of my movie originated from iTunes anyway and popped up within an hour of release. Just as they dropped DRM for music, it is more than time for movies. If someone buys my movie at full price and wants to put it on a thumb drive to give to a friend or two, have at it and I'd be so thankful for the purchase. Most wouldn't see it, but I find that entirely different than the hundreds of thousands of people pirating that movie. That's organic sharing between friends and piracy is really just a free marketplace. One is great for word of mouth and feels like a gift, the other happens in a vacuum... alone and with a feeling of entitlement. The latter is happening no matter what, I just wish Apple would let the former happen as well. I call out Apple specifically because 70% of digital sales happen in iTunes.

If you are wanting to chase quality, my suggestion is make your own files. What streams from various services tends to be well below the capabilities of the hardware. I buy the discs and make my own files. Thus file sizes are much larger than iTunes file sizes because, conceptually, I'm using less compression than iTunes is using (which can have valid counterpoint that iTunes conversions are from superior quality master files). And this concept applies to 1080p or 4K.

However, if you don't want to make your own, 1080p files sizes = 4K file sizes is again just giving 1080p the advantage. Basically, that's putting less compression on the 1080p video vs. the 4K option. So, my counter to this idea is to chase better quality on BOTH versions.

Also note that at least in Apple's case, 4K will probably come in h.265 format which is spun as delivering the same quality in about half the file size space. Since Apple will probably preserve backwards compatibility with existing and past :apple:TV hardware, I'm guessing that 1080p and lower files will continue to be available in the store in h.264 while 4K will be h.265 (which also supports Apple's argument for upgrading to the "5").

So for quality hounds like me- and apparently you- h.265 adds an intriguing wrinkle to this question. For example, if one strives to have a less compressed (larger file size) of 1080p in h.264 vs. a less compressed (correspondingly larger file size) of 4K in h.265, there's good potential for visible quality gains. OR, perhaps h.265 can indeed offer 4K in corresponding file sizes (either current or the desired better quality) and potentially still deliver more decompressed detail because h.265 makes up the difference.

That is just speculation and we'll need to see if it comes out like that but based on all I've seen & heard, the potential is there. Nevertheless, in pursuit of high(er) quality myself, I still envision buying 4K discs and making my own instead of hoping compression decisions made by other people is 'good enough' for my own tastes.
 
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Apologies, clicked like on the he above post by mistook. Just reading it is all, iPad fu not much.
 
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You don't understand how retail works. Shoppers enter seeing 4K TVs for only $800 but choose the $500 1080p TV because it's cheap and on sale. That represents about 75% of all TV buyers.

And you don't understand the prices listed in Wal-Mart.

If they are choosing the $500 TV, they ARE getting a 4K TV.
 
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