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Apple Marches in San Francisco Pride Parade
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It’s kinda a central point...
Formally the law protects everyone by class, but I don’t disagree that if at the practical test the law makes it better for minorities, so be it. One point is that in a good portion of the cases a workplace anti discrimination law would probably be somewhat useless as a company can fire an individual for virtually any reason.
I am not advocating waiting for anything, but the two things (law and landscape) go hand in hand.
Freedom of expression does not mean you get to say whatever you want in every scenario and setting. There are rules to what you can and cannot say on this forum, just like in many other private places.
So I can find instances where straight ppl *claimed* they were fired based on their sexual orientation but I cannot find a single instance where those claims were substantiated. Thus in the eyes of the law it has not happened. There are however many substantiated instances in the remaining 26 (currently) states where LGBTQ+ ppl have been fired as a result of their sexual orientation.
In the eyes of the courts it might have not been happened (I truly don’t know), but the state laws are not differentiating between the two.
Good, now make Timmy very happy and buy a maxed out Mac Pro.Cool. I'm happy to support a company that supports me
(In before the ****storm. Or maybe not before)
Foe those folks talking about pride...Should we eliminate all national celebrations? You'd support that because they are prideful right? No more Independence Day, no more Veteran's Day, no more St. Patrick's Day, no more MLK Jr. Day, no more Juneteenth, no more Easter, no more Christmas, no more county fairs, no more spelling bees, no more sports teams...These are all prideful things/events so we shouldn't have them, right?
For those talking about Christianity, have you heard of Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam? Or Atheism? Or Spiritual but not Religious? Or unaffiliated believer in a higher power? What makes you right when there are still 5.5 billion people who don't believe as you (Christians) do?
For those who think corporations don't have any business participating in things like this, you would then support rolling back the idea of corporate free speech? Corporate political donations?
For those talking about Christianity, have you heard of Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam? Or Atheism? Or Spiritual but not Religious? Or unaffiliated believer in a higher power? What makes you right when there are still 5.5 billion people who don't believe as you (Christians) do?
For those who think corporations don't have any business participating in things like this, you would then support rolling back the idea of corporate free speech? Corporate political donations?
You don't need to pray for me. Happy living in sin and abomination. Send me to "hell". I'd rather be on the **** list if it means trying in vain to change who I am. If your mindset is God's I'd rather not have anything to do with him.
You can call me whatever you want, honey
some folks call me Lola. Lol. I’m have been so touched by recent events and parades that I’m no longer sure who I am. I love it.
I respect your argument, look I have a lot of gay friends, it does not bother me. But in my opinion, companies should stay far away from supporting anything regarding what happens in the bedroom and any persons sexuality. The stance does not bother me, the issue does not bother me, I don’t like it being so “public” and marketed. That’s all I am saying.
That would be great if science was never wrong. Sadly science is wrong a lot.
Why did I gave the example? Because YOU said being gay is not natural. I asked you what your definition of natural is, but you don’t answer.
Also, why do you assume these animals can’t think, or know the difference between wrong and right? Maybe you should educate yourself a bit more and learn from the natural world. There’s plenty of studies proving you wrong.
And lastly, if you reject the Theory of Evolution, well... then good luck to you, living in your little bubble of fairy tales.
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You’re missing the point. Pride is NOT about what happens in the bedroom. And it’s not being marketed. Because that term implies somebody wants to sell you something.
Well, for all but humans and some monkeys, sex happens for procreation, ensuring the survival of the species. So having sex with the same as you means the species would not survive. Hence not being natural.
Look no further than Dogs and Cats. Only interested in sex when the female is in heat.
Sure, science evolves and corrects itself along the way when we learn more about something. It’s not perfect, but it’s the best we have to understand our world, to cure disease, to bring new technologies, to improve our lives, and to advance as a society. What’s your alternative?
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No one at APPL gives a rats what I care about, but you are saying that I can't decide what concerns me or doesn't as a shareholder? What an asinine statement. I care about the decisions of every company I hold shares in (for AAPL it's certainly a "few" more than 11 - how many do you own?) but the only one I have any say in in my own.
But I gave you examples that it does happen in nature. Many species others than humans and apes have plenty of sex for other reasons than procreation: to establish group dominance, to practice, to reduce tension, to create bonds and social structure, to avoid war, to have fun, when there aren’t enough females, etc.
So, it is natural. What’s so difficult to understand about that? You think animals only have sex to procreate, but you’re wrong.
Yup its the best we've got but many tout it as infallible and always right. It changes along the way as you noted. That's why when people say "the science is settled" for things I tend to laugh. For most things it's not and far from it.
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Links please.
You seem to be thinking more about what queer people do in the bedroom than many—likely most—queer people do when a Pride parade, or the existence of queer people, is brought up.
They’ve basically always been afforded the same rights. I am a straight man but I could never marry a man. Even when certain sex acts where prohibited it applied to everyone. When it comes to job discrimination laws we live in a world where being gay now is a diversity bonus point. So the tables are turned and they are the ones benefiting from discrimination.
There’s plenty of research papers: “According to Bagemihl (1999), same-sex behavior (comprising courtship, sexual, pair-bonding, and parental activities) has been documented in over 450 species of animals worldwide.”
Now, I do want to point out there are some fallacies to watch out for when comparing same-sex behaviour in animals and humans. I just brought up the point because some idiot earlier in this thread claimed “it’s not natural”. Whatever that means.
Nah it’s not the same thing. Tim Cook IS A GAY, while Microsoft/Google CEOs aren’t. That makes apple gay-tech while google/Microsoft are not
Here you go. Now you can buy one:
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/...1fd3f289b31911654bcfdf2affdffb827784fa3bca70a
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I don't like commercials with straight people constantly on my TV kissing and being "public" and marketed on billboards, etc either.
Why would you bring up the point that you as a straight man could never marry a man? That’s like pointing out the grass is green and the sky is blue.
I assume you’re a white heterosexual male, the most privileged category of all humans. In that case, it’s a bit ironic to complain about job discrimination laws that were put into place because many groups are discriminated against on the work floor based on skin colour, gender, sexuality, religion, ... while you are part of a group that is not underrepresented.
Now, do we need the best person for the job? Yes of course. But if two candidates are equally good for a position, and one is a minority, I wholeheartedly support any rule that prefers that candidate.