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Um, that subsidized $200 iPhone also featured ~$20 more in monthly plan cost from your carrier. Over the course of 24 months, you would have paid $680 for a $649 iPhone 5 (and even more if you kept it beyond two years at the pace of $20/month).

The new lease plans are way better. It's the price of the phone divided by 24 months with no interest. Your original comment acts like the iPhone 5 only cost you $200. It did not.

Yeah, way better. I'd love to pay for a device in full, and then have to give it back before I got my next one, which I'd then have to continue paying for and so on...
 
Get a case # by chance? I called them 3 times and all 3 times they said they will do a hard inquiry for all customers. I've made every payment on time and in full (I have auto-pay enabled). Would love to find out if this is not true and see something in writing. It makes sense for them to do a new credit check on what they consider to be a new loan.
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That is not correct. I am on the iPhone Upgrade Program currently and don't have to pay an extra $20 / month to Verizon.
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My thoughts on the new iPhones:

Under the iPhone Upgrade Program, the iPhone X is $15 more per month than my 128 GB iPhone 7 Plus. The iPhone 8 Plus is only $4 more per month. The iPhone X gains 0.3" of screen space (with a portion or notch of the screen completely cut out in videos and pictures). The iPhone X loses the well-established Touch ID, and replaces it with Face ID which Apple couldn't even get to work in their Keynote, and your family members, especially twins, can easily unlock your phone. Your iPhone X could also be unlocked if someone takes your phone from you and points it at your face. Both new iPhones get the new A11 Bionic Chip. The iPhone X gets 57 more PPI than the iPhone 8 Plus, but has the same screen brightness, which is less than half that of top competitors such as the Samsung Galaxy S8, Note 8, and LG V30. It's unlikely those 57 PPI extra on the iPhone X will really make that much of a noticeable difference. Both new phones will have True Tone displays. Both new iPhones will have the same f/1.8 aperture on the main wide-angle camera. Both new iPhones can record video with the same specs, including slow-motion video. Both new iPhones get the new Portrait Lighting mode. Both new iPhones get Bluetooth 5.0. Both new iPhones have fast-charing and Qi Wireless Charging. Most importantly, the iPhone 8 Plus has BETTER battery life than the iPhone X!

So where does the iPhone X really start to take over on features that actually matter? It has a smaller form factor by height and width, making it easier to hold and use in one hand. The iPhone X has a better f/2.4 aperture on the telephoto camera compared to the f/2.8 aperture on the iPhone 8 Plus. Not sure that 0.4 is that significant of a difference, but comparing the two in testing will tell. The iPhone X gets Optical Image Stabilization on that telephoto camera. The iPhone X can make Animojis. You're lying to yourself if you say you will actually use that more than once. And that's about it. I'm not at all convinced that those bumps on the X over the 8 Plus are worth an extra $11 more per month, losing battery life, and losing Touch ID.

Let me know your thoughts.

Good thinking. Also, it's $250 difference between the 8x and 8+ base models & applecare (plus tax on that $250).

I am debating the 8+ or the X. The 8+ is the phone to get for the old models as the 7+ is essentially the same price as the 8+ (7+ 32gb is too small so would to upgrade to the 129gb).

Another thing, there is no way the 8X doesnt have bugs and issues that apple has to work out. You also avoid all those hassles and maybe the Face ID experiment will die and touchID back in the display in 2018?
 
The bad thing is that every year under the iPhone Upgrade Program, there will be a HARD credit check on you. I am seeking advice on how to best upgrade from iPhone 7 Plus 128 GB Verizon to iPhone 8 Plus 256 GB Verizon. I am currently on the iPhone Upgrade Program, but was unaware I would be subject to an annual hard credit check every year under that Upgrade Program. The Verizon Device Payment Plan with AppleCare+ offers the exact same agreement for the exact same price without the annual hard credit check. I would like to switch to this plan, but Apple will not pay off my outstanding balance on my Citizens One loan if I do so. Instead, they would give me an Apple Store credit for the trade-in value. This value is less than the outstanding balance on the loan. So I am faced with paying the difference (approx. $75), or having a hard credit check. What should I do? Are there other options?

Pay off the loan, sell the phone.
 
Yeah, way better. I'd love to pay for a device in full, and then have to give it back before I got my next one, which I'd then have to continue paying for and so on...
That's not how it works... if you pay for it in full, you own it and don't have to give it back. If you trade it in after 1 year, you've only paid for half of it and trade it in to pay off the rest of your loan (it would be the equivalent to paying full price and then selling it for half price after 1 year)- you have to factor in the phones worth with your remaining loan balance to decide if its worth trading in or paying off loan and selling yourself. Half value isn't too bad (it's actually good when comparing to typical trade in values).. you might be able to make an extra 100 selling yourself but there's also the convenience factor..

