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Why should I be given an adaptor because you need one? That's some wasteful logic.

Your logic makes zero sense. Giving you an adapter is giving you something that you can use, potentially use if you lose one, or give to someone else to use. For someone that needs one now they have to buy an additional adapter.

Apple is acting like we all never lose adapters and have piles of them in our homes. If that were the case then why are they selling them at all? We have all we need and there is no more need to sell them. Give them away to customers who need them.

Give me a break, its a cash grab and nothing more.
 
Why should I be given an adaptor because you need one? That's some wasteful logic.
Wouldn't call it wasteful, what's wasteful though is your attempt in trying to persuade us with your "I love the environment" statements without grasping the basics of logistics, production lines and true impacts of all other things involved that are directly related to environment, it's protection, conservation, etc ... but I don't have the crayons with today so I kindly go back to my question, how many adaptors do you think I have?
 
This is very annoying... sure I have some USB A chargers, but they are all being used in different areas of my house/office and are not in the garbage. Now I will need to buy new chargers.

If this were all about the environment, Apple would have either provided a voucher for a free adapter for those who actually needed one, to limit the distribution, or would have kept the included cable as USB A so I could practically recycle my old chargers. What's really going to happen is the new cable will get tossed in a drawer in my case.

Sure vouchers for freebies generate a rush towards them hence not a good idea.
 
Another question, so do you have to use the USB-C cable? Can't you just take your current iPhone cable and plug it into your current power adapter and charge that way? Yes it may be considerably slower.

Sure thing you can. Some just like to complain about peanuts.
 
Perhaps for those who are short of offended that some of us (or most of us, I don't know) want or need an adaptor with a device we are purchasing because we want to actually charge it ... there should be an option during purchase - include charger, don't include charger?
 
that's fine, but have the option of getting one free if you need one. to add $19 on top of your phone purchase is ridiculous.

Getting it for free is almost as bad as putting it in the box from the start. You need to not incentive users to demand every piece they don’t necessarily need.
Amazon has been doing this successfully with the kindle products for years, so it’s nice to see this taking a wider stance finally.
 
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Not a bad price for an Apple-designed product with supervised manufacturing. And with loads of regulatory safety approvals. I'll buy that charger before any others.
Always with the excuses for Apple's consumer-hostile decisions aren't you? Are you in capable of ever admitting when Apple is in the wrong?
 
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Getting it for free is almost as bad as putting it in the box from the start. You need to not incentive users to demand every piece they don’t necessarily need.
Amazon has been doing this successfully with the kindle products for years, so it’s nice to see this taking a wider stance finally.

But they are using an incentive for users to want/get a new brick by including a type-c to lightning cable. Yes doing this the way they have is better for the environment but it’s also a ploy to get people to buy a new brick or a MagSafe charger. Clever marketing to be fair
 
Getting it for free is almost as bad as putting it in the box from the start. You need to not incentive users to demand every piece they don’t necessarily need.
Amazon has been doing this successfully with the kindle products for years, so it’s nice to see this taking a wider stance finally.

You’ve got to be kidding me. If Apple was so environmentally conscious they would stop selling the charger all together. Telling us “we care too much about the environment to manufacture these. If you need one please purchase one from the many, many manufacturers that supply them.”

Its a complete joke.
 
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But they are using an incentive for users to want/get a new brick by including a type-c to lightning cable. Yes doing this the way they have is better for the environment but it’s also a ploy to get people to buy a new brick or a MagSafe charger. Clever marketing to be fair

This sums it up nicely. “We are removing the charger from the box because we are launching a new wireless charger.”

I would bet money that they flirted the idea of getting rid of the cable too.
 
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Garmin makes devices that cost as much as a phone, and they don't include the charging brick. If you're spending $1500 on a phone, you're probably an adult who can figure out how to best satisfy your charging needs. No point in giving others something they don't need just because some people might want the charger. It's wasteful and there's a vibrant market for chargers better than what Apple offers anyway, let the user choose what works best for them.
Guess that makes Garmin just as crappy as Apple to do the same thing to their customers too then huh? Certainly doesn't make it ok.
 
And for all of the environment defenders in here, please explain to me why I all of a sudden have a multitude of usb-c chargers for my iPhone. I find it curious that every single iPhone ever has had a standard USB-A connection. And then magically, the year Apple removes the charging brick, they include a usb-c charging cable?

Can someone please explain that to me? Where are all of these usb-c iPhone chargers Apple claims we all have lying around. They never in their history Included one for the iPhone.

Ohhhhhh, its so people will purchase the $19 usb-c brick because they’ll need it when they walk out of the store.

Where are my enviro people who can explain. Go ahead, I’ll wait.
 
Wouldn't call it wasteful, what's wasteful though is your attempt in trying to persuade us with your "I love the environment" statements without grasping the basics of logistics, production lines and true impacts of all other things involved that are directly related to environment, it's protection, conservation, etc ... but I don't have the crayons with today so I kindly go back to my question, how many adaptors do you think I have?

