Do you own movies bought on iTunes (or other digital platform)? I thought we're only buying a licence that allows us to watch the content as long as the platform holder allows it.
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Apple Listing Select Movies as 4K and HDR in iTunes Purchase History
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I don't - I buy physical media, so I don't have to worry about what either the platform holder or the movie studio wants to get stupid.
Yea, technically, its just a license, you're right. My purchases are only from iTunes.
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Yes, because the Apple TV 3rd generation was only sold in 720p and then later in 1080p on the 4th generation. All previous purchases at 720p were upgraded to 1080p free of charge.
And you just proved my point about 3D in the Home. 3D TVs were a gimmick.
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Why are you waiting for Apple? PS Vue, Hulu Live, YouTube TV, Sling, DirecTV Now are all available now on the Apple TV.
I just have a PC running Windows for media. Literally everything supports it without hassle, so it's the best. Apple TV was wasting too much of my time on BS.
Yes but you're still making the same argument. Why does a 1080p get the bump in bitrate while 4K does not? That's how this particular argument always works. The best quality 1080p is indeed going to look superior to gimped 4K. And the best quality 720p is going to look superior to gimped 1080p. And the best quality DVD render is going to look superior to gimped 720p. And we can work this right down to where we might argue that the best quality VHS is superior to gimped 4K. So per that, jettison all digital options and go back to VHS???
Back before Apple rolled out the 1080pTV3, people were doing the same thing: arguing that the best quality 720p will look superior to an overly compressed 1080p. Of course it will. That wasn't an apples-to-apples comparison either. But why did what Apple did not have for sale yet have to get the disadvantaged compression in that hypothetical comparison? And so...
Why does 4K have to be gimped? Whatever advance/advantage we want to speculatively offer to improve 1080p should be applicable to 4K too. OR in other words, 4K doesn't automatically have to roll out in some inferior way in support of this argument. If we want to imagine a maxed-out 1080p source, why can't we imagine a maxed-out 4K source... or disc vs. disc or stream vs. stream... but all with the supplier of the video caring as much about the quality of video in both formats rather than arbitrarily trying to disadvantage the new before it's even come to market.
On a personal level, if you are happy with 1080p, note that 4K
I am still making the same arguement: Don't gimp 4K!
Apple sometimes launches new products in the October/November window. Would be great to launch a 4K Apple TV then alongside new Coffee Lake MacBook Pros and a spec bump for the iPod.
And yet you still don't "own" the movie - only the ability to watch it.
But when your disc rots out you can use it as a great coaster!
That's right. We as consumers doesn't own the rights to the content- music, movie, or otherwise. We're merely paying for access to the medium on which it's stored, to consume the content as we please.
Agreed!
That's why I'm fine with digital movies. Yes, physical media is cool, but realistically, it has a shelf life as well.
Physical formats can eventually be phased out too (like VHS, cassettes, etc.).
AppleTV and 4k/24fps support, you have to Cue to see it happen...
Problem with 4K though is that a lot of the cheaper "4K" TVs are more of a faux-4K with an extra white pixel.
Other issue is bandwidth caps on home internet... Comcast just imposed theirs pretty much nationwide back around November. Others are sure to follow, if they haven't already.
Other issue is bandwidth caps on home internet... Comcast just imposed theirs pretty much nationwide back around November. Others are sure to follow, if they haven't already.
Wishful thinking. They didn't do that when 128 AAC upgraded to 256 AAC... and people had huge libraries of 128 AAC.
atv does not do 4k
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Nope. The extra pixel is purple and/or green. White would be silly to use.
That was a whole other deal. You paid to remove DRM as the 128bit songs had DRM in them.
Whether this is going to work is all down to price. How much would you pay in 2017 for a 4K HDR iTunes film? For me, I won't pay more that £9.99 for a HD film. I'm more likely to purchase when it's £7.99 or on offer. Would I pay more that £11.99 for a 4K DHR iTunes film? No, I really don't think so. And that's probably what the majority would agree on.
I've mentioned it before, but I'm the only guy I know that 'pays' for my film downloads. And that's the problem. The young millennials are the true internet generation. The majority won't pay for a music download (before streaming
etc so how could you make them pay for a 4K HDR film? The problem is, people of NOW are doing more things with their income. They are travelling more, gymming it after work, cycling, boating, cooking - they are spending money on experiences. 1995 in the UK was the year of the home cinema dolby pro logic etc. A few years later, I couldn't think of a single person who has a home cinema now - speakers everywhere, cables YUK - no thanks. I appreciate the USA is different with higher television viewing but the rest of the world just isn't buying into TV.