It's not really a lease. It's a loan with a trade in/upgrade option
 
That's correct. But see my comment on why the iPhone Upgrade Program is terrible. They run a hard inquiry every year on their customers. It's BS in my opinion. Verizon offers the same service with AppleCare+ for the same price but does not do a credit check every year...
Every single purchase in an Apple Store sends up red flags to all credit card companies and banks. I get fraudulent alerts every time I make a purchase at Apple Stores because they have a huge rate of fraudulent purchases using stolen cards and IDs. It's a form of money laundering since Apple products are valuable like gold or another form of currency.

After the Experia and Equifax breaches, I do not use any credit check services unless I'm forced to when buying a house. It's not worth engaging with those companies voluntarily since they don't respect our security.

I think this iPhone Upgrade Program is just a test for something much larger. I'm predicting an Apple Loyalty Card someday in the near future that gets small discounts or points on purchases and also guarantees a place in line for future products. I would pay $100/year just for that privilege. Now all Apple has to do is repatriate their cash so they can start their own bank in the U.S.
 
That's not how it works... if you pay for it in full, you own it and don't have to give it back. If you trade it in after 1 year, you've only paid for half of it and trade it in to pay off the rest of your loan (it would be the equivalent to paying full price and then selling it for half price after 1 year)- you have to factor in the phones worth with your remaining loan balance to decide if its worth trading in or paying off loan and selling yourself. Half value isn't too bad (it's actually good when comparing to typical trade in values).. you might be able to make an extra 100 selling yourself but there's also the convenience factor.

If you upgrade yearly the upgrade programs, whether from a carrier or apple directly, are definitely the way to go. The second hand market for phones has tanked. I remember getting ~$550 for a year old iphone.
 
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What gets me is that in the UK, the 64GB iPhone X is £56.45 compared to $49.91 in the USA. I've said it before and I'll say it again - Apple are definitely ripping Brits off!

Actually that's cheap. With the pound being worthabout 32% more than the dollar, right now. A true comparative price for Brits should be $65.88 compared to the US $49.91..
 
What gets me is that in the UK, the 64GB iPhone X is £56.45 compared to $49.91 in the USA. I've said it before and I'll say it again - Apple are definitely ripping Brits off!

Not only the Brits...

In Holland it will cost € 1159. Excluding VAT that is € 957 or $ 1130... 13% more expensive (excluding taxes).

But then again, it has been like this for years. A few years ago I bought my MacBook Pro in the USD including all taxes for around € 400 less than in Holland...
 
Can anyone come up with a selling point for upgrading? I have a 6S+ that's still working fine and suits my needs and will be paid off in 6 months or so. Unless they toss some kind of incentive my way on a 6 trade in - I don't see it. Why buy an 8 when its not that much more for an X? Why even spend the money in the first place?
 
Probably just going to use my 6s+ for another year since it's paid for and look for a used 8+ next year when the 8s comes out.

The utility of a smartphone has kind of maxed out with me. The only real draw is the improved camera, but that's not enough to spend $800 on a 8+.

A $1000 iphone X is a total non starter for me. But I see why people are in to it.
 
There is this image floating around the internet. I think, there is still hope for the ones, who don't want phablets.
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Can anyone come up with a selling point for upgrading? I have a 6S+ that's still working fine and suits my needs and will be paid off in 6 months or so. Unless they toss some kind of incentive my way on a 6 trade in - I don't see it. Why buy an 8 when its not that much more for an X? Why even spend the money in the first place?


I'm of the same thought. I just cant see what the point would be to upgrading, expect for the camera. Sure, there might be some perceivable speed improvements when editing photos, or loading apps, but for email, internet, FB, reddit, and a few games there's really no reason.
 
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Ridiculous pricing. I long miss the days of subsidized iPhones. I'm still using my iPhone 5 which I paid $200 for. It has a cracked screen now and not the best battery, but in retrospect, it was the steal of a lifetime.

You do realize you paid $200 on a 2-year Carrier based contract right? Do the math, in those 2 years, you paid thousands of dollars for that phone.
 
i went to the app to get pre-approved and it says T-Mobile requires you to go into a store for approval. WTF??!!?? all the other carriers can do it online - what's wrong with T-Mobile - I thought they were supposed to be the progressive up-to-date carrier - guess not.

And - i'm going to be on vacation the weekend it comes out - will apple hold it for me until i get back (that Sunday)?
 
