Apple Marches in San Francisco Pride Parade

[bpeeps]

No. The other 11 months are normal months, for everyone. Just like the bar or pub around the corner isn't a "straight" pub or bar, it's a normal pub or bar, for everyone. As it should be.

Straight is the default though, so technically all bars that aren't gay ones are straight. And until I don't get stared at in "normal" bars, threatened, mocked or called slurs, I will frequent gay bars. The day LGBT people don't fear for their lives by simply holding their partner's hand will be the day we no longer need gay spaces.

 

[Veinticinco]

Maybe he wanted to wait until he was CEO, so that he wouldn't be as likely to get thrown off a building for being gay, like they do in the Middle East and communist counties.

Finally, a reply quoting my original question that almost doesn't miss the point. Well apart from the nonsense about Middle East and buildings...

Ignoring that second bit then, Cook became CEO in 2011, and was practically COO from 2007. Sure I accept he could just be a "private person" but here's someone who was in a position of power, extremely secure in their professional life, and living in one of the most liberal pro-LGBT cities in the world, someone who could have really set an example to others living in fear, without risking anything.

My point was really "what took him so long"?

 

[eroslws]

Finally, a reply quoting my original question that almost doesn't miss the point. Cook became CEO in 2011, and was practically COO from 2007. Sure I accept he could just be a "private person" but here's someone who was in a position of power, extremely secure in their professional life, and living in one of the most liberal pro-LGBT cities in the world, someone who could have really set an example to others living in fear, without risking anything. My genuine question was really "what took him so long"?

Dude's from Alabama and went to Auburn and Duke. I'm gonna say his experience of his first 30 years of life? But again, I'm not sure what you're implying with that question or why it matters...

 

[imola.zhp]

This is incorrect, or at least misleading.
In those States that allow gays to be fired there is no protection for gender and/or sexual orientation at all. In other words, a straight individual can be fired for being straight. The law (or lack thereof) does not favor one orientation over another.

Yes, but when was the last time you saw a news article about a straight person being fired for their sexual orientation?
I'll wait...

 

[Wando64]

... Human from more than 1000s of years are straight men and women. Only in the latest decades people started to think that they are not in the correct body...

How about you study some history, classic literature and/or philosophy before making inane assumptions.
Same sex relationship used to be the norm, whereas homophobia is a much more recent phenomena.

This thread is unbelievable.
I am despairing, and I am straight...

 

[lostngone]

Straight is the default though, so technically all bars that aren't gay ones are straight. And until I don't get stared at in "normal" bars, threatened, mocked or called slurs, I will frequent gay bars. The day LGBT people don't fear for their lives by simply holding their partner's hand will be the day we no longer need gay spaces.

"gay space"??? Do the known laws physics apply there?

But seriously I know plenty of bars that are not gay or straight as you have defined it. I am sure you will find some bigoted bar owner that promotes hatred as an example but to say all bars that are not stereotypically "gay" are somehow "straight" is just silly.

 

[Veinticinco]

Dude's from Alabama and went to Auburn and Duke. I'm gonna say his experience of his first 30 years of life? But again, I'm not sure what you're implying with that question or why it matters...

Now, see that's a fair point. Thanks for highlighting it.

 

[bpeeps]

THIS.

As a somewhat conservative straight guy, I RARELY say anything in these topical areas, but something happened last year around this time that created a check point for me...

I live in Austin and work as an engineer. On the weekends, I drive Uber / Lyft / and Ride Austin (the best one if you visit here). Not long after our Pride parade last year, I picked up a very sharp business man and thought as I pulled up "either this guy stepped straight out of a GQ shoot, or he's gay".

(Yes, it was a stereotypical thing to think. I am guilty. Sorry!)

He happened to be gay and cool as heck. We talked about our jobs and what we were doing that day and he mentioned getting dinner with his husband. Perfectly normal tone, and our conversation continued without a beat. Eventually, we talked about the traffic mess the previous weekend due to the parade, and I asked him if he had participated in the recent Pride events...