It's clear, that this is why HiRes iTunes download music never appeared despite rumours from 2011 onwards. Apple are going to have to be very, very careful with their pricing. Over £11.99 and it'll go the way of laserdisc, SACD etc.
I've mentioned it before, but I'm the only guy I know that 'pays' for my film downloads. And that's the problem. The young millennials are the true internet generation. The majority won't pay for a music download (before streaming
etc so how could you make them pay for a 4K HDR film? The problem is, people of NOW are doing more things with their income. They are travelling more, gymming it after work, cycling, boating, cooking - they are spending money on experiences. 1995 in the UK was the year of the home cinema dolby pro logic etc. A few years later, I couldn't think of a single person who has a home cinema now - speakers everywhere, cables YUK - no thanks. I appreciate the USA is different with higher television viewing but the rest of the world just isn't buying into TV.It's clear, that this is why HiRes iTunes download music never appeared despite rumours from 2011 onwards. Apple are going to have to be very, very careful with their pricing. Over £11.99 and it'll go the way of laserdisc, SACD etc.
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MacRumors reader Tomas Jackson, who resides in the UK, has discovered Apple is listing select movies as 4K and HDR in iTunes purchase history.
In a discussion topic on the MacRumors forums, Jackson shared a screenshot of his iTunes purchase history with the 2016 film Passengers listed as "Movie (4K, HDR)" under the Type column. However, he said iTunes only let him download the movie in HD quality, which is either 720p or 1080p depending on the content.
Another reader mentioned that the 2016 film Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them is also listed as 4K and HDR. MacRumors rented the film to check, and we can confirm the film indeed has "4K, HDR" next to it in our iTunes purchase history. Nevertheless, iTunes lists the movie's video quality as 720p.
Not all movies are listed as "4K, HDR" at this time, and it may be region specific for now. One reader from the United States shared a screenshot of Passengers still being listed as "Film (HD)" in his iTunes purchase history. MacRumors can confirm "4K, HDR" has appeared in both the UK and Canada at least.
iTunes content remains viewable in SD and HD for the time being, but the discovery suggests Apple may be gearing up for what's around the corner -- 4K and HDR support for both iTunes content and a new Apple TV.
In February, Bloomberg reported Apple was testing a new, fifth-generation Apple TV capable of streaming 4K video, adding that it may be released as soon as this year. The report also said the new Apple TV, allegedly codenamed "J105" internally, would display more vivid colors, suggesting HDR support.
A month later, developer Firi Games provided MacRumors with evidence of a device identified as "AppleTV6,2" and running "tvOS 11.0" connecting to its arcade game Phoenix HD for Apple TV in its logs. The IP address fell within a range linked to Apple's headquarters in Cupertino, California.
The current Apple TV has a model identifier of AppleTV5,3, and Apple TV6,2 does not correspond with any released model.
It's conceivable that Apple could launch 4K content in iTunes alongside a new Apple TV with support for up to 4K video output and HDR, or high dynamic range, which allows for sharper colors and lighting. The current, fourth-generation Apple TV has a maximum 1080p video output, and no support for HDR.
Netflix has embraced 4K, offering its original series in ultra-high-resolution on compatible devices. The high-end iMac models with 4K and 5K Retina displays are currently Apple's only devices that can properly display 4K content. The latest Apple TV lacks the hardware required for 4K and HDR video output.
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You must be new around here, Apple rarely has been the first for technology.
Lack of 4K is now why I'm heavily invested in Amazon with their awesome Fire TV. Fire TV is my go to streaming device and my Apple TV hasn't been fired up for over 6 months.
I absolutely hate Netflix and their movie selections. I have about 8 more months on my two years free from buying two Android phones and once that ends, I'm canceling forever.
I like buying movies on iTunes. It's simple, fast and I get what I want and they are always there in the cloud for me to watch on my ATV2 any time I want. They don't disappear in six months when Netflix wants them to.
phased out, only when streaming can match both the audio and video of physical media. I still cannot do streaming simply because the audio. Sure video is getting better, but compression is still very noticeable in night scenes.