You can keep the crayons to highlight the names of the people posting. I never made any assumptions on the number of adaptors you have, that was someone else. If you do need a USB-C charger, you can get one from Apple, Anker, Aukey, RAVpower and more. They will all outlast your phone. Including chargers in every box is not better for the environment. Period. Your crayons won't change that.

Is there more Apple could do for the environment? Absolutely. Was this change primarily motivated by a desire to reduce their costs in production and shipping? Most likely. I'm not cheerleading for Apple here (part of my motivation is just dislike of their chargers tbh). I'm just happy to see an improvement over the status quo.
 
I mean at the very least could they at least give us a braided usb-c cable instead of the crappy ones they supply us with? Even Samsung does that now.
 
It would make sense if they discounted the price of the power brick on the iPhone... like if the brick is marked at $20 (and the headphones for $10), the iPhone should be marked at $669 (instead of the $699 and so on forth...) so if someone wanted the whole package... they would still be paying the $699 and getting everything included as usual. But if someone who doesn't need the accessories, they can just pay for the base price of the phone and "cable"...
 
iPhone/ Mac/ iPad user here since 3G. Not because the devices are so "magic" but because the competition does such a lacklustre job.
A few points:
1. reducing e-waste. FALSE pretence. If Apple wanted to reduce e-waste they would have adhered long time ago to a standard connector, and having failed to do that with usb-b surely they could have implemented usb-c in all their devices. Likewise their chargers were always underpowered and overpriced. On the bonus note, after batterygate, using a "non-approved" charger may very well result in poor battery lifespan or whatever else they decide to "enhance" the user experience.

1a. removing the EarPods and introducing AirPods will produce even more waste, just imagine the complex manufacturing and rare materials going in the batteries and electronics, most ending in the garbage as they quickly degrade in 2-3 years or on the subway tracks…

2. reducing cost. FALSE. it is spelled reducing PROFIT. which is a big NO NO in Apple world; well within their right of course but please stop believing all the BS reasonings being fed to you by the shovel.

So, they are not reducing waste! They are adamant at maintaining profits high. One charging standard and cable would have reduced waste.
Now more people will buy 3rd party chargers that are produced with less efficiency and more waste, then they will find out that the chargers don’t work well, or they breakdown and will reach the landfill as well.

How are the hundred of millions of 5W (packed until recently) chargers still reasonably useful in 2020 to charge a new generation iPhone?
Right. If Apple started including a USB-C charger with the iPhone X...a lot more people would have an extra (relevant) charger. It is Apple’s fault they’ve been cheap, and kept putting that 5W charger in the box.
 
And for all of the environment defenders in here, please explain to me why I all of a sudden have a multitude of usb-c chargers for my iPhone. I find it curious that every single iPhone ever has had a standard USB-A connection. And then magically, the year Apple removes the charging brick, they include a usb-c charging cable?

Can someone please explain that to me? Where are all of these usb-c iPhone chargers Apple claims we all have lying around. They never in their history Included one for the iPhone.

Ohhhhhh, its so people will purchase the $19 usb-c brick because they’ll need it when they walk out of the store.

Where are my enviro people who can explain. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

You misunderstand something, a few things actually. First of all, Apple included the USB-C adaptor with the iPhone 11 Pro last year, so you're wrong that "They never in their history Included one for the iPhone." Secondly, Apple sells a lot of devices with USB-C power adaptors. Users who have a recent Macbook or iPad Pro will have a USB-C power adaptor, so will many android switchers, or people who own other non-Apple USB-C devices. Most new windows laptops have a USB-C charging port too. Point being: despite there being less USB-C adaptors than USB-A there are still a lot of them, and many people don't need another. Lastly, for those living exclusively in a USB-A to lightning world, your existing adaptors and cables still work...

Now to the meat of your argument. Apple's intentions. You're right, Apple did it for profit. What's your point though? Can a move for profit not be good for the environment as well? My suggestion to anyone that wants a new charger would be to shop around for the one that best fits your needs. If you think Apple is ripping you off on the charger, send your $19 to another company. The chargers Apple sells are not at all special. If the price of the phone is too high for your liking without a charger, don't buy it. Longer upgrade cycles are better for the environment too.

In summary. Many people have usb-c adapters. Many don't, but their existing lighting cables and usb-A chargers still work. Some might need a new charger, but they don't need to buy it from Apple. Apple absolutely did it for profit, but it is also good for the environment. The world is nuanced, but it seems you just don't want to pay for a USB-C charger, and somehow that's the "enviro peoples" fault.
 
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Or you can think of it as the iPhone costing $19 less than it otherwise would.

There’s always two sides to every coin.
*There are

It actually costs $30 more. A couple carriers are offering a discount.

PSA: Willful ignorance should be declared a health crisis.
 
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