His response was almost visceral. He made it VERY clear that in he and his husbands opinion, the Supreme Court had addressed the rights they most coveted in 2015 and that it was time to focus on being equal members of society and not continuing to advertise for or demand something they already have.

I agree.

Marriage equality is a huge first step in the progression of gay rights, but we are far from being equal members of society. But the simple fact of the matter is, marriage equality does not address the discrimination gay men and women face in their everyday lives.

When parents stop kicking their kids out of the house for coming out, we'll be equal. When gay men and women don't have to continuously come out to every single person they meet in the course of their life, we'll be equal. When companies can't fire you from your job for being gay, we'll be equal. When people aren't being murdered and locked up in countries like Russia and the UAE simply for being gay, we'll be equal. When gay couples aren't afraid to walk down the street holding hands, we'll be equal. When two men sharing a quick kiss like a good number of straight people do in public don't have to fear retaliation, we'll be equal. When people don't have to move from extremely conservative states to liberal ones just to enjoy their life, we'll be equal.

What one gay man feels certainly is representative of the whole. And since you seem to be very open minded, I hope you meet someone who can personally share why pride parades, public support, and allies are still very much something we need in 2019.

 

[yaxomoxay]

Yes, but when was the last time you saw a news article about a straight person being fired for their sexual orientation?
I'll wait...

It has happened, google it.
At any rate I was not replying on how many times it happened, but just to the formal and legal point that sexual orientation is not protected for anyone in some states. My reply was not related to cultural norms.

 

[iReality85]

I'm a Christian and I'm more offended by the prideful behavior than I am about their lifestyle. Pride isn't a good trait. Be it proud about your foot size, hair color, skin color (any color) or weight, it's annoying to tell everyone about how PROUD you are of something you have no control over for no reason. Imagine walking around touting how awesome you are for having longer second toes than your big toes? It's obnoxious AF and nobody likes it. I want a flag for my rhythmic movement disorder! I demand it... I was made fun of at camps because of my rocking at night. People NEED to know how proud I am of my RMD....

When you say "I'm more offended by the prideful behavior than I am about their lifestyle" you show that you don't accurately understand what gay pride is or why gay people display pride. Gays have been told repeatedly that they should to be ashamed of who they are. To be ashamed of yourself is the exact opposite of being proud of yourself; gay pride is a direct result of the derogatory, discriminatory, and in some cases violent actions that gays were subjected to during the 70s and 80s by people who disagreed with who they are and their lifestyle.

 

[R2FX]

alright, alright, alright....so Pride attendce YES, but making his way to ID studio is NO NO

nice priorities Timmy

 

[jhwalker]

Not even close to being the same.

It's EXACTLY the same; i.e., it's a genetic variation that occurs in approximately the same percentage of people worldwide. Like left-handedness, or being red-headed.

 

[gbc204]

Ah, very nice then. Although that month doesn’t really get the daily recognition it deserves.
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Does it have to be? I’m pointing out things that are worthy of more appreciation than they currently receive. That’s all.

 

[bpeeps]

TBH, I don't care about the Pride Parades any more than I care about the Irish-American Parade or any other parade. I am not a fan of the current gender issues as I am a believer gender and sexuality are separate things and gender is biology and not negotiable. I don't care what you identify with, what potty you use is purely a hardware issue. I've had close friends that were gay and monogamous for many decades and it's a crime that they were never married before one of them passed away. I actually see the current circus around gender issues to be detrimental to the cause, because I do believe that there is a good bit being done for attention, shock value, fame, etc.

All that said, this thread is about Apple's participation. As a shareholder it does bother me that they participate in this just as it would if they sponsored the NRA convention (yes I'm an NRA supporter - big surprise). It just doesn't have anything to do with making and selling their products and I am one that wishes corporations would stay out of politics.

I enjoy how people in this sub label themselves as a shareholder as if holding eleven shares of Apple stock holds any weight. So self important.

 

[lunarworks]

I'm a Christian and I'm more offended by the prideful behavior than I am about their lifestyle. Pride isn't a good trait.