Get a case # by chance? I called them 3 times and all 3 times they said they will do a hard inquiry for all customers. I've made every payment on time and in full (I have auto-pay enabled). Would love to find out if this is not true and see something in writing. It makes sense for them to do a new credit check on what they consider to be a new loan.
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That is not correct. I am on the iPhone Upgrade Program currently and don't have to pay an extra $20 / month to Verizon.
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My thoughts on the new iPhones:

Under the iPhone Upgrade Program, the iPhone X is $15 more per month than my 128 GB iPhone 7 Plus. The iPhone 8 Plus is only $4 more per month. The iPhone X gains 0.3" of screen space (with a portion or notch of the screen completely cut out in videos and pictures). The iPhone X loses the well-established Touch ID, and replaces it with Face ID which Apple couldn't even get to work in their Keynote, and your family members, especially twins, can easily unlock your phone. Your iPhone X could also be unlocked if someone takes your phone from you and points it at your face. Both new iPhones get the new A11 Bionic Chip. The iPhone X gets 57 more PPI than the iPhone 8 Plus, but has the same screen brightness, which is less than half that of top competitors such as the Samsung Galaxy S8, Note 8, and LG V30. It's unlikely those 57 PPI extra on the iPhone X will really make that much of a noticeable difference. Both new phones will have True Tone displays. Both new iPhones will have the same f/1.8 aperture on the main wide-angle camera. Both new iPhones can record video with the same specs, including slow-motion video. Both new iPhones get the new Portrait Lighting mode. Both new iPhones get Bluetooth 5.0. Both new iPhones have fast-charing and Qi Wireless Charging. Most importantly, the iPhone 8 Plus has BETTER battery life than the iPhone X!

So where does the iPhone X really start to take over on features that actually matter? It has a smaller form factor by height and width, making it easier to hold and use in one hand. The iPhone X has a better f/2.4 aperture on the telephoto camera compared to the f/2.8 aperture on the iPhone 8 Plus. Not sure that 0.4 is that significant of a difference, but comparing the two in testing will tell. The iPhone X gets Optical Image Stabilization on that telephoto camera. The iPhone X can make Animojis. You're lying to yourself if you say you will actually use that more than once. And that's about it. I'm not at all convinced that those bumps on the X over the 8 Plus are worth an extra $11 more per month, losing battery life, and losing Touch ID.

Let me know your thoughts.

No, didn't get a case #. If you have some time, there were many threads about this last year and it was clear no "hard inquiry" was done for returning customers.
 
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Everyone has this misconception that credit checks are a bad thing. They're not - they're a normal thing. The only time credit checks are bad are if you have lots in a short period of time.

An annual credit check will do you no harm, and chances are, if you're an existing customer who's had no problems, even if you consent to one, they probably won't run one - it costs them, and what's the point paying for it if they know you're ok already.

Saying "we'll do a credit check" is part of the process to cover their backsides if they do want to do one.
I think you need to review your understanding about hard credit checks.

There are two kinds of credit checks:
1. soft which have no impact (and not relayed to inquirers, other than you), and
2. hard which do have an impact on your score.

Hard credit check attributes:
1. [Persistent] They stay with you for two years.
2. [Multiplier] Number and frequency do impact, and lower, your score.
3. [Mandatory] Any financing request (car, credit card application, credit purchase) forces a hard credit check -- no exceptions.

Why? The number and frequency of hard checks on record indicate that you may be trying to live precariously. It scares off the finance companies, even though you may be paying on time, and penalizes you by increasing their perceived risk.

It is not a good thing unless you cannot resist -- obviously.
 
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That's not how it works... if you pay for it in full, you own it and don't have to give it back. If you trade it in after 1 year, you've only paid for half of it and trade it in to pay off the rest of your loan (it would be the equivalent to paying full price and then selling it for half price after 1 year)- you have to factor in the phones worth with your remaining loan balance to decide if its worth trading in or paying off loan and selling yourself. Half value isn't too bad (it's actually good when comparing to typical trade in values).. you might be able to make an extra 100 selling yourself but there's also the convenience factor..

It's not really a lease. It's a loan with a trade in/upgrade option

Thanks for explaining - that makes a bit more sense. Still not sure it's that great. I guess you pay at least the same (or more) then the value of the phone and AppleCare before you actually get to keep the thing, in exchange for the added value option of trading up after 12minths.
 
To answer your first question - From what i've seen it looks as if T-Mobile customers can add a social security number to get pre-approved ahead of pre-orders but they will still have to activate in-store. Not sure if Apple be shipping these T-Mobile IUP phones for in store pickup or directly to customers. Perhaps T-Mobile customers will be forced to schedule an in-store appointment? Hopefully someone going through the pre-approval process for the iPhone 8 on T-Mobile can chime in here.
Can someone corroborate this? I spoke with Apple and they don't seem to know what's going on. I've left a message with my contact I have in Apple Online Store Executive Relations to see what is up so hopefully she calls me back soon.
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So I tried to go through the pre-approval process to see what it says. It says I have to use the Apple Store app on my iPhone. So I go into that, but it's locked to my iTunes account, and my iCloud and iTunes/app store accounts are separate because I have old accounts and you can't merge them. It says I have to log out of everything on my iPhone and log in with my iCloud account for iTunes/App store to be able to use the Apple Store app. But that will foul up a bunch of other stuff. This is so much BS. I really hate Apple's shopping experience. It shows I have no devices, but their help says that I just have to be logged in with iTunes stores on a device for the list to show up. I have no idea what's going on and I'm more confused now than I was before.
 
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