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Say what? The Switch uses an X1. It’s inferior to Apple processors by a long shot. I’m not sure why you’re using the argument “it can play x or y game” as any kind of counter to my claims about the speed of the X1 processor.

It doesn’t matter what you consider, the X1 is an inferior (and older) processor.

And yet you have no proof of what you claim as I said. We are talking games here, not photo editing or multitasking.
 
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And yet you have no proof of what you claim as I said. We are talking games here, not photo editing or multitasking.

I’m not sure why you’re having trouble comprehending this. Processors can be tested and their results quantified. The proof is in the countless benchmarks and tests that have been done on the Tegra X1 over the years.

The Radeon Vega 56 is just as fast as the new Nvidia 2080i, BTW.
 
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Say what? The Switch uses an X1. It’s inferior to Apple processors by a long shot. I’m not sure why you’re using the argument “it can play x or y game” as any kind of counter to my claims about the speed of the X1 processor.

It doesn’t matter what you consider, the X1 is an inferior (and older) processor.

You know how Apple fans love to claim that iOS is so efficient it runs better with 3 GB RAM than Android phones can with 8 GB?

Well the Switch is far more efficient for games than iOS and still uses 4 GB

iOS devices have no chance to compete
 
You know how Apple fans love to claim that iOS is so efficient it runs better with 3 GB than Android phones can with 8 GB?

Well the switch is far more efficient than iOS for games and still uses 4 GB

iOS devices have no chance to compete

Irrelevant. You can’t get blood from a stone. It doesn’t matter how “efficient” the Switch software might be - it can’t magically make the GPU render more pixels or the CPU crunch numbers faster than it’s capable of.

Benchmarks are designed to get down as close to the bare processor as possible and tests its capabilities regardless of the OS. People like to (falsely) claim Apple processors benchmark faster because of iOS being more efficient, in some pathetic attempt to downplay Apples superiority in mobile processor design. If Android was ported over to the XS Max it would still be smoking fast because of the A12 processor.
 
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Wow I’m so confused. Reading this thread it’s like Apple Games are a failure, but App Store revenue continues to soar. According to some of the same people the only thing selling on the App Store is Games so it irrelevant. How can it be both? There seems to be a huge market of App Gamers they Apple sells too.

where have you been? did you forget that this site is machater.com? everything apple does is a failure.
 
Why would anyone want to play games with the Apple remote?

Exactly, yet Apple requires all aTV games to work with the remote. That's why it was DOA as a gaming platform.
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Why would anyone pay a monthly fee to play crappy mobile games?

This exactly. A monthly fee to play console/pc games with a decent number of AAA titles would be a hit much like the service Microsoft already runs. But mobile gaming? Why bother?
 
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Irrelevant. You can’t get blood from a stone. It doesn’t matter how “efficient” the Switch software might be - it can’t magically make the GPU render more pixels or the CPU crunch numbers faster than it’s capable of.

Benchmarks are designed to get down as close to the bare processor as possible and tests its capabilities regardless of the OS. People like to (falsely) claim Apple processors benchmark faster because of iOS being more efficient, in some pathetic attempt to downplay Apples superiority in mobile processor design. If Android was ported over to the XS Max it would still be smoking fast because of the A12 processor.

Benchmarks are worthless. They test basic calculations not useful ones. That's why iOS is slower in real life than Android despite Apple's "superiority".

Here's an Android phone beating an iPhone that cost twice as much. You can find many more examples. Apple cut corners on RAM.

 
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I’m not sure why you’re having trouble comprehending this. Processors can be tested and their results quantified. The proof is in the countless benchmarks and tests that have been done on the Tegra X1 over the years.

The Radeon Vega 56 is just as fast as the new Nvidia 2080i, BTW.

Radeon Vega 56 from 2017? BS. It’s on par with a nvidia 1070. It does not in any way challenge a 2080.

The Vega 65 can’t match a 1080ti, so the Vega 56 won’t match a 2080, which ( 2080 ) benchmarks around the same performance of the 1080ti.

The Vega GPUs were extremely disappointing - lacking against the 10xx range and ran hotter.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3445-evga-gtx-1660-ti-xc-review-benchmark
 
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Benchmarks are worthless. They test basic calculations not useful ones. That's why iOS is slower in real life than Android despite Apple's "superiority".

Here's an Android phone beating an iPhone that cost twice as much. You can find many more examples. Apple cut corners on RAM.


More lies. Benchmarks are the most important way to measure performance. It's been that way almost as long as computers have existed and there was more than one to compare.

The only reason Android fans "invented" these stupid App Races (oh look - just what you linked) is because they're getting sick of having their back sides handed to them by Apple over and over. Android fans will NEVER show a device actually doing something inside an App because they always lose.


Exactly, yet Apple requires all aTV games to work with the remote. That's why it was DOA as a gaming platform.

Man are you behind the times. That was true in the beginning, but because of the backlash Apple removed that requirement and you're allowed to make games that require an actual controller. Making your game work with the Apple TV Remote is now optional.


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Radeon Vega 56 from 2017? BS. It’s on par with a nvidia 1070. It does not in any way challenge a 2080.

The Vega 65 can’t match a 1080ti, so the Vega 56 won’t match a 2080, which ( 2080 ) benchmarks around the same performance of the 1080ti.

The Vega GPUs were extremely disappointing - lacking against the 10xx range and ran hotter.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3445-evga-gtx-1660-ti-xc-review-benchmark

I was waiting for @apolloa to answer. Of course the Vega 56 is nowhere near a 2080. There are actual benchmarks and tests that prove this beyond a doubt. Just as there are benchmarks and tests that prove Apples A-Series processors are way beyond the Tegra X1 used in the Switch. I was curious how he'd reconcile using benchmarks to declare the 2080 as much faster than a Vega 56, but discount benchmarks that show the A12X is much faster than an X1.
 
Games are horrible on iOS. Most if not all the big developers over time stop updating their apps. It’s just not worth it for them.

Even with the nimbus controller the games are not nearly is fun as on a console imo.

Has anyone actually looked in the iPad App Store for a solid game lately ? There are none/

Anyone who uses iOS/Mac OS for games is the type who puts ketchup on a Hot Dog. :apple:
 
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Irrelevant. You can’t get blood from a stone. It doesn’t matter how “efficient” the Switch software might be - it can’t magically make the GPU render more pixels or the CPU crunch numbers faster than it’s capable of.

Nintendo should hire you. Guess you know more about the importance of synthetic benchmarks over real world GPU performance and building game consoles than they do.
 
Nintendo should hire you. Guess you know more about the importance of synthetic benchmarks over real world GPU performance and building game consoles than they do.

AMD should hire you. I'm sure with a little tuning and optimization you can make their Radeon video cards outperform an Nvidia 2080.

Better yet, Qualcomm or Samsung should hire you. God knows they could use the help considering how their processors are waaaay behind Apple.
 
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