“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

- Matthew 6:5-6

That one certainly held up well.

 

[NufSaid]

The reason rainbows fly for an entire month is to make sure differing viewpoints are silenced.

Do you think for one minute that there is a tolerance for someone who thinks marriage is between a man and a woman (the view strictly held by virtually every politician until soon before the Supreme Court ruling.)

This is the intolerance parade to remind those who dare to think differently that you are outnumbered.

 

[jhwalker]

This is incorrect, or at least misleading.
In those States that allow gays to be fired there is no protection for gender and/or sexual orientation at all. In other words, a straight individual can be fired for being straight. The law (or lack thereof) does not favor one orientation over another.

That's disingenuous, at the very least. NO ONE is fired for being straight - likewise beat up, spit upon in the streets, denied medical care or visitation rights, etc.

 

[yaxomoxay]

Same sex relationship used to be the norm

That it was the norm is probably a bit too strong of a statement, but in certain cases it was socially acceptable. If my memory of classical studies doesn't fail me, Aristotle was against it big time.
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NO ONE is fired for being straight

Some cases reached the courts. Very difficult to prove (as it would be for gays), but saying no one is certainly incorrect.

likewise beat up, spit upon in the streets, denied medical care or visitation rights, etc.

Again, I replied to a post that said that in some states you can be fired from being gay. My only statement - which is undeniable - is that in the same states there is no sexual orientation protection so you can be fired from being gay, bisex, straight or whatever. The fact that it happens more on one side than the other (or even entirely on one side) has nothing to do with my reply.

 

[Santiago]

when is straight month? JK

It's the same month that Britain celebrates its Independence Day from an oppressive foreign colonizer.

 

[lunarworks]

The reason rainbows fly for an entire month is to make sure differing viewpoints are silenced.

Do you think for one minute that there is a tolerance for someone who thinks marriage is between a man and a woman (the view strictly held by virtually every politician until soon before the Supreme Court ruling.)

This is the intolerance parade to remind those who dare to think differently that you are outnumbered.

"They're silencing my opinion that they should stay out of my sight and be silent!"

 

[294307]

Never! We are nobody here. LGBRTSBLABLABLA (I always get so confused how to spell it) is an only one-way street man.

It's LGBTIQCAPGNGFNBA. Yes, even as a gay guy, I find it as pathetic as you do. Along with gay pride. Hey, did you know Facebook has 71 genders you can choose from?

I refuse to go to gay pride because it's an identitarianism march, nothing more. A lot of the people that go to these events like to show you just how gay they are by staring at the world half naked with lipstick on their face, as if it's normal. Unfortunately, all they demonstrate is how out of shape, unattractive and mentally incapacitated they are.

And before the lefties start with their chronic outrage culture: I'm gay and I don't care about your feelings.

 

[partsofspeech]

I'd like to see Armed Forces Appreciation Month; also I'd like to see Emergency Services Appreciation Month.

I like to have a angry Mac user Day. Just an hour would be fine. We have real work to do.

 

[BigDO]

It's amazing we have a month for this but only a day for vets. That's tell of who we are as a society right now. SMFH

I'd much rather support and celebrate people marching against oppression and discrimination, than bloodthirsty mercenaries invading random places for political gain.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Cool of Apple I say. For anybody questioning why there are Pride parades? Just read the odd comment here and understand it still gets far too much criticism. The very reason this thread has to be put into PRSI means this sort of event is important.

My friend would always say that I'm using gay-tech when he discovers that I got a new Apple device.. Looks like he isn't wrong after all

Just tell your mate that you enjoy it and to ask his mummy and daddy for an iPhone too. I assume he’s at school?

 

[Planey28]

Nobody is getting away with murder by killing gays. No law enforcement is winking at hate towards gays like they are winking at AntiFa in Portland. It's 2019. Get out of here with your 1989 era talking points.

Lmao what? You can easily find examples of LGBTQ+ murder in a minute.

Educate yourself.